Blues Trade Proposals Part 4

[Multimoodia]

Also I would like to thank my fellow Blues fans for ceasing to respond (or creating anew) to the various threads on the trade board.

I can now go there and snicker instead of wanting to claw out my own eyes.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Can we make a sarcastic blow it up thread after tonight's loss and accept every offer just to see what happens?

 

[sh724]

That statement is actually meant to reflect the will of the Ducks and not Getzlaf/Perry's feelings.

There is rumor (of which I can obviously give no credence to) which states the Ducks are more bullish on Perry than Getzlaf and if the choice comes down to signing one of them they will go for Perry.
I cannot imagine this, but I suppose stranger things have happened.

I think the reason they are more bullish on Perry is because the expect Getz to resign so they are not as concerned with Getz right now. They only have until the trade deadline to try to sign Perry if he is not signed within the month then there is a very real possibility that he gets moved. If Getz is not signed by the trade deadline is not too big of a deal because every one expects him to stay in Anaheim and they have until June 30th to get him signed.

 

[PocketNines]

Guess it just depends on how you interpret the evidence. If he goal totals and shooting % went down as well, then I would agree that he has declined and we shouldn't even bother asking for him. Since he is primarily a playmaking center and hasn't had a goalscorer to play with since Stewart, it makes complete sense that his assist totals would go up with better linemates.

Buy low, sell high, and if we can handle the salary, he is an easy buy low target asset wise. Stastny and Stewart would see improved production. We could also see Backes and Oshie see improved production because they wouldn't have to see top pairing defenders.

I wouldn't call Berglund + 1st for a little over one more overpaid year a "buy low" situation – that was how I jumped into the Stastny discussion.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I wouldn't call Berglund + 1st for a little over one more overpaid year a "buy low" situation – that was how I jumped into the Stastny discussion.

Ok. I wouldn't add that first, but I'd add a little to Berglund.

We should be more focused on Giordano or a similar type anyway.

 

[DatDude44]

A more offense oriented team that hasn't scored more goals than the Blues since the 2009/10 season... which would have been the last full season Stastny had even a half decent winger (Stewart).

I doubt Getzlaf will see FA, and if he does he is getting north of $7m. Any idea of getting Stastny revolves around the fact he is not getting anything close to $6.6m after his current deal is up.

I mean i was thinking more trade route because obviously there's no chance we'd get him if he hit the market. i'm sure toronto would offer a deal worth 9mill per year.

hypothetically (ofcourse)If somehow he'd agree to take a 6.5 mill deal for a couple years. Would you want him then? obviously anything above 7 mill is out of the realm of possiblity for a team like us.

 

[TheOrganist]

Stastny's market value and what a team would be willing to part with is hard to assess. A guy with an inflated contract based on point totals but someone who reeks of breaking out again with better linemates and a better coach. But not only do you have to give something decent to get him, if he breaks out he's a UFA in year and a half. All things being equal, there's no question the Blues would love a genuine playmaker who makes others better. That is an element severely lacking up front.

Put it this way: If the Blues were a Cap team that could 100% afford his next contract even if he were to put up huge numbers with the Blues, I think I could stomach what it would take in a trade to get him and I would love to acquire a guy with his skillset . I now return to reality.

 

[PocketNines]

Ok. I wouldn't add that first, but I'd add a little to Berglund.

We should be more focused on Giordano or a similar type anyway.

I agree, get a Giordano type player before this deadline; get your Stastny at next year's deadline. Solidify the D and find one goaltender who can pitch a regular .920 save percentage and the offense will be fine (Blues will get guys healthy too). Then you make sure you at least get to the second round for revenue's sake.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Offense wise, I think ideally we will learn if we can win with 3 "2nd lines" or if we need to invest in a legit contending 1st line. Hopefully we are fully healthy for the playoffs and can properly evaluate our needs. Maybe our finances will also be in place so that we Army can actually get players that fills our needs.

