Brad Treliving- 1st year complete.

[GoonieFace]

Why should someone take responsibility for signing a headcase? Because they signed them.

As I said, it made sense to gamble on Samsanov, but he is still responsible for signing him, he could have easily walked away.

Washington walked away from him.



We walked away from Cambell, history says that Samsanov wouldn't have been re-signed to a long-term deal, not that he would have, you are writing fan fiction to fit your narrative.



His deadline made no sense to me and one player performed well.

He still spent 6 picks, and I think the best value from all those deals was Dewar (who if we have a good offseason will be the 13th forward).

He had a better idea at the beginning of the season by picking up Klingberg, although it was a dumb signing because Klingberg was no longer good, it was still the right idea. He abandoned that idea though and decided we no longer needed offense and we could win every game 1-0 based on his deadline.



Can anyone explain the love for Edmundson or Bert? Bert performed under expectations and Edmundson was bad overall.

Benoit was good and Domi was great.



Samsanov was meh? How?

If Reaves takes up a roster spot and his full cap is on the books this year, I think we can call that a bad move.



Klingberg hasn't been good for a long time, it wasn't due to injury.



He's left himself $20 million in cap again, has young talent, and some cheap contracts for once (thanks Hunter), hopefully, he does better this offseason.

Bert was effective, still wouldn’t bring him back at that cap hit

Edmundson is a good bottom pairing guy, depending on the price I would bring him back

Samsonov deserved the chance to prove himself, a one year deal was a no brainer

Reaves did just fine, no big deal there

Klingberg may have found his game here, look at Ekman Larsson. It was worth the shot on a 1 year deal.

They have $20 mil, but a lot of spots to fill, so it’s not going to be easy

 

[Anthrax442]

1St year was okay. But not perfect. Not changing the coach then, now puts us in an awkward position with Marner

 

[Gallagbi]

1St year was okay. But not perfect. Not changing the coach then, now puts us in an awkward position with Marner

Not changing Marner then also puts us in an awkward spot this summer with him

 

[notbias]

Bert was effective, still wouldn’t bring him back at that cap hit

He played well below his hit and wasn't a playoff stud like many said he would be.

I see it as a "meh" signing and I agree with your assessment of not brining him back at that cap hit, not sure how you thought he was a good signing.

Edmundson is a good bottom pairing guy, depending on the price I would bring him back

We need offense somewhere on the backend and bringing back Edmundson seems pointless unless you are getting rid of Benoit.

Like I said, Klingberg was the right idea in my opinion but just the wrong player.

Samsonov deserved the chance to prove himself, a one year deal was a no brainer

I don't disagree with bringing him back, but he was brought back, so I think Treliving deserves the blame for bringing him back.

It is like people complaining about Sparks before, it was the right move but in hindsight it wasn't.

Reaves did just fine, no big deal there

I don't think he will get better with age, so my hope is they upgrade on him.

He was good in the 2nd half of the season but still was a liability in some games, so I'd like to eliminate that.

200k against the cap when buried is not a big deal, but I don't think he will be buried so I think he will just be wasted cap.

My hope is he focuses on speed more in the offseason and becomes a more effective forechecker.

Klingberg may have found his game here, look at Ekman Larsson. It was worth the shot on a 1 year deal.

I think OEL was serviceable, just overpaid.

Klingberg just wasn't good.

They have $20 mil, but a lot of spots to fill, so it’s not going to be easy

They don't have that many spots to fill, a lot are the same ones that were filled last year, so I hope Treliving does better.

If Dubas had just gone to arbitration with Sammy and signed a 1yr deal...you would be saying how smart Dubas was for not extending him to a multi year deal.

I agree with the signing, and I address it above, the signing was fine, but it is also on Treliving for it not working out.

Dubas walked away from Campbell because he had a few meltdowns during his tenure here. He especially shit the bed for a couple of months his last year here...that was not exactly rocket surgery on Dubas' part not to sign Campbell to a long term deal.

Samsanov was a goalie a team walked away from as well because of that reason.

You're writing fan fiction like I said by claiming that a specific GM would have for sure signed Samsanov long-term because history disagrees with you.

This is what kills me with you guys who saw Dubas as the savior....the same players signed by Tre that Dubas had signed are all of a sudden big mistake (Kampf, Sammy etc). Pick a lane man...pick a lane.

Kampf was fine and turned around his bad start, never had issues with his signing, I've always said I expected him to turn it around.

Addressed Sammy above.

The jury is still out for me when it comes to Tre...he made some good trades in Calgary but also some really dumb ones like the Monahan to Montreal deal....so I am still skeptical but hopeful that he can do the job. I know for sure that Dubas couldn't and he is proving it in Pittsburgh.

