Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[leafs in five]

You can’t get unlucky and lose in the 1st round 7 years in a row. But you can certainly get lucky and win a round 1 year.

yeah it's weird but those are definitely the rules, can't argue with em

 

[thusk]

We ranked top-10 in both defensive results and goaltending last year.

The individual claimed that Treliving was handed a hand grenade, when that is the furthest thing from the truth. He was handed one of the most ideal situations you could ask for. No GM is going to have all of the perfect solutions available to them in any given offseason, but Treliving had much, much better options available to him for the secondary pieces he had to replace than what he ended up doing, and he seemed to have no understanding of how replacing a bunch of good defensive players and PKers with a collection of the worst defensive players in the league would negatively affect us.

1 one most ideal situation when half of your team didn't have a contract? sure get no chemistry will affect every part of your game. will affect you offensively, will affect you defensivly, will affect ypur pp/pk.. the only duo who had chemistry togehter was nylander- tavares, matthews-Marner rielly-brodie , gio- liljegren ...exemple Domi needed 11 game to find an instant chemistry with Robertson. Dont remembered how many gane Bertuzzi neede before find chemistry with tavares and nylander.

the fact leafs didn't had boston start was pretty predictable, so yes im pretty agree than treliving was handed a hand grenade to deal wkth especially when youre considerating matthews and nylander situation...

 

[mydnyte]

He is too young to retire.

age has nothing to do with retirement
...i needed both hips replaced by the time i was 30, and you cant play hockey with an artificial hip(s).
resurfacing is a stopgap but, you arent 'the same' afterwards ...we'll see how well Kane plays soon, but, his speed, and mobility will not be the same as they were.

 

[mydnyte]

I'd give Brad an A minus for effort and a D for results. This team is toast and re running Keefe and the soft 4 is beyond stupid.Marner is losing value by the day and soon Mathews will be untradeable unless you eat salary.The problem is the people running the team are clearly idiots.

irony is that Marner has pretty much the exact same points as last year at the same point in time when he hit 99 points.

Keefe is the problem, and always has been.
Treliving was a bad choice from day 1, and he hasnt done anything to change my mind yet.

I'm no Dumba fan, but, he's on a 1 year deal for less than Tre paid Klingberg, and has at least a teeny bit of toughness (though he's hurt now too)

 

[mydnyte]

We ranked top-10 in both defensive results and goaltending last year.

The individual claimed that Treliving was handed a hand grenade, when that is the furthest thing from the truth. He was handed one of the most ideal situations you could ask for. No GM is going to have all of the perfect solutions available to them in any given offseason, but Treliving had much, much better options available to him for the secondary pieces he had to replace than what he ended up doing, and he seemed to have no understanding of how replacing a bunch of good defensive players and PKers with a collection of the worst defensive players in the league would negatively affect us.

the Leafs play a good team defense most of the time, but, our defense was built horribly (much of that is on Dubas). Brodie should have been dealt before last season started to try to bring in someone bigger & younger, and the entire defense needed a rebuild. Reilly is our best d-man, and he doesnt instill fear in opponents on either side of the ice.
we have a defensively sound (usually) forward code, and a defense that is soft, and prone to giveaways that cannot win puck battles.
letting Holl go was a start, but, the exodus should have been all save 2 - 3 of our d-men.
This team will never win with our D core, no matter what forwards we have

 

[ToneDog]

irony is that Marner has pretty much the exact same points as last year at the same point in time when he hit 99 points.

Keefe is the problem, and always has been.
Treliving was a bad choice from day 1, and he hasnt done anything to change my mind yet.

I'm no Dumba fan, but, he's on a 1 year deal for less than Tre paid Klingberg, and has at least a teeny bit of toughness (though he's hurt now too)

Dumba is a lion compared to Klingberg.

 

[mydnyte]

Dumba is a lion compared to Klingberg.

i wasnt high on Dumba, as I see him like a less talented Reilly who throws the occasional hit, and i wanted someone bigger, but, the 'big' d-men UFA's all got hugely overpaid (Graves, Mayfield, and Soucy).

I was a huge Klingberg fan when he was in Dallas, but, he hasnt been that guy for years. ...was hopeful it was just the teams he was on, but, his mobility is gone.

