Brad Treliving ended the myth in just over 5 hours.

[ToDavid]

Effectively shaved (or will shave) money off the 2nd pair (Muzzin + Holl --> McCabe + Klingberg) and goaltending (Murray + Sammy --> Sammy + Woll).

Definitely more secondary scoring, and we'll be more annoying to play against. However, we also definitely gave up some defensive/PK depth. It will be on Keefe to get them into our defensive system. Say what you will about our coach, but this team has taken major strides defensively under him. If we can add this level of secondary scoring with guys like Domi and Klingberg while staying a top-10 defensive team, both Brad and Keefe deserve props for that.

 

[BayStBullies]

I stopped reading when you compared a range of 4-6, in a discussion of budgeting too much for a core in a depth scoring conversation. 4 is the problem. If they had spent it across 6, it wouldn't be a conversation.

 

[Gabriel426]

Effectively shaved (or will shave) money off the 2nd pair (Muzzin + Holl --> McCabe + Klingberg) and goaltending (Murray + Sammy --> Sammy + Woll).

Definitely more secondary scoring, and we'll be more annoying to play against. However, we also definitely gave up some defensive/PK depth. It will be on Keefe to get them into our defensive system. Say what you will about our coach, but this team has taken major strides defensively under him. If we can add this level of secondary scoring with guys like Domi and Klingberg while staying a top-10 defensive team, both Brad and Keefe deserve props for that.

Not sure about PK depth.
Lafferty is pretty good in PK but didn’t get a chance last season and I think he will be better than Kerfoot as he actually scored on SH chances.

Holl is okay in PK, but I think Lilly can take his spot and run with it if he has more play time.

 

[ToDavid]

Not sure about PK depth.
Lafferty is pretty good in PK but didn’t get a chance last season and I think he will be better than Kerfoot as he actually scored on SH chances.

Holl is okay in PK, but I think Lilly can take his spot and run with it if he has more play time.

SH chances are nice, but that's not really the primary goal of the PK. For all Holl's warts, I would say he was more than okay on the PK, he ate minutes on a top-10 PK in the league. Lilly might be able to grow into that spot, but it's not certain.

I don't think our PK is going to be bad. Kampf and Marner are still huge parts of it. And this organization has been good at getting effective PKers from the Marlies. But we took a hit.

 

[Gabriel426]

SH chances are nice, but that's not really the primary goal of the PK. For all Holl's warts, I would say he was more than okay on the PK, he ate minutes on a top-10 PK in the league. Lilly might be able to grow into that spot, but it's not certain.

I don't think our PK is going to be bad. Kampf and Marner are still huge parts of it. And this organization has been good at getting effective PKers from the Marlies. But we took a hit.

I don’t think we took a huge hit. Think Lafferty is better than Kerfoot on the PK. The only concern is clearing out in front of the net, but think having a full season of McCabe and letting Lilly play will help.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Tbh so far Tre has just done what Dubas did last year and got his ROR and Acciari one year rentals in Domi and Bertuzzi. The core 4 remains in tact.

People believe what they want and have millisecond memories.

 

[Donnie740]

Instead of wasting $4M or $5M plus massive term on a mediocre goalie that’s a proven loser - - Mrazek/Murray/Jarry - - and hoping he’ll somehow morph into a “1A goalie” Treliving spent that money on a scoring forward.

Meanwhile, Dumbass is up to his usual incompetence in Pittsburgh by giving out the worst deal of free agency to Tristan Jarry.

Sorry about your luck, Penguin Fan.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Now you are going to ask what is the myth? And it's really very simple.

I'm talking about the myth that I have heard since about 2019.

We can't afford proper depth scoring because we spend to much money on the core 4.

Now that was bullshit, it's always been bullshit and all you had to do to prove that was look around the league and you would have seen Florida, Tampa, Vegas,NYR etc. all spending a minimum of 40% of their capon 4 or 5, MAYBE 6 players, regardless it's always a small group.

Now just looking around should be enough to kill that myth, but if it wasn't Brad Treliving killed that bullshit Myth in what? 5 hours?

The second that Tyler Bertuzzi put his name on a contract that myth was dead, but if somehow it wasn't then it took it's last breath the second that Max Domi put his name on a contract.

