Brad Treliving- 1st year complete.

[NVious]

Unless he gets rid of Marner/Tavares (at least one), this summer, total nothing, not a fail, but not a success.

Literally any person on this site could have this group lose in the 1st round every year.

 

[rumman]

He met my expectations because I expected him to be very "meh" and he was, he made the team slightly worse, and that is about what I expected.



He re-signed Nylander and Matthews to raises with full NMC, so it isn't like he evaluated before making long-term decisions... he made no big changes though, I agree.

He also should have had an excellent understanding of the personnel of the Leafs before coming here, he was a GM of an NHL team.

I am not sure why people think he came in completely blind to how the NHL worked, or what teams had what players and how they performed.



He hasn't looked good in years before last, that is the issue.

Keefe had Reaves playing great hockey, but he still cost the team on multiple occasions during the playoffs.

I think it just comes down to him not being great at hockey.



The GM gives the coach the goalies, and Samsanov was brought back by Treliving.

Not sure it was Keefe's fault for going with the goalie who was playing better down the stretch.



What was good about last season? He should have more time to improve the team, but we got worse last season.

Hopefully, he has a plan this year other than "snot", the Klingberg signing was the right idea but the wrong player.

"So far so good", how?



He still gave up 6 picks for fringe players.

Not terrible, but he brought in marginal upgrades which I think is a bigger waste than taking runs at impact players.

At least aim for guys who will be playing middle 6/middle pairing, not guys who could be healthy scratches some nights and no one would notice.

it's too nice a day to be arguing with you.......and it's raining where I live........

 

[Racer88]

He met my expectations because I expected him to be very "meh" and he was, he made the team slightly worse, and that is about what I expected.



He re-signed Nylander and Matthews to raises with full NMC, so it isn't like he evaluated before making long-term decisions... he made no big changes though, I agree.

He also should have had an excellent understanding of the personnel of the Leafs before coming here, he was a GM of an NHL team.

I am not sure why people think he came in completely blind to how the NHL worked, or what teams had what players and how they performed.



He hasn't looked good in years before last, that is the issue.

Keefe had Reaves playing great hockey, but he still cost the team on multiple occasions during the playoffs.

I think it just comes down to him not being great at hockey.



The GM gives the coach the goalies, and Samsanov was brought back by Treliving.

Not sure it was Keefe's fault for going with the goalie who was playing better down the stretch.



What was good about last season? He should have more time to improve the team, but we got worse last season.

Hopefully, he has a plan this year other than "snot", the Klingberg signing was the right idea but the wrong player.

"So far so good", how?



He still gave up 6 picks for fringe players.

Not terrible, but he brought in marginal upgrades which I think is a bigger waste than taking runs at impact players.

At least aim for guys who will be playing middle 6/middle pairing, not guys who could be healthy scratches some nights and no one would notice.

I get what you are saying about taking runs at impact players and I agree if we were contenders but with our wonky goal tending, suspect defense and the lack of meaningful playoff contributions from our core we are still a long way from being a contender

 

[IPS]

He bet on the core 4, just like dubas
He bet on a shit goalie, just like dubas
He bet on the same coach that couldn’t get it done, just like dubas

That's about where I'm at too.

The stubborn view of "I have to see it for myself" costed us a year for nothing. You have zero flexibility whatsoever to meaningfully modify the lineup with the core 4 and Rielly on his new extension.

 

[socko]

Tre literally had like 2 to 3 weeks to trade those guys before their NMCs kicked in and there is no way that Shanahan allows it. The jury finds him innocent.

He has however, made several bad trades with Calgary. Let's hope he's learning those lessons faster than Tavares.

 

[nuck]

He should have let Samsonov walk away for nothing and sign a UFA replacement?

I was never a big Sammy fan but I I don't believe any GM does that. Sammy was .919 in 40 games last season and Woll looking like he might be pushing to take the #1 spot. Him having a career worst season as a starter for a contender was not predictable. I expected somewhere between .910 and his .919 with Woll probably taking the net. Woll was the hope right? Too bad both goalies decided to crawl into the playoffs but JW was coming off that injury.