His time in Calgary is one of the worst of any GM I've seen, he has crippled that team for a long time by making them a team that is almost good enough to make the playoffs, and it is the reason he scares me.

But if you think his time in Calgary is a mixed bag, I guess we won't agree.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

He played well below his hit and wasn't a playoff stud like many said he would be.

I see it as a "meh" signing and I agree with your assessment of not brining him back at that cap hit, not sure how you thought he was a good signing.



We need offense somewhere on the backend and bringing back Edmundson seems pointless unless you are getting rid of Benoit.

Like I said, Klingberg was the right idea in my opinion but just the wrong player.



I don't disagree with bringing him back, but he was brought back, so I think Treliving deserves the blame for bringing him back.

It is like people complaining about Sparks before, it was the right move but in hindsight it wasn't.



I don't think he will get better with age, so my hope is they upgrade on him.

He was good in the 2nd half of the season but still was a liability in some games, so I'd like to eliminate that.

200k against the cap when buried is not a big deal, but I don't think he will be buried so I think he will just be wasted cap.

My hope is he focuses on speed more in the offseason and becomes a more effective forechecker.



I think OEL was serviceable, just overpaid.

Klingberg just wasn't good.



They don't have that many spots to fill, a lot are the same ones that were filled last year, so I hope Treliving does better.



I agree with the signing, and I address it above, the signing was fine, but it is also on Treliving for it not working out.



Samsanov was a goalie a team walked away from as well because of that reason.

You're writing fan fiction like I said by claiming that a specific GM would have for sure signed Samsanov long-term because history disagrees with you.



Kampf was fine and turned around his bad start, never had issues with his signing, I've always said I expected him to turn it around.

Addressed Sammy above.



His time in Calgary is one of the worst of any GM I've seen, he has crippled that team for a long time by making them a team that is almost good enough to make the playoffs, and it is the reason he scares me.

But if you think his time in Calgary is a mixed bag, I guess we won't agree.

Simple question for you....do you think Dubas should have stayed or do you think they should have gone for a different GM other than Tre? We know how you feel about Tre...but would you still rather keep Dubas over Tre?

 

[notbias]

Simple question for you....do you think Dubas should have stayed or do you think they should have gone for a different GM other than Tre? We know how you feel about Tre...but would you still rather keep Dubas over Tre?

Dubas over Tre?

100%.

Dubas staying?

He was better than a lot of options, but their changing the GM was fine.

I'd rather they tried to change the roster though instead of bringing in a new GM and keeping everything the same, the GM doesn't play.

 

[Trapper]

They have $20 mil, but a lot of spots to fill, so it’s not going to be easy

If the sign Bert/Domi to a rumoured 5 million each, that leaves 10 million with basically the same run it back.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Dubas over Tre?

100%.

Dubas staying?

He was better than a lot of options, but their changing the GM was fine.

I'd rather they tried to change the roster though instead of bringing in a new GM and keeping everything the same, the GM doesn't play.

As soon as Dubas even hinted at a roster change of some impact....he was cut short by Shanny. As much as I dislike a lot of the moves that Dubas made....I really, honestly believe that Shanny was pulling the strings behind the scenes. He was infatuated with this NuHockey style and was adamant on proving how smart the organization was.

I fault Dubas for primarily being in love with "meh" midsize players and giving them so many chances to succeed and having a stupidly short leash on players with size. He had small man syndrome and was dying to prove his point.

The paying of the players and all that could have been Shanny. I think he hired Tre because up until Pelley came on the scene...Shanny thought he could pull the strings for a long time to come.

 

[notbias]

As soon as Dubas even hinted at a roster change of some impact....he was cut short by Shanny. As much as I dislike a lot of the moves that Dubas made....I really, honestly believe that Shanny was pulling the strings behind the scenes. He was infatuated with this NuHockey style and was adamant on proving how smart the organization was.

I think time will tell, not sure either way honestly.

I fault Dubas for primarily being in love with "meh" midsize players and giving them so many chances to succeed and having a stupidly short leash on players with size. He had small man syndrome and was dying to prove his point.

He brought in a lot of players that contradict this, Muzzin, McCabe, Simmonds, Clifford, Acciari, ROR, Lub, and more.

I think he just looked for the best players available and a lot were undersized because good large players are generally the stars of their team.

It was the same with drafting, a combination of size and skill is largely gone in round one.

I also don't know how you have come to the conclusion that he has small man syndrome, isn't that normally reserved for small people?

The paying of the players and all that could have been Shanny. I think he hired Tre because up until Pelley came on the scene...Shanny thought he could pull the strings for a long time to come.

Leafs biggest issues is their players were good before they signed.