The big 4, are still the big 4, their cap hits don't change, yes the salary cap went up 1 million but that's not enough to make any real difference..Yet Brad was able to do what I was told couldn't be done because we spend to much money on the core 4.

He added not 1, but 2 legitimate top 6 forwards including the best player in free agency.

He added not 1 but 2 legitimate support scorers.

And in doing so not only did he make the Leafs incredibly deep offensively but he killed the Myth that the Leafs spend to much money on the core 4 to add proper depth scoring, it's simply not true and it never has been.

Capfriendly disputes this line of thinking. We are at $91M right now and even with Muzzin's $5.6M on LTIR they are still $3.2M over the cap and they still need to sign RFA Samsonov.

They will need to either trade Murray, buy him out or LTIR his contract to make Samsonov fit.

Trading Nylander for help on D is still very much on the table. The problem is finding a good D that makes under $5M against the cap.

There's very few teams right now than can take on Nylanders contract or his demands and half of those teams are probably on his no trade list.

 

[justashadowof]

Tbh so far Tre has just done what Dubas did last year and got his ROR and Acciari one year rentals in Domi and Bertuzzi.

Maybe you're right but they didn't cost the organization a 1st, a 2nd, a 3rd and a 4th.

 

[horner]

I like how treliving talks about special role that he wants to find.
Dubss never never talked that way about what we needed. Up until last yr it was all about skill.

You need players to fit a role.,

He as he put it we now have players that will drag us into the fight . Come playoffs that is what you need

I like how he thinks.

 

[horner]

Tbh so far Tre has just done what Dubas did last year and got his ROR and Acciari one year rentals in Domi and Bertuzzi. The core 4 remains in tact.

The core 4 needs to be changed. I will wait and see what he does for the rest of the summer. Seems decent so far.

The big difference is treliving is doing this in the off season
Giving the team time to get acclimated with each other.
We added alot of players at the deadline not enough time to acclimated withe each other

 

[LeafGrief]

There really is no difference between this team and a Dubas team. We've still got the same four forwards eating half the cap, we've still a goaltending tandem of shoestrings and hope, and our defense is Rielly and a bunch of guys in over their head. Domi is literally Bunting if his dad played for the Leafs. Bertuzzi is a great pickup, but that's 5.5m on a winger instead of Jake Muzzin.

The Dubas yearly recipe is the core and a revolving door of forwards, and then praying half the defense core and a goalie have career years. Sometimes the revolving door is veteran leadership, sometimes it's physicality, sometimes it's 30 point 4th liners. Liljegren and Knies are this year's great rookie hopes in the mold of Kapanen, Johnsson, Dermott, and Sandin before them. If we're lucky, Knies is the real deal, but that still doesn't dramatically change the team.

Our D and G situations are utterly dire. I love that we're getting T R U C U L E N C E up front, but this is still the same old, same old. Nothing changes until the core 4 changes.

 

[Buds17]

A GM can do a number of things if and when the money is spent wisely enough across various places on the roster.

I'm more impressed that the GM who lost players during his previous stop was able to sign players for a Canadian based team now (a couple of myths exist in this sentence IMO).

 

[Canadian Finn]

Maybe you're right but they didn't cost the organization a 1st, a 2nd, a 3rd and a 4th.

none of those facts and details.

dubas be praised.

 

[thewave]

A GM can do a number of things if and when the money is spent wisely enough across various places on the roster.

I'm more impressed that the GM who lost players during his previous stop was able to sign players for a Canadian based team (a couple of myths exist in this sentence IMO).

Toronto can always get players. We've never had that problem here. The problem is overpaying over 30s who don't have the gear left in them to win it.

It's essentially what we are known for.

 

[Buds17]

Toronto can always get players. We've never had that problem here. The problem is overpaying over 30s who don't have the gear left in them to win it.

It's essentially what we are known for.

Fair enough.

 

[Hockeysawks]

The big difference is treliving is doing this in the off season
Giving the team time to get acclimated with each other.
We added alot of players at the deadline not enough time to acclimated withe each other

That and Acciari is a 20 point plug that ends up being a minus player on strong teams most years and has never produced in the playoffs.
ROR was a center that they didn’t need, it was pointless moves that made no sense.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Toronto can always get players. We've never had that problem here. The problem is overpaying over 30s who don't have the gear left in them to win it.

