Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

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You didn't seem to miss Amadio or think it was unbelievable to waive him when it happened... In fact, you seemed to be in favour of it, and in favour of not even giving him the chance he got...
yup i'm too much of a GM fanboi and trusted our galaxy brain GM to make the right decisions on personal , i realized only after he was fired that he's an incompetent poser , i'll admit it's my bad and i need to not blindly support our GM's every move

but i appreciate all the hard work you did in searching my post history , too bad you didn't just ask me , i would have saved you time and told you what i thought of his play in the 3 games they gave him
 
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Honest assessment of Brad thus far has been OK. I love his demeaner and charisma. I think that he is very clearly a natural leader and someone that people respect very highly.

Signings that didn't really make sense from the beginning and are further not making sense at present day are Ryan Reaves and David Kampf extension.

Moving Lafferty was a choice that didn't make a ton of sense to me. Having Gregor and Lafferty should have always been the plan, not one over the other. This is a direct consequence from the Kampf and Reaves contracts.

Bertuzzi and Domi were good signings. I know the production wasn't there at the beginning, but I think they've both rounded into form nicely. I liked these signings at the start, and I still like them at this point. They are the exact type of players we need in April/May

Klingberg was a gamble that didn't pay off. I understand the logic, it just didn't work out. I think we can now see why that was the case given his health. Unfortunate miss, but also one that maybe could have been avoided with a bit more due diligence. Not to stressed about this signing though.

in summary, I don't think Brad has done anything to move the needle in either direction. That isn't meant as a knock. He's only been in TOR for a ~5 months. He locked in Auston to an extension, which ultimately was the biggest piece of business that was needed to get done. Now he will have to shift his focus to WIlly.

I personally never thought Kyle Dubas was the problem with this organization. In fact, I firmly believed, and still believe he could have been part of the answer. That said, I don't think Brad has done anything to this point that has made me lose confidence in him. Is my confidence in Brad as high as what my confidence was in Kyle? No. But I still think Brad has the makings of a good GM.

Time will ultimately tell. I really hope the Willy extension gets sorted with relative ease, and we start playing to the potential we have.

My final grade for Brad thus far would be: B-

Thank you. This a well thought post and I agree with almost all of it.

The only omission in this report card is that Brad thought bringing Keefe back was a good idea. When to me, if you decide to keep the core intact, why was the coach brought back as well?

Something had to change. Rolling it back should not be the go to plan.
 
Thank you. This a well thought post and I agree with almost all of it.

The only omission in this report card is that Brad thought bringing Keefe back was a good idea. When to me, if you decide to keep the core intact, why was the coach brought back as well?

Something had to change. Rolling it back should not be the go to plan.
Why would he play his coach card right away?
He keeps Keefe, and if he performs poorly, he can hire a new coach later on. If his new coach performed poorly out of the gate, Treliving is already on the hot seat.
 
"doing a great job" or "passed all the tests"

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Why would he play his coach card right away?
He keeps Keefe, and if he performs poorly, he can hire a new coach later on. If his new coach performed poorly out of the gate, Treliving is already on the hot seat.

Well, since I care about the Leaf’s and not Brad’s job security. It was either an error in judgement or a self centered decision.

Not a fan of either excuse.
 
