Brad Treliving ended the myth in just over 5 hours.

[Gaberd2608]

Just because the Leafs have a lot of players competing for roster spots doesn't mean they have good depth.

Lets start by looking at the players who were on the roster for the playoffs that have left, and compare them to their replacements.

Out: O'Reilly, Bunting, Kerfoot, ZAR, Acciari, Holl, Schenn

In: Bertuzzi, Domi, Reaves, Knies, Klingberg

O'Reilly - nobody replaced O'Reilly. That's a downgrade, and a pretty big one at that.

Bunting/Bertuzzi - Bunting wishes he was Bertuzzi. If Bertuzzi stays healthy this should be an upgrade.

Kerfoot/Domi - Good riddance Alexander Kerfoot. Addition by subtraction.

ZAR & Acciari/Reaves - An upgrade on toughness and a downgrade on everything else.

Holl/Klingberg - This is a lot closer than a lot of Leafs fans care to admit.

Schenn - nobody replaced the one man wrecking crew on defense. Now the Leafs back end looks wimpier than ever.

They are counting on some combination of Robertson, Holmberg, Knies, and McMann to upgrade any of the players on the bottom six last year who left for greener pastures. Which leaves Reaves as the only actual NHL player replacing someone. Let's hope Treliving still picks up some better bottom six players.

Keep the real duds in the AHL where they belong.

Schenn was pretty bad for a long while. Almost to the point of being on waivers or out of the league. Good on him for turning it around a bit but imo playing well for 20 games is not the same as playing well for the whole season. I dont think schenn would hold up playing the tough minutes with rielly as much as we wanted him to in the long run. I think we dodged a bullet and I like him very much as a person and gor his contributions in the playoffs.

Leafs are still a work in progress but we are looking better imo going into the season. We need a few odds and ends. We should be able to do a small tweak at the deadline but i feel a lot better going into this season then i do the past 2 or 3.

Bertuzzi. Matthews. Marner
Robertson. Tavares. Nylander
Knies. Domi. Jarnkrok
Lafferty. Kampf. Holmberg
Reaves

Rielly. Brodie
Mccabe. Klinberg
Gio. Lilly

Sammy
Woll

I think we need to look for a top 4 D to maybe to make things easier on gio and possibly and upgrade on Lafferty which can come at the deadline or from a marlie potentially.

We may be able to sign someone like Dumba, staal, or hamonic

 

[sxvnert]

Capfriendly currently has the Leafs at 8+ million over the cap and that's without Samsonov signed. What am I missing?

Murray - 4,687,500
Muzzin - 5,625,000
Järnkrok - 2,100,000
Liljegren - 1,400,000
Timmins - 1,100,000
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$14,912,500 potentially available

Hopefully Treliving fine tunes each and every piece of this roster and puts an end to the filler players Kyle routinely added throughout the roster.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Schenn was pretty bad for a long while. Almost to the point of being on waivers or out of the league. Good on him for turning it around a bit but imo playing well for 20 games is not the same as playing well for the whole season. I dont think schenn would hold up playing the tough minutes with rielly as much as we wanted him to in the long run. I think we dodged a bullet and I like him very much as a person and gor his contributions in the playoffs.

Leafs are still a work in progress but we are looking better imo going into the season. We need a few odds and ends. We should be able to do a small tweak at the deadline but i feel a lot better going into this season then i do the past 2 or 3.

Bertuzzi. Matthews. Marner
Robertson. Tavares. Nylander
Knies. Domi. Jarnkrok
Lafferty. Kampf. Holmberg
Reaves

Rielly. Brodie
Mccabe. Klinberg
Gio. Lilly

Sammy
Woll

I think we need to look for a top 4 D to maybe to make things easier on gio and possibly and upgrade on Lafferty which can come at the deadline or from a marlie potentially.

We may be able to sign someone like Dumba, staal, or hamonic

I'm not sandbagging Treliving here like I had to do with Dubas every offseason, so that's a good thing.

I'm not convinced the team is any better than what Dubas left it. But it isn't any worse. That's the first time I have been able to say that in a few years.

That fact alone makes Treliving a better GM so far than Dubas was.

Still a long ways to go though.

He might disappoint still.

 

[Mess]

Now you are going to ask what is the myth? And it's really very simple.

I'm talking about the myth that I have heard since about 2019.

We can't afford proper depth scoring because we spend to much money on the core 4.

Now that was bullshit, it's always been bullshit and all you had to do to prove that was look around the league and you would have seen Florida, Tampa, Vegas,NYR etc. all spending a minimum of 40% of their capon 4 or 5, MAYBE 6 players, regardless it's always a small group.