 

[thusk]

the Leafs play a good team defense most of the time, but, our defense was built horribly (much of that is on Dubas). Brodie should have been dealt before last season started to try to bring in someone bigger & younger, and the entire defense needed a rebuild. Reilly is our best d-man, and he doesnt instill fear in opponents on either side of the ice.
we have a defensively sound (usually) forward code, and a defense that is soft, and prone to giveaways that cannot win puck battles.
letting Holl go was a start, but, the exodus should have been all save 2 - 3 of our d-men.
This team will never win with our D core, no matter what forwards we have

we can trash talk about brodie but last 2 season, was easily best leafs D defensive side of the puck and its not even close.. the only problem is he was not in good chair, brodie should be a #3 but had to play as #2

 

[mydnyte]

we can trash talk about brodie but last 2 season, was easily best leafs D defensive side of the puck and its not even close.. the only problem is he was not in good chair, brodie should be a #3 but had to play as #2

Brodie is 'our' best defensive d-man ...that can be said without dispute, but, i saw his decline start 2 seasons ago.
he is still a moveable asset, and I'd rather we move him and get a return, than let him walk.

...also, yes, what you said, he shouldnt be playing the #2 spot any more, but, he's also becoming much more accident prone with the puck in his own zone the past 2 seasons, and it usually results in a goal, because traditionally, when Brodie had the puck, it was considered 'safe' but, not any more.

 

[thusk]

Brodie is 'our' best defensive d-man ...that can be said without dispute, but, i saw his decline start 2 seasons ago.
he is still a moveable asset, and I'd rather we move him and get a return, than let him walk.

...also, yes, what you said, he shouldnt be playing the #2 spot any more, but, he's also becoming much more accident prone with the puck in his own zone the past 2 seasons, and it usually results in a goal, because traditionally, when Brodie had the puck, it was considered 'safe' but, not any more.

it is really a decline or just the result than last 2 season, brodie with Muzzing out had to play #2 spot unstead of #3 and we asking much more to brodie than what hes able to deal with?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

the Leafs play a good team defense most of the time, but, our defense was built horribly (much of that is on Dubas). Brodie should have been dealt before last season started to try to bring in someone bigger & younger, and the entire defense needed a rebuild. Reilly is our best d-man, and he doesnt instill fear in opponents on either side of the ice.
we have a defensively sound (usually) forward code, and a defense that is soft, and prone to giveaways that cannot win puck battles.
letting Holl go was a start, but, the exodus should have been all save 2 - 3 of our d-men.
This team will never win with our D core, no matter what forwards we have

We signed four defensive black holes. We KNEW we would be taking a significant step back defensively. Supposedly we were getting secondary scoring and toughness. Some of us openly questioned the "toughness" and suggested we were actually taking a step back there as well. What's most concerning is the secondary scoring. We are actually MORE dependent on the Big 4 than last year (thank goodness for Robertson and Knies).

Early returns aren't great (swing and a miss across three areas so far) but still early returns.

 

[Dekes For Days]

1 one most ideal situation when half of your team didn't have a contract? sure get no chemistry will affect every part of your game. will affect you offensively, will affect you defensivly, will affect ypur pp/pk.. the only duo who had chemistry togehter was nylander- tavares, matthews-Marner rielly-brodie , gio- liljegren ...exemple Domi needed 11 game to find an instant chemistry with Robertson. Dont remembered how many gane Bertuzzi neede before find chemistry with tavares and nylander.the fact leafs didn't had boston start was pretty predictable, so yes im pretty agree than treliving was handed a hand grenade to deal wkth especially when youre considerating matthews and nylander situation...

Half the team? Lol, what in the world are you talking about?
He needed to sign Bertuzzi, Domi, and Klingberg, re-sign Kampf, and accept the arbitration award for Samsonov to build a team for this year. The horror!
I'm not sure what you think the average roster turnover in the NHL is, but if you think that is an abnormal roster turnover or workload, you're in for a shock.