A lot of contracts people call discounts were just fair-valued contracts that aged well because the players got better.

Draisaitl for example was considered an overpay at the time if I am not mistaken. MacKinnon and Pastrnak were fair value.

I also think Lou and Babs are a reason for Marner's contract, as well as him putting up really good numbers.

Matthews was unfortunately just one of the best players in the league at the time of signing.

 

[socko]

His time in Calgary is one of the worst of any GM I've seen, he has crippled that team for a long time by making them a team that is almost good enough to make the playoffs, and it is the reason he scares me.

But if you think his time in Calgary is a mixed bag, I guess we won't agree.

Tre made Calgary softer and weaker in the playoffs. He kind of turned them into the Leafs. I'm very hopeful that he can do the opposite here. He had a first row seat of the result of trading for softer players. Now he can trade them away.

 

[hotpaws]

I think time will tell, not sure either way honestly.



He brought in a lot of players that contradict this, Muzzin, McCabe, Simmonds, Clifford, Acciari, ROR, Lub, and more.

I think he just looked for the best players available and a lot were undersized because good large players are generally the stars of their team.

It was the same with drafting, a combination of size and skill is largely gone in round one.

I also don't know how you have come to the conclusion that he has small man syndrome, isn't that normally reserved for small people?



Leafs biggest issues is their players were good before they signed.

A lot of contracts people call discounts were just fair-valued contracts that aged well because the players got better.

Draisaitl for example was considered an overpay at the time if I am not mistaken. MacKinnon and Pastrnak were fair value.

I also think Lou and Babs are a reason for Marner's contract, as well as him putting up really good numbers.

Matthews was unfortunately just one of the best players in the league at the time of signing.

who do you blame for these brutal moves among others last summer in Pitt , Shanny or Lou ?

- Jarry 5yrs x 5.375 m
- Greaves 6yrs x 4.5m
- Accari 3ys x 2m
- trading a 3rd for Smith
- trading a 1st and a 2nd for EK who had 4 yrs and 10m per left on his deal

 

[socko]

I also think Lou and Babs are a reason for Marner's contract, as well as him putting up really good numbers.

There is no way on mother Earth to make excuses for that Marner contract. It was so far out of whack with reality... To pay a small soft winger with a muffin shot, who is an RFA, as much as the best centers in the league, it was the stuff that legends are made of.

 

[Menzinger]

Overall fairly meh, with some cautious optimism towards the future.

He seemed to keep the smarter people in the front office in their jobs (Clark, Pridham), I liked the Domi and Burt gambles, and liked the Benoit signing. And getting Jones as the 3rd goalie was also nice. I also think he did fine sorting the Matthews and Nylander deals.

Then the team he put together also finished worse in the regular season and playoffs than the previous year..if results are the only thing that matters, that's not a good thing no matter how one wants to cut it.

He bets himself on Keefe, including going out of his way to extend him while then firing him before it even kicks in (not great foresight).

Berube seems like a good hire though, far as early offseason moves,.so I'm hoping things continue to pivot well for the team. But his runway is over now as far as excuses go; he's been on the job a year, and has the power to make bigger decisions if he needs to. Either he gets the team to where it needs to be, or he can join the guys like JFJ, Nonis in a long list of GMs who couldn't cut it.

 

[GoonieFace]

If the sign Bert/Domi to a rumoured 5 million each, that leaves 10 million with basically the same run it back.

No way I give Bert 5 mil. Domi maybe on a 1 or 2 year deal. They need big upgrades on D still and a goalie

 

[The Masters]

Had to have been Rick Moranis aka keith p meeting with him lol

https://x.com/i/web/status/1797427769116328331

 

[Mess]

What do you consider his best and worse move ?

Best way to define his 1st season on the job ...

Despite major challenges, Brad Treliving has passed all the test.

Which leads one to believe the best is yet to come.

 

[Racer88]

There is no way on mother Earth to make excuses for that Marner contract. It was so far out of whack with reality... To pay a small soft winger with a muffin shot, who is an RFA, as much as the best centers in the league, it was the stuff that legends are made of.

Just wait until the Leafs give him 12 plus on his next deal

 

[Trapper]

Just wait until the Leafs give him 12 plus on his next deal

 

[socko]

As soon as Dubas even hinted at a roster change of some impact....he was cut short by Shanny. As much as I dislike a lot of the moves that Dubas made....I really, honestly believe that Shanny was pulling the strings behind the scenes. He was infatuated with this NuHockey style and was adamant on proving how smart the organization was.

I fault Dubas for primarily being in love with "meh" midsize players and giving them so many chances to succeed and having a stupidly short leash on players with size. He had small man syndrome and was dying to prove his point.