1- chemistry alone but if youre adding the fact than outside of rielly and brodie, EVERY D from leafs top 7 had been injured. Together 50% of new player i offensive group + 71% of d group injured at any moment 1st 20 games... yes that can easily explain it
We've had new additions and injuries like this before. No, it does not explain the extent of the drop in play we've had.
the only opportunity treliving had if to get money available to help d group and more specific, leafs need as a real #2 d . He had the money but player was nkt available, to have a clear opportunity you need both.
There were many paths that Treliving could have chosen that didn't involve acquiring a #2D that would have been much preferable to what he did. His plan had little vision and fit, and many of the issues we're now experiencing were predictable as a result.
yup i'm too much of a GM fanboi and trusted our galaxy brain GM to make the right decisions on personal , i realized only after he was fired that he's an incompetent poser , i'll admit it's my bad and i need to not blindly support our GM's every move but i appreciate all the hard work you did in searching my post history , too bad you didn't just ask me , i would have saved you time and told you what i thought of the 3 games they gave him
Actually, I was there and had remembered you making a number of posts about Amadio and you having some pretty harsh criticisms of him and the person who brought him in back then, so I was quite surprised to see your post now criticizing waiving him and not keeping him. And no, it was not because you were previously "trusting our GM to make the right decisions on personnel". You had no shortage of criticisms of the GM back then, and in fact, many of the referenced statements were made in the context of specifically criticizing the GM for both signing Amadio and giving him any games. Your argument just went from Amadio is trash and the GM is to blame for signing him and giving him any games and who cares if he's waived to Amadio is awesome and the GM is to blame for waiving him and not giving him more games...
 
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Actually, I was there and had remembered you making a number of posts about Amadio and you having some pretty harsh criticisms of him and the person who brought him in back then, so I was quite surprised to see your post now criticizing waiving him and not keeping him. And no, it was not because you were previously "trusting our GM to make the right decisions on personnel". You had no shortage of criticisms of the GM back then, and in fact, many of the referenced statements were made in the context of specifically criticizing the GM for both signing Amadio and giving him any games. Your argument just went from Amadio is trash and the GM is to blame for signing him and giving him any games and who cares if he's waived to Amadio is awesome and the GM is to blame for waiving him and not giving him more games...
you were there ?

where exactly was "there" , i hope you weren't in my backyard peeping through my family room window watching me post while i was watching tv , because that would be very creepy
 
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Thank you. This a well thought post and I agree with almost all of it.

The only omission in this report card is that Brad thought bringing Keefe back was a good idea. When to me, if you decide to keep the core intact, why was the coach brought back as well?

Something had to change. Rolling it back should not be the go to plan.
This was my thought about the timing of the firing of Dubas. I mean if you feel your GM hasn't done a sufficient job, yes you should fire him. No sense holding for too long.

Whether it was too late, I think Dubas finally learned about what it means to have a complete team. The 2023 deadline to me showed he changed in his thinking, I think it goes back further than that, but the deadline really exemplified it. The moves were good and that roster should have at least made it to the Conference finals, but the stars let the team down.

People talk about loyalty, and yes he was loyal too often and for too long. But he trades away Engvall at the deadline, one of his Calder Cup Marlies. Plus, he traded away one of his own picks in Sandin, knowing he no longer fit and needed to help refill his draft capital.

Where am I going with this? A GM finally learning what kind of team is needed and not being as loyal. Fresh off a loss where he had now been burned, what 5 times? If there was any time that a cutthroat move was going to happen, it was after that. Yes, maybe like 2 years too late. But better late than never.

Bringing in an outsider, naturally, there would be the thinking of "Look at the talent. He couldn't surround them, but let me try and put my stamp on things." Treliving may have conjured up thoughts of a reset, but he may have just prolonged the reset.

Treliving has only been here a short time, so maybe within a calendar year, a lot of things will have happened, including cutthroat moves and a pivot in direction.

My biggest questioning with him though, is why make utility an afterthought? I find that odd, especially given the personnel he had in Calgary.
 
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We've had new additions and injuries like this before. No, it does not explain the extent of the drop in play we've had.

There were many paths that Treliving could have chosen that didn't involve acquiring a #2D that would have been much preferable to what he did. His plan had little vision and fit, and many of the issues we're now experiencing were predictable as a result.

