Injury Report: Boll out 3-4 Months UPDATE: OFF IR 3/19

[db2011]

Boll isn't that great defensively though. Neither was Dorsett.

Just because a player is physical or plays hard, that doesn't mean they are good defensively.

Also, skill players don't always disappear when it gets tough. What is this, Don Cherry time? Players like Dorsett are a symptom of a lack of depth, not because they are some important piece.

Goals are how you win games, meanwhile words like "spunk" and "grit" are sports slang for "not actually good enough."

See, this is where I really disagree. The roles that Dorsett and Boll play are real hockey, NHL grade roles. They aren't filling in for spots that would ideally taken by skill players, they are filling roles that need to be filled to ice a competitive team.

In other words, players like Dorsett are no way a symptom of a lack of depth. That's one-dimensional.

 

[Crede777]

In other words, players like Dorsett are no way a symptom of a lack of depth. That's one-dimensional.

I disagree. Any player can play "gritty" and "hard." That's kind of the bare minimum expectation of professional athletes. It's the ones who play hard but also put up points that are true NHL talents. Boll I have more respect for than Dorsett though. Dorsett, Marchand, Kaleta, etc. are just rats who need to be removed from the game.

You don't get a medal for trying hard, you get a medal for winning.

 

[db2011]

I disagree. Any player can play "gritty" and "hard." That's kind of the bare minimum expectation of professional athletes. It's the ones who play hard but also put up points that are true NHL talents. Boll I have more respect for than Dorsett though. Dorsett, Marchand, Kaleta, etc. are just rats who need to be removed from the game.

You don't get a medal for trying hard, you get a medal for winning.

Not every player can play "gritty" and "hard". And it's not the "bare minimum exptectation" either. Some guys are counted on to be elegant and dynamic.

There are skill players all over the world. You make it sound like guys who play the role Boll plays are just somehow hangers-on and not bona-fide, veteran NHL players. If a team wanted to ice just skill players, they've got leagues in Europe to pull from. But what happens when you're trying to protect a lead (like tonight) and all you've got is snipers?

It's like you either believe in 4th lines or you don't. And when you dismiss exceptional 4th line players for being 3rd line wannabes, you're showing you don't go for 4th lines.

 

[ca5150]

I agree with you, I prefer Boll to those three, right now. On the other hand, I'm one of those who would not sit MacKenzie to play Boll. Looks like we'll never agree 100% on anything!

I wouldn't sit MacKenzie to play Boll either, so we do agree! I would however sit Letestu

 

[VandyBuck]

Yes I am a Gaborik hater and the rest of you will be also when he leaves town at the trade deadline. Just like Carter and Foote. We gave Dorse away for nothing...

We gave away three crappy penalties a game for nothing???!?@?@ For shame, for shame. Dorse was awful. That's why he rode the pine in New York. If not for sentimentality getting in the way of hockey evaluation, he would have been out of this league a long time ago.

As for Boll, he's a hell of a forechecker and sets the tone in that dept. for the rest of the team. He will be missed.

 

[db2011]

We gave away three crappy penalties a game for nothing???!?@?@ For shame, for shame. Dorse was awful. That's why he rode the pine in New York. If not for sentimentality getting in the way of hockey evaluation, he would have been out of this league a long time ago.

As for Boll, he's a hell of a forechecker and sets the tone in that dept. for the rest of the team. He will be missed.

I live in New York and have Rangers fans for friends (I know, I know) and I can tell you you're dead wrong. You think people making their living evaluating hockey players let sentimentality affect their decisions? He was a sentimental favorite in Columbus and then became one in New York, and all the while he's a pretender at the NHL level?

Come on

 

[Nordique]

We gave away three crappy penalties a game for nothing???!?@?@ For shame, for shame. Dorse was awful. That's why he rode the pine in New York. If not for sentimentality getting in the way of hockey evaluation, he would have been out of this league a long time ago.

As for Boll, he's a hell of a forechecker and sets the tone in that dept. for the rest of the team. He will be missed.

No, don't agree at all. Dorsett is a pit bull, and a much more effective fore checker than Boll ever was. The guys we gave up for Gaborik were to some extent redundant, but that doesn't mean they are worthless.

 

[blahblah]

No, don't agree at all. Dorsett is a pit bull, and a much more effective fore checker than Boll ever was. The guys we gave up for Gaborik were to some extent redundant, but that doesn't mean they are worthless.

True enough. I've always like Dorse. However, I wish people would quit responding to ca. Regardless of how this experiment turns out, I won't hate Gaborik. He's done nothing wrong since he's been here. I wish he could have been in the lineup more; but him being here is not his fault.

If he wants to blame someone for the trade, it's JK/JD. To compare Gaborik to Foote or Carter is just crazy.

 

[ca5150]

True enough. I've always like Dorse. However, I wish people would quit responding to ca. Regardless of how this experiment turns out, I won't hate Gaborik. He's done nothing wrong since he's been here. I wish he could have been in the lineup more; but him being here is not his fault.

If he wants to blame someone for the trade, it's JK/JD. To compare Gaborik to Foote or Carter is just crazy.

People reply because it's fun to debate, nobody cares about all the posts that are right in line with everyone else. I'm in the minority. I wish he was in the lineup more too, then nobody would argue with me when he didn't produce and was invisible against top teams like Pitt, Anaheim, Detroit, etc.