Now just looking around should be enough to kill that myth, but if it wasn't Brad Treliving killed that bullshit Myth in what? 5 hours?

The second that Tyler Bertuzzi put his name on a contract that myth was dead, but if somehow it wasn't then it took it's last breath the second that Max Domi put his name on a contract.

The big 4, are still the big 4, their cap hits don't change, yes the salary cap went up 1 million but that's not enough to make any real difference..Yet Brad was able to do what I was told couldn't be done because we spend to much money on the core 4.

He added not 1, but 2 legitimate top 6 forwards including the best player in free agency.

He added not 1 but 2 legitimate support scorers.

And in doing so not only did he make the Leafs incredibly deep offensively but he killed the Myth that the Leafs spend to much money on the core 4 to add proper depth scoring, it's simply not true and it never has been.

"Myth" Rebuttal:

Alex Kerfoot @ $3.5 mil + Justin Holl @ $2 mil = OUT = Tyler Bertuzzi @ $5.5 mil IN
Michael Bunting @ $950K + Noel Accairi @$1.25 mil + $1 mil Cap increase = $3 mil = Maxi Domi @ $3.0 mil

OUT

&

IN

&

OUT: 2 Forwards .. 33 goals 81 points vs. IN: 2 forwards ....... 28 goals 86 points

Conclusion: "Depth Scoring" using only 2 forwards OUT vs 2 Forwards IN as an example has not changed, only the names have changed not the cap nor the production. !!!

 

[Gaberd2608]

I'm not sandbagging Treliving here like I had to do with Dubas every offseason, so that's a good thing.

I'm not convinced the team is any better than what Dubas left it. But it isn't any worse. That's the first time I have been able to say that in a few years.

That fact alone makes Treliving a better GM so far than Dubas was.

Still a long ways to go though.

He might disappoint still.

For a guy who had been here a month I think he is doing ok. Obviously we need to play a bit to see everything in action but i at least feel cautious optimism for the first time in years.

My gut feeling is the coach needs a changeup but I suspect it was just too much too soon for BT to deal with that. I wouldnt be shocked if there is a change by Christmas.

 

[Nineteen67]

Did the 4 additions score 40 goals between them last year?
What was their combined +/- ?

Different circumstances will change the results, but by how much?

Their lack of quickness and foot speed is what did them in last year.

 

[BLONG7]

Now you are going to ask what is the myth? And it's really very simple.

I'm talking about the myth that I have heard since about 2019.

We can't afford proper depth scoring because we spend to much money on the core 4.

Now that was bullshit, it's always been bullshit and all you had to do to prove that was look around the league and you would have seen Florida, Tampa, Vegas,NYR etc. all spending a minimum of 40% of their capon 4 or 5, MAYBE 6 players, regardless it's always a small group.

Now just looking around should be enough to kill that myth, but if it wasn't Brad Treliving killed that bullshit Myth in what? 5 hours?

The second that Tyler Bertuzzi put his name on a contract that myth was dead, but if somehow it wasn't then it took it's last breath the second that Max Domi put his name on a contract.

The big 4, are still the big 4, their cap hits don't change, yes the salary cap went up 1 million but that's not enough to make any real difference..Yet Brad was able to do what I was told couldn't be done because we spend to much money on the core 4.

He added not 1, but 2 legitimate top 6 forwards including the best player in free agency.

He added not 1 but 2 legitimate support scorers.

And in doing so not only did he make the Leafs incredibly deep offensively but he killed the Myth that the Leafs spend to much money on the core 4 to add proper depth scoring, it's simply not true and it never has been.

The cap means nothing? Might as well get Dumba too !!

 

[Nineteen67]

Rebuttal:

Alex Kerfoot @ $3.5 mil + Justin Holl @ $2 mil = OUT = Tyler Bertuzzi @ $5.5 mil IN
Michael Bunting @ $950K + Noel Accairi @$1.25 mil + $1 mil Cap increase = $3 mil = Maxi Domi @ $3.0 mil

OUT

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OUT: 2 Forwards .. 33 goals 81 points vs. IN: 2 forwards ....... 28 goals 86 points

"Depth" using only 2 forwards OUT vs 2 Forwards IN has not changed. !!!