Actually, I was there and had remembered you making a number of posts about Amadio and you having some pretty harsh criticisms of him and the person who brought him in back then, so I was quite surprised to see your post now criticizing waiving him and not keeping him. And no, it was not because you were previously "trusting our GM to make the right decisions on personnel". You had no shortage of criticisms of the GM back then, and in fact, many of the referenced statements were made in the context of specifically criticizing the GM for both signing Amadio and giving him any games. Your argument just went from Amadio is trash and the GM is to blame for signing him and giving him any games and who cares if he's waived to Amadio is awesome and the GM is to blame for waiving him and not giving him more games...
1-its not treliving who bring 4 ufa at trade deadline adding to the ufa already there. the decision he took was to dont overpay those player to keep them. dont paying kerfoot 3.5M to play in 4th line again, to didn't paid 4,4M on both acciari/kampf and pay a 4th line 7,9M for absolutly no good reason. didn't pay holl 3,5M to see him still fighting to keep a roster spot come playoff time

schenn i would be agree to sign him maybe 1 year not 3 for a guy who already at 34 and already one of slowest skater in NHL and would probably not be enough good in 2 or 3 seaso to still playing at NG
HL level.

spend 4,5M for a player who didn't bring a lot to leafs when he was not playing with Matthews?

2- yeah they different patch treliving should try liking signing caracter player like bertuzzi, domi, reaves, gregor

or lack of offensive ( leafs was amount worst NHL team in that category)/ transition from the D, thats what he tried with klinberg but he came back in his 4th game of regular season with pain coming from his 2 hip surgery of 2014. Even Patrick kane( a futur hall of famer) was struggling playing with that kind of injury ans even with his surgery i dont think kane will ever came back as the elite player he was and maybe the omly area he would be able to help detroit will be on PP because i dont know if he will be able to have an impact anymore at 5v5 like its actually tje case with backstrom ( who also had the same injury/surgery)
 
Thank you. This a well thought post and I agree with almost all of it.

The only omission in this report card is that Brad thought bringing Keefe back was a good idea. When to me, if you decide to keep the core intact, why was the coach brought back as well?

Something had to change. Rolling it back should not be the go to plan.
Yes I agree. I was not a fan of bringing Sheldon back either. Certainly not giving him an extension, although I am sure there were reasons behind it that we are not privy to. I never understood why it's such a faux pas to bring a coach into their last year of their deal as a "lame duck". As far as I am concerned, Sheldon had just as much to prove this season as the players. Nonetheless, he gets the security that seems to be an industry standard.

That said, I also totally understood why Brad did bring him back. As @vpasla1 alluded to, he stands nothing to gain from removing him from his duties right away. It removes one bullet from Brad's chamber. It's a bit of a chicken shit move to keep him, knowing you can always blame him later for a bad start or finish to the season, but at the same time I get it.

Like I said earlier, I think Brad has done an OK to good job thus far. We aren't winning or losing the cup with the addition/subtraction of Sam Lafferty. None of his moves thus far will significantly hurt us in the future, which is great, and I genuinely think the roster he has assembled is more suited for playoff hockey. We have a decent record on the year, and in all honestly we've largely played terrible. People may disagree, but that is usually a sign of a good team. You win games when you have your B-game. I think we all have been a bit annoyed by this team thus far, but I genuinely think they'll hit their stride shortly.

But as was the case in years past, we will only win the cup once our big boys play like dogs when the ice shrinks in May/June. Something they've failed to do on multiple occasions over the years. That said, with each passing year they have seemed to have developed a bit more of that dog. With this years supporting cast, and that continued maturation of Mo, Mitch, Auston, Will, and JT, who knows what this team can do.
 
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1-its not treliving who bring 4 ufa at trade deadline adding to the ufa already there.
Not sure what you think deadline additions last year have to do with anything.
the decision he took was to dont overpay those player to keep them.
The first decision he made was to not re-sign most of them. The second decision he made was to instead overpay worse options that didn't fit together.
You keep talking about the first decision, when everybody else is talking about the second decision and the better paths he could have taken there.
2- yeah they different patch treliving should try liking signing caracter player like bertuzzi, domi, reaves, gregor
There's nothing about them that makes them more "character" players. In fact, the "character" of some of those players has been historically questioned.
or lack of offensive ( leafs was amount worst NHL team in that category)/ transition from the D, thats what he tried with klinberg
A big part of the reason that the Leafs ranked low in offense from the defense is because we prioritize higher quality shots when possible. We try to get pucks in close around the goal and create movement there, instead of blasting pucks from the point. Even when we get shots from defense, it's often going for tips. But our offense overall was fine, so this tends to get wildly exaggerated as an issue.