It's essentially what we are known for.

Exactly, and that's why we dodged a bullet with both ROR and Schenn. I don't like the Reaves signing because he's over 35, past his prime, and the term is two years too long. I think his job could have been done by someone cheaper. However, I have no problem with the other 3 signings because they're younger, cheaper, on short term, and bring an element we were missing at a decent cost.

 

[authentic]

Just because the Leafs have a lot of players competing for roster spots doesn't mean they have good depth.

Lets start by looking at the players who were on the roster for the playoffs that have left, and compare them to their replacements.

Out: O'Reilly, Bunting, Kerfoot, ZAR, Acciari, Holl, Schenn

In: Bertuzzi, Domi, Reaves, Knies, Klingberg

O'Reilly - nobody replaced O'Reilly. That's a downgrade, and a pretty big one at that.

Bunting/Bertuzzi - Bunting wishes he was Bertuzzi. If Bertuzzi stays healthy this should be an upgrade.

Kerfoot/Domi - Good riddance Alexander Kerfoot. Addition by subtraction.

ZAR & Acciari/Reaves - An upgrade on toughness and a downgrade on everything else.

Holl/Klingberg - This is a lot closer than a lot of Leafs fans care to admit.

Schenn - nobody replaced the one man wrecking crew on defense. Now the Leafs back end looks wimpier than ever.

They are counting on some combination of Robertson, Holmberg, Knies, and McMann to upgrade any of the players on the bottom six last year who left for greener pastures. Which leaves Reaves as the only actual NHL player replacing someone. Let's hope Treliving still picks up some better bottom six players.

Keep the real duds in the AHL where they belong.

I don't think those players are going to have much trouble replacing our bottom 6

 

[Maple Leaf]

Now you are going to ask what is the myth? And it's really very simple.

I'm talking about the myth that I have heard since about 2019.

We can't afford proper depth scoring because we spend to much money on the core 4.

Now that was bullshit, it's always been bullshit and all you had to do to prove that was look around the league and you would have seen Florida, Tampa, Vegas,NYR etc. all spending a minimum of 40% of their capon 4 or 5, MAYBE 6 players, regardless it's always a small group.

Now just looking around should be enough to kill that myth, but if it wasn't Brad Treliving killed that bullshit Myth in what? 5 hours?

The second that Tyler Bertuzzi put his name on a contract that myth was dead, but if somehow it wasn't then it took it's last breath the second that Max Domi put his name on a contract.

The big 4, are still the big 4, their cap hits don't change, yes the salary cap went up 1 million but that's not enough to make any real difference..Yet Brad was able to do what I was told couldn't be done because we spend to much money on the core 4.

He added not 1, but 2 legitimate top 6 forwards including the best player in free agency.

He added not 1 but 2 legitimate support scorers.

And in doing so not only did he make the Leafs incredibly deep offensively but he killed the Myth that the Leafs spend to much money on the core 4 to add proper depth scoring, it's simply not true and it never has been.

The myth is over and the legend begins

 

[thewave]

The myth is over and the legend begins

Undeniable. Treliving destryed Kyle since July 1st. I don't even know what he is thinking over there it's like a mess and a lot of fans say the same.

 

[Racer88]

It’s not a myth……it’s real, 4 forwards taking 50% of the cap is a bad distribution. If it was spread out amongst forward, defence and goaltending maybe but not the way it is.
as far as the changes that Tre has made we will have to wait and see if it works out. As it stand now we just have a different perimeter group then last year that was different then the year before and the year before that etc etc. we have seen this movie many times with the same result.
I hope it works out but it’s way to early to anoint this as the magic formula

 

[al secord]

Undeniable. Treliving destryed Kyle since July 1st. I don't even know what he is thinking over there it's like a mess and a lot of fans say the same.

Ryan Reaves. 3 years. 1.3 mill.

 

[thewave]

Ryan Reaves. 3 years. 1.3 mill.

That's not a team wrecker. He basically put together a bunch of directionless nothing over there. Go read their forums its funny.

 

[al secord]

That's not a team wrecker. He basically put together a bunch of directionless nothing over there. Go read their forums its funny.

Just saying, GM's that buy Ryan Reaves a house, probably shouldn't throw stones