Treliving was handed a top tier team that was good offensively, good defensively, got good goaltending, had all core players signed, had cap space to fill available depth spots, and multiple prospects ready to fill top-9 roles on ELCs. That's the furthest you can get from a hand grenade. The problem with Bertuzzi and Domi wasn't so much chemistry as it was them playing badly and Treliving not building a collection of 12 forwards that could be effectively configured together. As you said, he had no trouble finding instant chemistry with Robertson.

the Leafs play a good team defense most of the time, but, our defense was built horribly (much of that is on Dubas). Brodie should have been dealt before last season started to try to bring in someone bigger & younger, and the entire defense needed a rebuild. Reilly is our best d-man, and he doesnt instill fear in opponents on either side of the ice.
we have a defensively sound (usually) forward code, and a defense that is soft, and prone to giveaways that cannot win puck battles.
letting Holl go was a start, but, the exodus should have been all save 2 - 3 of our d-men.
This team will never win with our D core, no matter what forwards we have

Our defense was not built horribly. Dubas built the best defensive teams the Leafs have had in the entire cap era.
It's funny how we have superstars on forward, and a bunch of people want to get rid of them to get a hardworking group of no names playing fundamentals, and yet our defense outside of Rielly had a bunch of non-flashy names with simple games and good fundamentals that got good results, and people hate it and want the superstars. Goes to show that what people really want is what they don't have.

Brodie has been a really big player for us, and was one of the best players defensively in the league last year, so no, he should not have been dealt before last season.
Winning with the defense we had was very possible. This market has always had a horrible time evaluating defensemen. People like to point at and wildly exaggerate weaknesses in our defensemen, without recognizing their strengths or their own personal perception biases. Holl is actually a great example of that. He had flaws, and the occasional glaring mistake made him a target of wrath, but he also had strengths that we're missing right now, especially on the PK.

 

[rumman]

Brodie is 'our' best defensive d-man ...that can be said without dispute, but, i saw his decline start 2 seasons ago.
he is still a moveable asset, and I'd rather we move him and get a return, than let him walk.

...also, yes, what you said, he shouldnt be playing the #2 spot any more, but, he's also becoming much more accident prone with the puck in his own zone the past 2 seasons, and it usually results in a goal, because traditionally, when Brodie had the puck, it was considered 'safe' but, not any more.

therein lies the problem............

 

[thusk]

Half the team? Lol, what in the world are you talking about?
He needed to sign Bertuzzi, Domi, and Klingberg, re-sign Kampf, and accept the arbitration award for Samsonov to build a team for this year. The horror!
I'm not sure what you think the average roster turnover in the NHL is, but if you think that is an abnormal roster turnover or workload, you're in for a shock.

Treliving was handed a top tier team that was good offensively, good defensively, got good goaltending, had all core players signed, had cap space to fill available depth spots, and multiple prospects ready to fill top-9 roles on ELCs. That's the furthest you can get from a hand grenade. The problem with Bertuzzi and Domi wasn't so much chemistry as it was them playing badly and Treliving not building a collection of 12 forwards that could be effectively configured together. As you said, he had no trouble finding instant chemistry with Robertson.

Our defense was not built horribly. Dubas built the best defensive teams the Leafs have had in the entire cap era.
It's funny how we have superstars on forward, and a bunch of people want to get rid of them to get a hardworking group of no names playing fundamentals, and yet our defense outside of Rielly had a bunch of non-flashy names with simple games and good fundamentals that got good results, and people hate it and want the superstars. Goes to show that what people really want is what they don't have.

Brodie has been a really big player for us, and was one of the best players defensively in the league last year, so no, he should not have been dealt before last season.
Winning with the defense we had was very possible. This market has always had a horrible time evaluating defensemen. People like to point at and wildly exaggerate weaknesses in our defensemen, without recognizing their strengths or their own personal perception biases. Holl is actually a great example of that. He had flaws, and the occasional glaring mistake made him a target of wrath, but he also had strengths that we're missing right now.

bertuzzi domi knies, robertson, gregor reaves, klinberg, woll

knies who only played 10 NHL game you need to consider him like a new player, same thing with robertson (15) and Woll (10) 8/20 = 40% and when mccabe/liljegren was both injured, that number raised at 10/20= 50%

 

[Dekes For Days]

bertuzzi domi knies, robertson, gregor reaves, klinberg, woll

Knies, Robertson, and Woll were already here, signed, and had played for the NHL team.
Gregor and Reaves were 4th line players added to replace existing players by choice, not necessity, and we would have been better off without it.
So he basically just had to sign Bertuzzi, Domi, and Klingberg for the healthy roster, which again, is not a lot, and far from a "hand grenade".