The only thing matters is playoff potential. Kerfoot proved he couldn’t do, despite the chances he got. They went from zero chance to some chance.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Rebuttal:

Alex Kerfoot @ $3.5 mil + Justin Holl @ $2 mil = OUT = Tyler Bertuzzi @ $5.5 mil IN
Michael Bunting @ $950K + Noel Accairi @$1.25 mil + $1 mil Cap increase = $3 mil = Maxi Domi @ $3.0 mil

OUT

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OUT: 2 Forwards .. 33 goals 81 points vs. IN: 2 forwards ....... 28 goals 86 points

"Depth" using only 2 forwards OUT vs 2 Forwards IN has not changed. !!!

The depth has changed because the quality of the depth player has changed.

Unless of course you actually believe that Bunting and Kerfoot is a better combo Than Bertuzzi and Domi.

I know which combo I'm taking and it's not close

 

[Brobust]

The real myth that was ended is that Brendan Shanahan is the actual shadow GM.

 

[LeafGrief]

We're still going to have ~4m total allocated to goaltending (which I know OP is often concerned with) and our defense is far from championship quality unless 3/6 of them take huge leaps forward or have career years. I'm enthusiastic about the forward depth we signed yesterday, but there's no term on those deals and I have come to detest the revolving door that is the middle of our lineup. Woe to the leader that pins their hope on mercenaries.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Rebuttal:

Alex Kerfoot @ $3.5 mil + Justin Holl @ $2 mil = OUT = Tyler Bertuzzi @ $5.5 mil IN
Michael Bunting @ $950K + Noel Accairi @$1.25 mil + $1 mil Cap increase = $3 mil = Maxi Domi @ $3.0 mil

OUT

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IN

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OUT: 2 Forwards .. 33 goals 81 points vs. IN: 2 forwards ....... 28 goals 86 points

Conclusion: "Depth Scoring" using only 2 forwards OUT vs 2 Forwards IN as an example has not changed, only the names have changed not the cap nor the production. !!!

So Bertuzzi and Domi had more points than Bunting and Kerfoot despite playing a combined 34 fewer games? Sweet. Imagine that gap will only increase if both men are healthy all season.

 

[Gabriel426]

What myth?

Leafs always had depth, just weak soft depth till TDL last season.

As for some suggesting Gio retiring or trading Timmins to free up cap. Gio is making 800k, and if he retires he needs to be replace, don’t think you can find a Dman like Gio for 800k.
Same with Timmins, replacing him with someone at 950k(barely an NHLer) and saving 200k won’t do.
I am all for upgrading TJ but who is available that is an upgrade and cost lower AVV.

 

[socko]

I'm going to admit that I was a little afraid that Tre was just brought here to be Dubas without the fake glasses or the desire to remove Shanahan from his job. My fears have proved false, Tre is his own man. I don't think that means he's going to be great, but at least he's not Dubas. That's a great start.

 

[Clark4Ever]

"Myth" Rebuttal:

Alex Kerfoot @ $3.5 mil + Justin Holl @ $2 mil = OUT = Tyler Bertuzzi @ $5.5 mil IN
Michael Bunting @ $950K + Noel Accairi @$1.25 mil + $1 mil Cap increase = $3 mil = Maxi Domi @ $3.0 mil

OUT

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IN

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OUT: 2 Forwards .. 33 goals 81 points vs. IN: 2 forwards ....... 28 goals 86 points

Conclusion: "Depth Scoring" using only 2 forwards OUT vs 2 Forwards IN as an example has not changed, only the names have changed not the cap nor the production. !!!

C'mon Mess. If you look at the overall body of work throughout their careers, there is no question that Bertuzzi and Domi are superior players.

The only question really is whether or not Bertuzzi can stay healthy, and that risk is mitigated with the one year commitment.

 

[Gilles Meloche]

Sorry I doubted you Tree

 

[crump]

Next 5 hours:

Leafs trade 2 of the 4 core forwards

Tie Domi comes out of retirement to join son on the Malple Leafs

 

[rocketman588]

The real myth that was ended is that Brendan Shanahan is the actual shadow GM.

That was a "Myth" for like two weeks while the members of the Toronto media were looking for reasons to bail their buddy/source out from attempting to take his bosses job and taking the cash and running.

The only trade that anyone had verification that ever got nixed was the Hagel deal

Next 5 hours:

Leafs trade 2 of the 4 core forwards

Tie Domi comes out of retirement to join son on the Malple Leafs

We might be trash but Domi and reeves together would be the broad street bullies in this NHL

 

[Mess]

1. Bertuzzi and Domi are better additions to our team than ROR and Acciari

2. Bertuzzi and Domi didn't cost any assets and we have them for at least one full season

ROR and Acciari cost the Leafs 1st & 2nd & 3rd & 4th round draft picks as rentals and mortgaged the future for 11 playoff games & failure in the present.