 

[USNBluejack]

The reason I love this game is that it has "gritty" and "hard", but also "elegant" and "dynamic". That is what makes this game special to me. It has everything you could ask for in a sport. You will have guys that to one degree or another can do a bit of each, but you rarely get a jack of all trades. I love Boll, he plays his ass off. He drops em with anyone, and he does his job. I hope he is back soon. He isn't the greatest goon but he's our goon. And the guy handles the puck alright on the forecheck when it counts. That has been my assessment of him when I watch him. I think maybe in this higher and higher cap era, the guy like Boll gets a bit of a bad shake, but his role is still a important one on any team imo.

 

[plong123]

Just wanted to bump this thread because Boll's been skating, and it looks like he will return earlier than expected. Granted, not for another month, but, I've been thinking of him lately.

Since he's been out, it seems like we've really defined our team into what we are and what we're not. All of our guys battle hard. Everyone goes to the hard areas. Our best scorers are turning into our best forecheckers.

In trying to think of how JB fits into this team, it's suddenly come to me that he's a perfect fit for this team. He'll be part of the rotating cast of bottom pairing forwards and scratches, and he'll fit right back into this team heading forward. When a guy like Matt Calvert is really struggling like he is right now, you rotate Artie up to his line and plug Boll in and away we go. Etc, etc.

What's funny is that I came here to post the opposite opinion, and, upon deeper reflection, decided we really do actually miss him on the ice.

 

[1857 Howitzer]

Per Rimer Boll played a shift last night.

 

[ca5150]

Per Rimer Boll played a shift last night.

On the PK no less! haha

 

[Kev22]

Per Rimer Boll played a shift last night.

I caught that too and got a chuckle. I've convinced Rimer doesn't even know what comes out of his mouth anymore.

 

[theD86]

To me Boll could be traded. The CBJ don't really need him unless there's an injury.

 

[Kev22]

I wouldn't sit MacKenzie to play Boll either, so we do agree! I would however sit Letestu

I would make Boll earn his ice time. If our fourth line becomes ineffective, then maybe you let Boll out of the press box, but until that happens, there is no need for Boll. Don't fix what's not broken.

 

[ca5150]

I would make Boll earn his ice time. If our fourth line becomes ineffective, then maybe you let Boll out of the press box, but until that happens, there is no need for Boll. Don't fix what's not broken.

thanks for commenting something from Dec. 20 and shaking your little head. At the time Letestu was in the midst of a 39 game goal less streak. Now I would sit either Tropp or Comeau for Boll. Only 12 year old girls use emoticons...

 

[Kev22]

thanks for commenting something from Dec. 20 and shaking your little head. At the time Letestu was in the midst of a 39 game goal less streak. Now I would sit either Tropp or Comeau for Boll. Only 12 year old girls use emoticons...

Seriously, name calling? I thought you were better than that. I'll agree with you that if you want to Boll in, you have to sit Tropp or Comeau, although really neither one has done anything to deserve being removed from the lineup for Boll. I'll say that we'll never agree about Boll. He is a fighter with slightly above average skills. If you anticipate a game full of fights, then put him in, if not press box city. To have gotten the contract he did, he must have naked pictures of someone. 1.7M, smells buyout to me. How were the Jackets with Boll in the lineup this year? (7-11-3) How about since he's been injured? (22-12-2).

 

[ca5150]

Seriously, name calling? I thought you were better than that. I'll agree with you that if you want to Boll in, you have to sit Tropp or Comeau, although really neither one has done anything to deserve being removed from the lineup for Boll. I'll say that we'll never agree about Boll. He is a fighter with slightly above average skills. If you anticipate a game full of fights, then put him in, if not press box city. To have gotten the contract he did, he must have naked pictures of someone. 1.7M, smells buyout to me. How were the Jackets with Boll in the lineup this year? (7-11-3) How about since he's been injured? (22-12-2).

That's not a fair stat because the team as a whole was finding it's way still. Tropp was invisible tonight, got hammered against the boards. Everyone is falsely enamored by Tropp because he had one nice goal and a nice assist. Boll has never been a healthy scratch and wears an A on his jersey for a reason. When he's healthy, no way Tropp plays over him. He would have been a huge help last night and tonight, we needed a jump start and really could have used him. Also they were taking liberties both nights that I don't think happens with him in the lineup. You're right, we'll never agree, Boll is a line in the sand topic, either you believe in having a hard checking fighter on your team, or you don't, most on this site don't. We'll see what happens. I wasn't calling you a name, I just don't care for the shaking head thing, haha. No offense, my bad

 

[Fro]

Boll activated this morning off IR

 

[CBJWerenski8]

In before "another plug we can bench cam Atkinson for" posts.

Welcome back Jared

 

[Kev22]

I hope Richards thinks long and hard before putting Boll in the lineup, unfortunately I don't think that will happen. Having him in the lineup tomorrow against the Montreal Mini-Mites would be a mistake. Wait for the heavier teams.

 

[Columbus Mike]

I don't think he is an upgrade over anyone that was on the ice last night, or Cam. Please don't put him in the lineup now.

 

[EspenK]

Well if things aren't going well he can always start a fight to get the boys going. (Which I never quite understood but hey they all believe it so why not?)

 

[JacketFanInFL]

Glad he is okay, but I just am not seeing who he displaces on the roster.