Brad Treliving ended the myth in just over 5 hours.

[Da Cool Rula]

So Bertuzzi and Domi had more points than Bunting and Kerfoot despite playing a combined 34 fewer games? Sweet. Imagine that gap will only increase if both men are healthy all season.

And playing for better contracts next year...

 

[capfit9]

chill folks, the games are still played on the ice not on paper

 

[socko]

I wouldn't build a statue unless he gets Tavares traded. Then, the statue goes up.

 

[AustonMarner]

Robertson has absolutely nothing to do with it,the kid is constantly injured he hasn't got a damn thing to do with it.

I don't think Timmins does either I think he's about to get sacrificed, it's him or Lafferty potentially both.

I bet you Liljegren goes before Timmins

Mostly because he'll net more in trade and will require raise next year, final year of RFA

 

[TheDoldrums]

I love that the concept of this thread is Tre is great because he gave out bigger contracts. Like actually its bad the Leafs got 112 points in two years from a guy making under a million.

 

[New User Name]

Time will tell but I'm happy where I think this team is going.

After a quiet first day, Brad has done well. IMO

 

[ANDI P IS CUTE]

Just because the Leafs have a lot of players competing for roster spots doesn't mean they have good depth.

Lets start by looking at the players who were on the roster for the playoffs that have left, and compare them to their replacements.

Out: O'Reilly, Bunting, Kerfoot, ZAR, Acciari, Holl, Schenn

In: Bertuzzi, Domi, Reaves, Knies, Klingberg

O'Reilly - nobody replaced O'Reilly. That's a downgrade, and a pretty big one at that.

Bunting/Bertuzzi - Bunting wishes he was Bertuzzi. If Bertuzzi stays healthy this should be an upgrade.

Kerfoot/Domi - Good riddance Alexander Kerfoot. Addition by subtraction.

ZAR & Acciari/Reaves - An upgrade on toughness and a downgrade on everything else.

Holl/Klingberg - This is a lot closer than a lot of Leafs fans care to admit.

Schenn - nobody replaced the one man wrecking crew on defense. Now the Leafs back end looks wimpier than ever.

They are counting on some combination of Robertson, Holmberg, Knies, and McMann to upgrade any of the players on the bottom six last year who left for greener pastures. Which leaves Reaves as the only actual NHL player replacing someone. Let's hope Treliving still picks up some better bottom six players.

Keep the real duds in the AHL where they belong.

Knies will be there 4th best forward this year.

 

[Blaylock38]

Tbh so far Tre has just done what Dubas did last year and got his ROR and Acciari one year rentals in Domi and Bertuzzi. The core 4 remains in tact.

The core 4 needs to be changed. I will wait and see what he does for the rest of the summer. Seems decent so far.

We have them for the entire season though, and can move them as assets if we need a different mix or other assets back, so it's different. The guys you mentioned were acquired at the deadline when we were able to accrue the space. Plus, now we can also add at the deadline on top of what we have acquired already. So it's totally different.

 

[Cournoyer12]

1. Bertuzzi and Domi are better additions to our team than ROR and Acciari

2. Bertuzzi and Domi didn't cost any assets and we have them for at least one full season

Talk about adding sandpaper, I don’t think any team will be taking liberties on the Leafs next season! Just hope Xejah doesn’t have to fight both Reaves and Domi on the same night!!!!

 

[Leafsfan74]

Every team in the league has a handful of guys they can plug into a lineup, it doesn’t mean we have a great group of young talent.

The Leafs are fortunate these guys are willing to take one year deals at a decent cap hit, otherwise the outlook would not be as rosy.

God Bless the power of playing in T.O. They know that the spotlight in Toronto for one year will pay dividends the year after. For players such as these who bounce around, it is a prudent move.

Unfortunately, it won't change who the core are. Even I bought into the narrative that they could play differently with the right mix. So the old "they wll play an inch taller and 30 pounds heavier" is now a misnomer. These guys don't have it, only Matthews shows a bit of feistiness from time to time.

The Pens added Laraque not becuse they needed him. to enclourage Crosby to "bring it". He has always been a net driver and a proud Gamer who shoes up when the stakes are highest.. They brught him there to ensure no players took liberties wth him as he had conconscion problems.