 

[thusk]

Knies, Robertson, and Woll were already here, signed, and had played for the NHL team.
Gregor and Reaves were 4th line players added to replace existing players by choice, not necessity, and we would have been better off without it.
So he basically just had to sign Bertuzzi, Domi, and Klingberg for the healthy roster, which again, is not a lot, and far from a "hand grenade".

they can still already signed and pratically didn't played... they was NEW PLAYER WITH NO CHEMISTRY with anybody... thats changing absolutly nothing ... maybe the only 2 player in bottom 6 who already played together was jarnkrok and kampf and like around a big 10 min between jarnkrok/ robertson kampf/ robertson...thats it

resigned kerfoot at 3,5, acciarri at 2 bunting 4,5M, lafferty at 1.15 holl at 3,5... do that really make leafs a better team than bertuzzi, domi, robertson, gregor, klinberg at a basically the same salary

at least that still giving flexibility to leafs next off-season/TDL to fix the D...

 

[colchar]

I'd give Brad an A minus for effort and a D for results. This team is toast and re running Keefe and the soft 4 is beyond stupid.Marner is losing value by the day and soon Mathews will be untradeable unless you eat salary.The problem is the people running the team are clearly idiots.

Send MLSE your resume, I'm sure they'll be tripping over themselves to hire you.

 

[Dekes For Days]

they can still already signed and pratically didn't played... they was NEW PLAYER WITH NO CHEMISTRY with anybody... thats changing absolutly nothing ... maybe the only 2 player in bottom 6 who already played together was jarnkrok and kampf and like around a big 10 min between jarnkrok/ robertson kampf/ robertson...thats it
resigned kerfoot at 3,5, acciarri at 2 bunting 4,5M, lafferty at 1.15 holl at 3,5... do that really make leafs a better team than bertuzzi, domi, robertson, gregor, klinberg at a basically the same salary

They had no trouble coming in and playing with "no chemistry" last season. We also had the option to have more pre-existing chemistry in our bottom-six, and Treliving chose against it. And I'm not sure what chemistry has to do with anything anyway. Fact is, those players were already signed and Treliving didn't have to do anything. The roster turnover and workload Treliving had was not abnormal. Treliving was handed a golden situation, and if he squandered it, it's on him.

Yeah, we're likely a better team re-signing and keeping our players, but that's not what's being argued anyway. Fact is, there were a lot better pathways to complete the team than the one Treliving took, and that was pretty obvious at the time. He chased names over current quality, and solutions to lazy narratives over hockey ability and what the team actually needed, and he seemed to do so with no vision for how they would fit into the team together. That worries me.

 

[thusk]

They had no trouble coming in and playing with "no chemistry" last season. We also had the option to have more pre-existing chemistry in our bottom-six, and Treliving chose against it. And I'm not sure what chemistry has to do with anything anyway. Fact is, those players were already signed and Treliving didn't have to do anything. The roster turnover and workload Treliving had was not abnormal. Treliving was handed a golden situation, and if he squandered it, it's on him.

Yeah, we're likely a better team re-signing and keeping our players, but that's not what's being argued anyway. Fact is, there were a lot better pathways to complete the team than the one Treliving took, and that was pretty obvious at the time. He chased names over current quality, and solutions to lazy narratives over hockey ability and what the team actually needed, and he seemed to do so with no vision for how they would fit into the team together. That worries me.

lack of chemistry doesn't mean you cant play or having an impact, thats just meaning your game will not be at his top potential. you dont know or unable to anticipate where your teammate will be on the ice, When you dont know how your teammate are playing, how he will react and etc... its even harder to make the right play and can change a lot of thing in game.

and whatever what you saying about leafs being so good last season and so trash this season if leafs winning tonight, they will be 11-6-3... last season after 20 game theybwas 10-5-5 . so despite lack of chemistry and the 4 injuries leafs had in their D, i dont know how you can considerate last year a much better team than this season with the same exact kind of result.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Love the Gregor signing.

 

[Lemontree]

Love the Gregor signing.

But, but, but......Sam Lafferty.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Now the flames are hotter than ever with no relief in sight.