 

[DatDude44]

I agree, get a Giordano type player before this deadline; get your Stastny at next year's deadline. Solidify the D and find one goaltender who can pitch a regular .920 save percentage and the offense will be fine (Blues will get guys healthy too). Then you make sure you at least get to the second round for revenue's sake.

not to mention guys like schwartz, tarasenko, and cole will be improving alot over the next two years as well.

 

[Alklha]

I agree, get a Giordano type player before this deadline; get your Stastny at next year's deadline. Solidify the D and find one goaltender who can pitch a regular .920 save percentage and the offense will be fine (Blues will get guys healthy too). Then you make sure you at least get to the second round for revenue's sake.

Who can we move for Giordano though? They'll likely want Berglund or a boatload of prospects/picks.

I mean i was thinking more trade route because obviously there's no chance we'd get him if he hit the market. i'm sure toronto would offer a deal worth 9mill per year.

hypothetically (ofcourse)If somehow he'd agree to take a 6.5 mill deal for a couple years. Would you want him then? obviously anything above 7 mill is out of the realm of possiblity for a team like us.

Of course, you make room for him. If that means moving Berglund and a winger for futures, then you do it. Ducks are too good to consider moving him though, and while I'm not sure that Toronto would go as high as $9m as an UFA, you're right they'd offer him something crazy.

Offense wise, I think ideally we will learn if we can win with 3 "2nd lines" or if we need to invest in a legit contending 1st line. Hopefully we are fully healthy for the playoffs and can properly evaluate our needs. Maybe our finances will also be in place so that we Army can actually get players that fills our needs.

3 2nd lines is a decent plan if you have the players for it. We lack at least 1 centre, and Berglund probably isn't enough of a playmaker to be a great fit in it either.

 

[Multimoodia]

Can we make a sarcastic blow it up thread after tonight's loss and accept every offer just to see what happens?

"Help the Blues get the first overall pick"


Surely someone can queue this up.

 

[SirPaste]

Can we make a sarcastic blow it up thread after tonight's loss and accept every offer just to see what happens?

Haha, I like it.

 

[Blue Goose]

I agree, get a Giordano type player before this deadline; get your Stastny at next year's deadline. Solidify the D and find one goaltender who can pitch a regular .920 save percentage and the offense will be fine (Blues will get guys healthy too). Then you make sure you at least get to the second round for revenue's sake.

I see where you're coming from, and I would be inclined to agree, except for this:

Who can we move for Giordano though? They'll likely want Berglund or a boatload of prospects/picks.

We need a 1C and a 1LD (for lack of a better term). I'm finally at a point where I'm ready to deal ONE piece of our "core" - if so, would you rather deal that piece for the C or the LD? Personally, I think we can "solidify the D" without having to lose a member of the "core". For the sake of argument, let's say Berglund is the one to go - I'd much rather deal him for Stastny, and then use Dags/picks/prospects to get the LD (Tallinder, Klesla, etc). If we use the "core" player to get a high-profile LD (Giordano, Yandle, etc.), then we're not going to have a good enough package to get the 1C. Do you see what I mean?

Fun debate, though.

 

[bleedblue1223]

3 2nd lines is a decent plan if you have the players for it. We lack at least 1 centre, and Berglund probably isn't enough of a playmaker to be a great fit in it either.

Berglund isn't a playmaker, but neither is Backes, it's why he is a 2nd line player. Backes is a 1st line center because of his defensive capabilities, but for a contender, he isn't an ideal 1st liner. Steen has also shown that he is a 2nd line center, contrary to popular belief on HF. Steen didn't have a great start, but his faceoffs and center play as greatly improved, and the offensive production has consistently been there with him this season.

We lack a line that we can rely on night in and night out, and part of me believes that is something you need in the playoffs.

 

[bleedblue1223]

NHL 13 offered Hedman for Berglund with random crap added on each side. Why can't real life be that easy.