Teams leave the core alone, knowing that a simple box out will keep them in their perimter game. You don't need to really hit a guy when he is doesn't have it in him to get to the areas that require a physical response.

 

[Eye Test]

Please stop posting Robertson in our top 6, that’s a joke and a pipe dream. Hopefully down the road but out of the gate?

Knies top 6 is fine to start the season but like most rookies he might tail off 2nd half of the season. I like the bertuzzi and domi adds as they can fill/play in those roles if needed if the rookies fall off.

Still looking for a few bangers for the bottom 6 but a decent few days for the new GM.

 

[OptimusReim]

Just feels great that we have a competent GM and that fool is in Pittsburgh.

 

[Eye Test]

I bet you Liljegren goes before Timmins

Mostly because he'll net more in trade and will require raise next year, final year of RFA

I’ll bet you 100%. No Chance lilly goes imo, I think besides the core 3, that’s our biggest asset. Lilly will hopefully play like a 5 mil D while being paid as he is.

What do you want to bet?

 

[Mess]

C'mon Mess. If you look a the overall body of work throughout their careers, there is no question that Bertuzzi and Domi are superior players.

The only question really is whether or not Bertuzzi can stay healthy, and that risk is mitigated with the one year commitment.

I think Bertuzzi and Domi are better players than Bunting and Kerfoot no question, but in terms of myth and cap space and depth its really a 1 X LW & 1 X C IN and the same out. Bert will take on top 6 LW replacing Bunting, and Domi with float between 2nd and 3rd line just like Kerfoot did. Bert and Domi = $8.5 mil cap usage Leafs and Bunting and Kerfoot new cap usage = $8 mil.

I'm 100% on board our new GM has made our team better in the process of change, and he simply could have brought back the past for similar cap.

I also thought in the past that Zach Hyman and Naz Kadri a LW & C were better than Bunting and Kerfoot their replacements.

The myth being discussed here is when you spend 1/2 your cap on 4 forwards you can't build enough depth around them to be Cup competitive, that myth IMO has NOT been dispelled by this.

The question is when 3 X $11 player for $33 mil cap combined for 1 single goal in 5 game playoff series are Leafs supporting cast strong enough to overcome and outscore the depth of the opposition of a Sam Reinhart, Carter Verhaeghe, Sam Bennett etc that spread the wealth beyond the production of just Barkov and Tkachuk. Tyler Bertuzzi didn't help record setting Boston advance past Florida either last year but his 5 goals and 5 assists in 7 games will look damn good in a Leafs lineup if he duplicates that for us.

The myth will be busted when Leafs get out from under the Tavares $11 mil contract, and can afford a Bertuzzi at $5.5 mil and Hyman at $5.5 mil for the same cap usage and build a deeper team. Tre needs 2 more years to correct that Cap spending issue.

 

[TakeTheBody]

So far so good. The elephant in the room is why did ROR want out? He signed a reasonable deal I'm sure the Leafs would have matched. WAs it Keefe? Because bringing back Keefe has been the only real error so far in my opinion.

 

[Primary Assist]

So far so good. The elephant in the room is why did ROR want out? He signed a reasonable deal I'm sure the Leafs would have matched. WAs it Keefe? Because bringing back Keefe has been the only real error so far in my opinion.

I don't think the Leafs would be wise to offer ROR the same contract Nashville offered. If we have proof that we offered a competitive contract offer along with Nashville that may be smoke for something bad brewing, but the team probably wasn't willing to commit long term at that cap hit to a player who, while very valuable, is on the decline. Outside a few heroic moments he wasn't great for us in the postseason

 

[AustonMarner]

So far so good. The elephant in the room is why did ROR want out? He signed a reasonable deal I'm sure the Leafs would have matched. WAs it Keefe? Because bringing back Keefe has been the only real error so far in my opinion.

He did question coaching decisions after playoff loss to Panthers, so I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason ROR didn't re-up was Keefe...