He should have dealt Willie as soon as he heard the salary demands before the season even started tho. You don't start your tenure letting the players run your ass the same as your failed predecessor.

 

[Mess]

I get what you are saying about taking runs at impact players and I agree if we were contenders but with our wonky goal tending, suspect defense and the lack of meaningful playoff contributions from our core we are still a long way from being a contender

You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done

Every gambler knows
That the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away
And knowin' what to keep
'Cause every hand's a winner
And every hand's a loser​

 

[Racer88]

Tre literally had like 2 to 3 weeks to trade those guys before their NMCs kicked in and there is no way that Shanahan allows it. The jury finds him innocent.

He has however, made several bad trades with Calgary. Let's hope he's learning those lessons faster than Tavares.

That’s true and in my world Shanny should have been fired 2-3 years ago

 

[notbias]

I get what you are saying about taking runs at impact players and I agree if we were contenders but with our wonky goal tending, suspect defense and the lack of meaningful playoff contributions from our core we are still a long way from being a contender

I don't see a reason to give up a bunch of picks (who cares what value the picks are, they are still of value) if you don't believe in the team.

It seemed like moves were made because they felt they needed to, but they didn't see anyone good to go after.

Either go for it or don't is my thinking.

it's too nice a day to be arguing with you.......and it's raining where I live........

translated, this means - "I can't dispute any of this"

You like the direction the team is going it appears.

 

[Racer88]

I don't see a reason to give up a bunch of picks (who cares what value the picks are, they are still of value) if you don't believe in the team.

It seemed like moves were made because they felt they needed to, but they didn't see anyone good to go after.

Either go for it or don't is my thinking.



translated, this means - "I can't dispute any of this"

You like the direction the team is going it appears.

Fair enough. I agree all picks have possible value and to waste them is a mistake.

 

[rumman]

I don't see a reason to give up a bunch of picks (who cares what value the picks are, they are still of value) if you don't believe in the team.

It seemed like moves were made because they felt they needed to, but they didn't see anyone good to go after.

Either go for it or don't is my thinking.



translated, this means - "I can't dispute any of this"

You like the direction the team is going it appears.

Nowhere to go but up……..

 

[57 Years No Cup]

That's about where I'm at too.

The stubborn view of "I have to see it for myself" costed us a year for nothing. You have zero flexibility whatsoever to meaningfully modify the lineup with the core 4 and Rielly on his new extension.

Of course, that's if we assume Tre was free to act and was not a puppet of Shanny, who's a puppet of the Corporate PC Hockey MLSE Board.

The rot starts at the top. Let's see if Pelley is a deeds not words guy.

 

[darrylsittler27]

He should have let Samsonov walk away for nothing and sign a UFA replacement?

Or trade.

Unless he gets rid of Marner/Tavares (at least one), this summer, total nothing, not a fail, but not a success.

Literally any person on this site could have this group lose in the 1st round every year.

When you look at all the picks traded and all the own rentals, anyone could have done a better job.

 

[Suntouchable13]

There are very few outstanding GMs out here. Tre is not one of them. I don't think he is. We have not had one in a long long time, not for as long as I have been fan anyway. The guy showed his true colours with that ludicrous extension to Nylander. He is no better than the previous guy.

 

[darrylsittler27]

There are very few outstanding GMs out here. Tre is not one of them. I don't think he is. We have not had one in a long long time, not for as long as I have been fan anyway. The guy showed his true colours with that ludicrous extension to Nylander. He is no better than the previous guy.

Tre hasn't proven anything. Everyone knew Keefe needed to be gone. By signing Samsonov and extending Keefe he wasted a year for no reason. Mainly in Toronto they have complete morons run the show. They like to trade stars for garbage. Courtnall, Rask,Steen, Verhaege,Kadri and Seguin and Hamilton for Kessel. Tre qualified with the Tcachuk trade, so naturally they hired him. Every GM does trades that are incredibly stupid.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

He should have let Samsonov walk away for nothing and sign a UFA replacement?