The paying of the players and all that could have been Shanny. I think he hired Tre because up until Pelley came on the scene...Shanny thought he could pull the strings for a long time to come.

Yet Dubas has started to sink Pittsburgh just as bad. Jarry contract? Awful. Karlsson contract? Awful. I mean they weren't going to win another Cup anyway but Dubas is still going full Dubas making sure of that.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I expected him to be better than Dubas (admittedly a low bar) and he was, so satisfied to date but with higher expectations for the future.

He didn't trade away much in the way of picks (the people who look for negatives to use against him say he traded picks, while the others point out that he traded much lower picks than his predecessor, and with equal or better results).

The signings, on the whole, were positive.

The big negatives for me were not trading Marner before his NMC kicked in and keeping Keefe. He gets a bit of a Mulligan for Mitch because of the short window, and for Keefe because he did finally do it.

As I said pretty much from the start, I'll reserve judgement until after next summer.

 

[arso40]

I expected him to be better than Dubas (admittedly a low bar) and he was, so satisfied to date but with higher expectations for the future.

He didn't trade away much in the way of picks (the people who look for negatives to use against him say he traded picks, while the others point out that he traded much lower picks than his predecessor, and with equal or better results).

The signings, on the whole, were positive.

The big negatives for me were not trading Marner before his NMC kicked in and keeping Keefe. He gets a bit of a Mulligan for Mitch because of the short window, and for Keefe because he did finally do it.

As I said pretty much from the start, I'll reserve judgement until after next summer.

In fairness the consensus if a player was to be traded it would be nylander so I'm glad he didn't pull the trigger well see how he moves going forward

Yet Dubas has started to sink Pittsburgh just as bad. Jarry contract? Awful. Karlsson contract? Awful. I mean they weren't going to win another Cup anyway but Dubas is still going full Dubas making sure of that.

Just shows he learned nothing same thing he did here made a trade to add a player we already had like why trade for Karlsson when you have Letang unless your making a Letang trade for a different kind of defencemen

 

[Lightsol]

If Dubas had just gone to arbitration with Sammy and signed a 1yr deal...you would be saying how smart Dubas was for not extending him to a multi year deal.

Dubas walked away from Campbell because he had a few meltdowns during his tenure here. He especially shit the bed for a couple of months his last year here...that was not exactly rocket surgery on Dubas' part not to sign Campbell to a long term deal.

This is what kills me with you guys who saw Dubas as the savior....the same players signed by Tre that Dubas had signed are all of a sudden big mistake (Kampf, Sammy etc). Pick a lane man...pick a lane.

The jury is still out for me when it comes to Tre...he made some good trades in Calgary but also some really dumb ones like the Monahan to Montreal deal....so I am still skeptical but hopeful that he can do the job. I know for sure that Dubas couldn't and he is proving it in Pittsburgh.

I'm going to argue that the Monahan to Montreal deal wasn't entirely on Tre. Monahan BS'ed everybody about his plans (he kept saying he was retiring due to injuries), and the deal was made on the assumption that Monahan was retiring and thus Montreal would use him for LTIR like the Leafs do with some of their players.

There are very few outstanding GMs out here. Tre is not one of them. I don't think he is. We have not had one in a long long time, not for as long as I have been fan anyway. The guy showed his true colours with that ludicrous extension to Nylander. He is no better than the previous guy.

Personally, I think that Nylander contract is the beginning of the end. Though apparently a lot of people really want the core destroyed, I suspect it's going to domino into a series of moves that lead to the Leafs being where they were at the end of Sundin's contract (not good enough to make the playoffs, but too good to finish low enough to draft a franchise player), only with a much worse aging William Nylander.

 

[notbias]

I'm going to argue that the Monahan to Montreal deal wasn't entirely on Tre. Monahan BS'ed everybody about his plans (he kept saying he was retiring due to injuries), and the deal was made on the assumption that Monahan was retiring and thus Montreal would use him for LTIR like the Leafs do with some of their players.

0% chance this is true or Treliving is the worst GM alive.

If he was going to be LTIR and paid a 1st, he should never be a GM again

 

[All Mod Cons]

who do you blame for these brutal moves among others last summer in Pitt , Shanny or Lou ?

- Jarry 5yrs x 5.375 m
- Greaves 6yrs x 4.5m
- Accari 3ys x 2m for
- trading a 3rd for Smith
- trading a 1st and a 2nd for EK who had 4 yrs and 10m per left on his deal

Treliving

 

[thewave]

Just wait until the Leafs give him 12 plus on his next deal

At that point just take your Leafs Merch along with everyone else into the Leafs square and throw it in a pile and burn it.