Likely didn't want to play third fiddle to Matthews and Tavares as well

It'll turn out ROR did us a favour by going to the Preds...better the Leafs didn't give him 4 year deal like Nashville did

 

[DuklaNation]

Trevliving using the cap space to show his core 4 that hey not enough for your raises anymore, had to improve the team. Take my offer.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

ROR is on his 5th NHL team now. Perhaps he's the issue.

 

[notbias]

Trevliving using the cap space to show his core 4 that hey not enough for your raises anymore, had to improve the team. Take my offer.

By signing players who all expire when they need a raise?

 

[robertocarlos]

Capfriendly currently has the Leafs at 8+ million over the cap and that's without Samsonov signed. What am I missing?

?

Nylander is getting traded to Arizona?

 

[Mess]

Leafs playoff roster

Bunting/Knies ---- Matthews ------ Nylander
Tavares ------------ O'Reilly -------- Marner
Jarnkrok------------- Kampf -------- Kerfoot
Ashton-Reese ----- Acciari -------- Lafferty
Simmonds

Current roster

Bertuzzi -------- Matthews ------ Nylander
Knies ----------- Tavares --------- Marner
Jarnkrok -------- Kampf ---------- Domi
Reaves -------- Holmberg ------ Lafferty


OUT: Ryan O'Reilly, Michael Bunting, Alex Kerfoot, Noel Accairi, Zach Ashton-Reese, Wayne Simmonds.
IN: Tyler Bertuzzi, Max Domi, Ryan Reaves and Pontus Holmberg

Depth increase, decreased or similar ?

 

[ToDavid]

Gio’s on a 35+, retirement isn’t helping us.

I don't think he actually is. Cap Friendly seems to flag every contarct signed by a 35+ year old as a "35+" contract, despite the new rules that except certain contracts (which they describe on their own site). He wouldn't be on a 35+ contract for the same reason Reaves isn't, not front loaded and no signing bonuses.

 

[Squiffy]

I don't think he actually is. Cap Friendly seems to flag every contarct signed by a 35+ year old as a "35+" contract, despite the new rules that except certain contracts (which they describe on their own site). He wouldn't be on a 35+ contract for the same reason Reaves isn't, not front loaded and no signing bonuses.

You’re right, changed with the MoU.

 

[barilko05]

Just because the Leafs have a lot of players competing for roster spots doesn't mean they have good depth.

Lets start by looking at the players who were on the roster for the playoffs that have left, and compare them to their replacements.

Out: O'Reilly, Bunting, Kerfoot, ZAR, Acciari, Holl, Schenn

In: Bertuzzi, Domi, Reaves, Knies, Klingberg

O'Reilly - nobody replaced O'Reilly. That's a downgrade, and a pretty big one at that.

Bunting/Bertuzzi - Bunting wishes he was Bertuzzi. If Bertuzzi stays healthy this should be an upgrade.

Kerfoot/Domi - Good riddance Alexander Kerfoot. Addition by subtraction.

ZAR & Acciari/Reaves - An upgrade on toughness and a downgrade on everything else.

Holl/Klingberg - This is a lot closer than a lot of Leafs fans care to admit.

Schenn - nobody replaced the one man wrecking crew on defense. Now the Leafs back end looks wimpier than ever.

They are counting on some combination of Robertson, Holmberg, Knies, and McMann to upgrade any of the players on the bottom six last year who left for greener pastures. Which leaves Reaves as the only actual NHL player replacing someone. Let's hope Treliving still picks up some better bottom six players.

Keep the real duds in the AHL where they belong.

FFS can we please stop "Godding" up Luke F-in' Schenn. The guy had a decent post deadline run and was a good fit with Rielly in the playoffs. Before that, he was a cannon fodder 6th or 7th D at best. We got probably his best on-ice work in 5 years. He signed a ridiculously overpriced deal in Nashville, and when he reverts back to his former self, we're all going to go "Phew! Dodged a bullet there." And ZAR? Really? You're lamenting we lost him? He was lost from the first whistle last fall. He's going to fall into that pantheon of Leaf greats like PA Parenteau, Phil Orescovic and Shawn Mathias. As in "Really? He played for us? Huh...don't remember that." One and done.