Bert and Domi cost the Leafs only cap space by letting dead weight like Kerfoot and Juston Holl walk away.

A good GMs build their teams in the offseason, and through strong drafting and development. BT added 2 top 9 forwards and also kept his 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks in doing so.

 

[Squiffy]

And about 10 million coming off the books
Maybe more if brodie gets moved and gio retires
I'd like gio in a coaching role myself

Gio’s on a 35+, retirement isn’t helping us.

 

[gravyface]

Just because the Leafs have a lot of players competing for roster spots doesn't mean they have good depth.

Lets start by looking at the players who were on the roster for the playoffs that have left, and compare them to their replacements.

Out: O'Reilly, Bunting, Kerfoot, ZAR, Acciari, Holl, Schenn

In: Bertuzzi, Domi, Reaves, Knies, Klingberg

O'Reilly - nobody replaced O'Reilly. That's a downgrade, and a pretty big one at that.

Bunting/Bertuzzi - Bunting wishes he was Bertuzzi. If Bertuzzi stays healthy this should be an upgrade.

Kerfoot/Domi - Good riddance Alexander Kerfoot. Addition by subtraction.

ZAR & Acciari/Reaves - An upgrade on toughness and a downgrade on everything else.

Holl/Klingberg - This is a lot closer than a lot of Leafs fans care to admit.

Schenn - nobody replaced the one man wrecking crew on defense. Now the Leafs back end looks wimpier than ever.

They are counting on some combination of Robertson, Holmberg, Knies, and McMann to upgrade any of the players on the bottom six last year who left for greener pastures. Which leaves Reaves as the only actual NHL player replacing someone. Let's hope Treliving still picks up some better bottom six players.

Keep the real duds in the AHL where they belong.

ROR looked great on paper, until he started playing and then he just kind of looked awkward with JT on the wing and clearly doesn't see himself as a 3C at this point in his career.

ZAR is lucky to be playing in the league, that's if he even gets a contract. Reaves was not brought in to replace Acciari either. Reaves in, Simmonds out is how this should be evaluated.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

Trust in Treliving.

 

[MAB1]

Next 5 hours:

Leafs trade 2 of the 4 core forwards

Tie Domi comes out of retirement to join son on the Malple Leafs

How I wish the Leafs could trade Tavares to the Kings for Doughty...

 

[kevsh]

We can't afford proper depth scoring because we spend to much money on the core 4.

This new, revised group hasn't played a game yet so let's not go crazy on either side of the argument. But a few points anyway:

The new additions don't exactly bring huge offence and all 3 are a liability defensively. So yeah, maybe they will score a few more goals this year in the regular season but they seem likely to let in a few more.

As pointed out, the Leafs got these guys on 1 year deals which is not typical in most off-seasons.

The blue line (on paper) is no better defensively and based on Treliving's disposition towards bigger guys he's done nothing to address that, yet.

 

[Trapper]

Now you are going to ask what is the myth? And it's really very simple.

I'm talking about the myth that I have heard since about 2019.

We can't afford proper depth scoring because we spend to much money on the core 4.

Now that was bullshit, it's always been bullshit and all you had to do to prove that was look around the league and you would have seen Florida, Tampa, Vegas,NYR etc. all spending a minimum of 40% of their capon 4 or 5, MAYBE 6 players, regardless it's always a small group.

Now just looking around should be enough to kill that myth, but if it wasn't Brad Treliving killed that bullshit Myth in what? 5 hours?

The second that Tyler Bertuzzi put his name on a contract that myth was dead, but if somehow it wasn't then it took it's last breath the second that Max Domi put his name on a contract.

The big 4, are still the big 4, their cap hits don't change, yes the salary cap went up 1 million but that's not enough to make any real difference..Yet Brad was able to do what I was told couldn't be done because we spend to much money on the core 4.

He added not 1, but 2 legitimate top 6 forwards including the best player in free agency.

He added not 1 but 2 legitimate support scorers.

And in doing so not only did he make the Leafs incredibly deep offensively but he killed the Myth that the Leafs spend to much money on the core 4 to add proper depth scoring, it's simply not true and it never has been.

I would hold off on the statue until we see how things progress.
Keep in mind, these are all 1 year deals, no guarantee they are back or what cap is available after the new deals.

One of the signings is also replacing Jake Muzzin, not adding to him. We got the 4 million from him.