According to Dekes it was Tre's fault that Sammy was a fraud and didn't play well this season. I'm just glad that Dubas wasn't here to sign Sammy to the Tristan Jarry deal...that would have been fun.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I get what you are saying about taking runs at impact players and I agree if we were contenders but with our wonky goal tending, suspect defense and the lack of meaningful playoff contributions from our core we are still a long way from being a contender

I kind of like the attitude Tre had by not being a big time buyer like Dubas has been over the last few years. He was realistic and didn't look at things the way Dubas did...in a "vaccum" which led us to think if only a bounce went our way we would be like FLA....

 

[All Mod Cons]

He's got 4 more years to win a round. Clock will start in a couple of seasons.

 

[notbias]

According to Dekes it was Tre's fault that Sammy was a fraud and didn't play well this season. I'm just glad that Dubas wasn't here to sign Sammy to the Tristan Jarry deal...that would have been fun.

This.

It's why we signed Campbell to that 5x5 deal.

It was logical to bring Samsanov back, but, Tre should also take responsibility for him playing poorly, he brought him back.

I kind of like the attitude Tre had by not being a big time buyer like Dubas has been over the last few years. He was realistic and didn't look at things the way Dubas did...in a "vaccum" which led us to think if only a bounce went our way we would be like FLA....

6 picks were spent at the deadline still.

Those picks still have value.

And it was on fringe NHLers, an RFA that was healthy scratched in the playoffs, and a super long shot who if things go right, will be a #6 at best.

I am not seeing the argument of "ya, he wasted picks, but at least they were lesser picks", they are still wasted picks that hold value. Ignore the past GM and tell me it was a good deadline.

 

[Stephen]

That's about where I'm at too.

The stubborn view of "I have to see it for myself" costed us a year for nothing. You have zero flexibility whatsoever to meaningfully modify the lineup with the core 4 and Rielly on his new extension.

I feel more detached about this group and era.

If the core is so irredeemable and deserving of demolition we don’t really have a contending window anyway. So what timeline are we urgently trying to make work?

At this point Tre just needs to make sure the franchise is as healthy as it can be and doesn’t have to be hostage to any timeline. For any one player. Or group of them.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

This.

It's why we signed Campbell to that 5x5 deal.

It was logical to bring Samsanov back, but, Tre should also take responsibility for him playing poorly, he brought him back.



6 picks were spent at the deadline still.

Those picks still have value.

And it was on fringe NHLers, an RFA that was healthy scratched in the playoffs, and a super long shot who if things go right, will be a #6 at best.

I am not seeing the argument of "ya, he wasted picks, but at least they were lesser picks", they are still wasted picks that hold value. Ignore the past GM and tell me it was a good deadline.

Why should Tre take responsibility for Sammy being a headcase? He already thought Sammy could possibly be an issue and went the arbitration route with him...was he supposed to walk away because of some reason? He wanted Sammy to prove himself again before he would get a longer term deal and it worked out for the team by not doing what Dubas would have done. BTW....the reason Dubas signed Jarry to that deal was because there was a dearth of UFA goalies out there...so what was Tre supposed to do? I think he played it very well.

As for the picks that were "wasted"....I don't think they were wasted. All of the guys he brought in contributed and did what was expected of them. Very rarely do big deals at the TDL work out for the acquiring team...and Tre knew that so he didn't waste premium picks. I am glad someone finally has some sanity when it comes to the TDL.

 

[PromisedLand]

He didn't do anything absolutely STUPID (although both matthews and nylander contracts are a bit rich IMO). So I'd say he met expectations*

*: Can't really judge him until tavares (and hopefully marner soon) are off the cap.

 

[GoonieFace]

Indifferent first yet for Tre.

Some good moves: Domi, Bert, Benoit and Edmundson (hopefully he re-signs

Meh moves: Reaves, Dewar, Samsonov, Nylander and and Matthews contracts

Bad Moves: Klingberg (right idea, but unfortunately due to injury didn’t work out)

No complete land mines, so that’s a win.