Actually the Flames are playing poorly

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Actually the Flames are playing poorly

Groan.... lol.

We can blame Treliving for the Flames sucking too.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Honest assessment of Brad thus far has been OK. I love his demeaner and charisma. I think that he is very clearly a natural leader and someone that people respect very highly.

Signings that didn't really make sense from the beginning and are further not making sense at present day are Ryan Reaves and David Kampf extension.

Moving Lafferty was a choice that didn't make a ton of sense to me. Having Gregor and Lafferty should have always been the plan, not one over the other. This is a direct consequence from the Kampf and Reaves contracts.

Bertuzzi and Domi were good signings. I know the production wasn't there at the beginning, but I think they've both rounded into form nicely. I liked these signings at the start, and I still like them at this point. They are the exact type of players we need in April/May

Klingberg was a gamble that didn't pay off. I understand the logic, it just didn't work out. I think we can now see why that was the case given his health. Unfortunate miss, but also one that maybe could have been avoided with a bit more due diligence. Not to stressed about this signing though.

in summary, I don't think Brad has done anything to move the needle in either direction. That isn't meant as a knock. He's only been in TOR for a ~5 months. He locked in Auston to an extension, which ultimately was the biggest piece of business that was needed to get done. Now he will have to shift his focus to WIlly.

I personally never thought Kyle Dubas was the problem with this organization. In fact, I firmly believed, and still believe he could have been part of the answer. That said, I don't think Brad has done anything to this point that has made me lose confidence in him. Is my confidence in Brad as high as what my confidence was in Kyle? No. But I still think Brad has the makings of a good GM.

Time will ultimately tell. I really hope the Willy extension gets sorted with relative ease, and we start playing to the potential we have.

My final grade for Brad thus far would be: B-

 

[thusk]

Honest assessment of Brad thus far has been OK. I love his demeaner and charisma. I think that he is very clearly a natural leader and someone that people respect very highly.

Signings that didn't really make sense from the beginning and are further not making sense at present day are Ryan Reaves and David Kampf extension.

Moving Lafferty was a choice that didn't make a ton of sense to me. Having Gregor and Lafferty should have always been the plan, not one over the other. This is a direct consequence from the Kampf and Reaves contracts.

Bertuzzi and Domi were good signings. I know the production wasn't there at the beginning, but I think they've both rounded into form nicely. I liked these signings at the start, and I still like them at this point. They are the exact type of players we need in April/May

Klingberg was a gamble that didn't pay off. I understand the logic, it just didn't work out. I think we can now see why that was the case given his health. Unfortunate miss, but also one that maybe could have been avoided with a bit more due diligence. Not to stressed about this signing though.

in summary, I don't think Brad has done anything to move the needle in either direction. That isn't meant as a knock. He's only been in TOR for a ~5 months. He locked in Auston to an extension, which ultimately was the biggest piece of business that was needed to get done. Now he will have to shift his focus to WIlly.

I personally never thought Kyle Dubas was the problem with this organization. In fact, I firmly believed, and still believe he could have been part of the answer. That said, I don't think Brad has done anything to this point that has made me lose confidence in him. Is my confidence in Brad as high as what my confidence was in Kyle? No. But I still think Brad has the makings of a good GM.

Time will ultimately tell. I really hope the Willy extension gets sorted with relative ease, and we start playing to the potential we have.

My final grade for Brad thus far would be: B-

for lafferty depend whats youre expecting... if your plan its to change team culture, lafferty bring absolutly nothing.

exemple, in playoff after a whisttle, opposite team come and start wash hand in leafs face... it would be lafferty who will respond. Gregor will, Reaves will, Bertuzzi will, Domi will (the problem its he can cross the line like yesterday).

outside of klinberg, every move treliving did was to change leafs culture and he didn't made those move for regular season but come playoff time.

Simmonds had been awful for leafs on regular season, but sorry come playoff time against mtl... he did his job perfectly and disturb habs. game 20 reaves signing look awful, maybe come playoff time when you will see reavea hand wash guy like bennett/Gudas/ perry after whisttle-, maybe you will be happy to have him.

personally i understand whats treliving try to do and he didn't wait until TDL with 15-20 to create a team culture, he did it from gm 1 with 82 game to create it.