Is it an area that could be addressed if Treliving wanted? Sure. But the solution was not to take out a defensive defenseman and big PKer that has historically taken a lot of our heavy matchups, and fill his spot with a broken down has been that has to be heavily sheltered because he's been one of the worst players in the league defensively for years.
 
yup i'm too much of a GM fanboi and trusted our galaxy brain GM to make the right decisions on personal , i realized only after he was fired that he's an incompetent poser , i'll admit it's my bad and i need to not blindly support our GM's every move

but i appreciate all the hard work you did in searching my post history , too bad you didn't just ask me , i would have saved you time and told you what i thought of his play in the 3 games they gave him
So instead of defending everything Dubas did now you are defending Tre by trashing Dubas. Makes sense.
 
Pizza Boy couldn't beat a 5th and 2026 3rd to a division rival for Zadorov?

Zadorov is not as good as people here have said... he is a 3rd pairing D.

People have been gushing about him here because he is big... we have a lot of size queens on this forum.
 
Zadorov is not as good as people here have said... he is a 3rd pairing D.

People have been gushing about him here because he is big... we have a lot of size queens on this forum.
I agree that he is a bottom pairing guy but I thought he brought an element we didn’t have.
That said there were rumours earlier that ownership there didn’t want the GM making any moves with Tre so who knows if we were even an option
 
I agree that he is a bottom pairing guy but I thought he brought an element we didn’t have.
That said there were rumours earlier that ownership there didn’t want the GM making any moves with Tre so who knows if we were even an option

He is just a clone of McCabe but bigger... not even sure he is better than Gio and it sounds like he is not good on his offside... just seems like a waste of picks for maybe a slightly better player than Gio.
 
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He is just a clone of McCabe but bigger... not even sure he is better than Gio and it sounds like he is not good on his offside... just seems like a waste of picks for maybe a slightly better player than Gio.
I’m certainly not going to lose any sleep over missing out on him. But I think our D needs a massive overhaul and he could have been a start.
Rielly and Liljegren would be the only 2 D we have that would be safe for me. We need to bring in multiple guys
 
"Its too hard to make a trade!"
"Hes on the phone with everybody!"

Patrik Allvin in the last few months:

Sep. 19, 2023 - Casey DeSmith for Tanner Pearson/2025 3rd round pick (VAN)
Oct. 8, 2023 - Sam Lafferty for 2024 5th round pick (VAN)
Oct. 17, 2023 - Mark Friedman/Ty Glover for Jack Rathbone/Karel Plasek
Nov. 28, 2023 - 2024 5th round pick (CHI) [Conditional] for Anthony Beauvillier
Nov. 30, 2023 - Nikita Zadorov for 2024 5th round pick (CHI) [Conditional]/2026 3rd round pick (VAN)
 
I’m certainly not going to lose any sleep over missing out on him. But I think our D needs a massive overhaul and he could have been a start.
Rielly and Liljegren would be the only 2 D we have that would be safe for me. We need to bring in multiple guys

No Klingberg and healthy hasn't even happened this year yet, would like to see that before we pay some picks for someone who may be worse than our top 6 (he's better than Timmins, but can he play RD?)
 
"Its too hard to make a trade!"
"Hes on the phone with everybody!"

Patrik Allvin in the last few months:

Sep. 19, 2023 - Casey DeSmith for Tanner Pearson/2025 3rd round pick (VAN)
Oct. 8, 2023 - Sam Lafferty for 2024 5th round pick (VAN)
Oct. 17, 2023 - Mark Friedman/Ty Glover for Jack Rathbone/Karel Plasek
Nov. 28, 2023 - 2024 5th round pick (CHI) [Conditional] for Anthony Beauvillier
Nov. 30, 2023 - Nikita Zadorov for 2024 5th round pick (CHI) [Conditional]/2026 3rd round pick (VAN)

Is the team even really that much better? And they are out 2x3rd and 2x5th
 

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