This off-season is the tell tale sign

 

[notbias]

Why should Tre take responsibility for Sammy being a headcase? He already thought Sammy could possibly be an issue and went the arbitration route with him...was he supposed to walk away because of some reason?

Why should someone take responsibility for signing a headcase? Because they signed them.

As I said, it made sense to gamble on Samsanov, but he is still responsible for signing him, he could have easily walked away.

Washington walked away from him.

He wanted Sammy to prove himself again before he would get a longer term deal and it worked out for the team by not doing what Dubas would have done. BTW....the reason Dubas signed Jarry to that deal was because there was a dearth of UFA goalies out there...so what was Tre supposed to do? I think he played it very well.

We walked away from Cambell, history says that Samsanov wouldn't have been re-signed to a long-term deal, not that he would have, you are writing fan fiction to fit your narrative.

As for the picks that were "wasted"....I don't think they were wasted. All of the guys he brought in contributed and did what was expected of them. Very rarely do big deals at the TDL work out for the acquiring team...and Tre knew that so he didn't waste premium picks. I am glad someone finally has some sanity when it comes to the TDL.

His deadline made no sense to me and one player performed well.

He still spent 6 picks, and I think the best value from all those deals was Dewar (who if we have a good offseason will be the 13th forward).

He had a better idea at the beginning of the season by picking up Klingberg, although it was a dumb signing because Klingberg was no longer good, it was still the right idea. He abandoned that idea though and decided we no longer needed offense and we could win every game 1-0 based on his deadline.

Indifferent first yet for Tre.

Some good moves: Domi, Bert, Benoit and Edmundson (hopefully he re-signs

Can anyone explain the love for Edmundson or Bert? Bert performed under expectations and Edmundson was bad overall.

Benoit was good and Domi was great.

Meh moves: Reaves, Dewar, Samsonov, Nylander and and Matthews contracts

Samsanov was meh? How?

If Reaves takes up a roster spot and his full cap is on the books this year, I think we can call that a bad move.

Bad Moves: Klingberg (right idea, but unfortunately due to injury didn’t work out)

Klingberg hasn't been good for a long time, it wasn't due to injury.

No complete land mines, so that’s a win.

This off-season is the tell tale sign

He's left himself $20 million in cap again, has young talent, and some cheap contracts for once (thanks Hunter), hopefully, he does better this offseason.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Why should someone take responsibility for signing a headcase? Because they signed them.

As I said, it made sense to gamble on Samsanov, but he is still responsible for signing him, he could have easily walked away.

Washington walked away from him.



We walked away from Cambell, history says that Samsanov wouldn't have been re-signed to a long-term deal, not that he would have, you are writing fan fiction to fit your narrative.



His deadline made no sense to me and one player performed well.

He still spent 6 picks, and I think the best value from all those deals was Dewar (who if we have a good offseason will be the 13th forward).

He had a better idea at the beginning of the season by picking up Klingberg, although it was a dumb signing because Klingberg was no longer good, it was still the right idea. He abandoned that idea though and decided we no longer needed offense and we could win every game 1-0 based on his deadline.

If Dubas had just gone to arbitration with Sammy and signed a 1yr deal...you would be saying how smart Dubas was for not extending him to a multi year deal.

Dubas walked away from Campbell because he had a few meltdowns during his tenure here. He especially shit the bed for a couple of months his last year here...that was not exactly rocket surgery on Dubas' part not to sign Campbell to a long term deal.

This is what kills me with you guys who saw Dubas as the savior....the same players signed by Tre that Dubas had signed are all of a sudden big mistake (Kampf, Sammy etc). Pick a lane man...pick a lane.

The jury is still out for me when it comes to Tre...he made some good trades in Calgary but also some really dumb ones like the Monahan to Montreal deal....so I am still skeptical but hopeful that he can do the job. I know for sure that Dubas couldn't and he is proving it in Pittsburgh.