 

[Captain Creampuff]

I see where you're coming from, and I would be inclined to agree, except for this:



We need a 1C and a 1LD (for lack of a better term). I'm finally at a point where I'm ready to deal ONE piece of our "core" - if so, would you rather deal that piece for the C or the LD? Personally, I think we can "solidify the D" without having to lose a member of the "core". For the sake of argument, let's say Berglund is the one to go - I'd much rather deal him for Stastny, and then use Dags/picks/prospects to get the LD (Tallinder, Klesla, etc). If we use the "core" player to get a high-profile LD (Giordano, Yandle, etc.), then we're not going to have a good enough package to get the 1C. Do you see what I mean?

Fun debate, though.

This is my thinking as well. I would first like to get a line I can count on to record at least one point every night. I love that we have 3 lines that can score but the same line doesn't score every night and makes us a bit inconsistent, which is something this team needs to stray from because the story of this "core" screams inconsistency.

I would like to see our new owner put just a little bit more money into the team to make it a true powerhouse. If things played out like above our lines would be

Perron-Stastny-Stewart
Schwartz-Backes-Oshie
McDonald-Steen-Tarasenko
Sobotka-Nichol-Reaves

Tallinder-Petro
Jax-Shatty
Cole-Polak

Halak
Allen

Pressbox: Porter, Cracknell, Russell

Bergs+Conditional 1st if Stastny

Dags+pick and maybe even Elliott since Brodeur would be on IR for Tallinder

I know his contract is large but I'm sure being from St. Louis and knowing the deals Army can get with players we can get maybe 4 years for 4-4.5mil for Stastny when his contract comes up for renewel (Unless he performs better than expected obviously he would get more.) One thing this team needs is a true #1C playmaker. To say Hitch doesn't like playmaking centers is stupid, Hitch only dislikes players with poor work ethic, and right now the only playmakers we have are McDonald who is hurt all the time and is on a decline in his career and Schwartz who is still getting used to the NHL speed and physicality.

I'm not fixated on Stastny, however not many teams are just trading away players that are already either a #1C or can be one. And to acquire such a player we would have to give up more than anyone of us would want to give up. And I don't see Getzlaf going anywhere this year and even if we aqcuired him I doubt he would ever resign here because it sounds like he wants to stay somewhere in California.

But this post is just my hopes, dreams, and above all, opinion.

 

[sh724]

This is my thinking as well. I would first like to get a line I can count on to record at least one point every night. I love that we have 3 lines that can score but the same line doesn't score every night and makes us a bit inconsistent, which is something this team needs to stray from because the story of this "core" screams inconsistency.

I would like to see our new owner put just a little bit more money into the team to make it a true powerhouse. If things played out like above our lines would be

Perron-Stastny-Stewart
Schwartz-Backes-Oshie
McDonald-Steen-Tarasenko
Sobotka-Nichol-Reaves

Tallinder-Petro
Jax-Shatty
Cole-Polak

Halak
Allen

Pressbox: Porter, Cracknell, Russell

Bergs+Conditional 1st if Stastny

Dags+pick and maybe even Elliott since Brodeur would be on IR for Tallinder

I know his contract is large but I'm sure being from St. Louis and knowing the deals Army can get with players we can get maybe 4 years for 4-4.5mil for Stastny when his contract comes up for renewel (Unless he performs better than expected obviously he would get more.) One thing this team needs is a true #1C playmaker. To say Hitch doesn't like playmaking centers is stupid, Hitch only dislikes players with poor work ethic, and right now the only playmakers we have are McDonald who is hurt all the time and is on a decline in his career and Schwartz who is still getting used to the NHL speed and physicality.

I'm not fixated on Stastny, however not many teams are just trading away players that are already either a #1C or can be one. And to acquire such a player we would have to give up more than anyone of us would want to give up. And I don't see Getzlaf going anywhere this year and even if we aqcuired him I doubt he would ever resign here because it sounds like he wants to stay somewhere in California.

But this post is just my hopes, dreams, and above all, opinion.

And if Stastny does not rebound and continues his current production you just spent a first round pick and $4 million for 10 more points. I do not have a problem with going after statsny but the risk is too big for the Blues especially when you consider he might only be in STL for 1 year. If his play does pick up and he returns to his former self or better he is going to want a raise which the Blues really cannot afford and it would mean moving other assets to lower cost.

If COL wanted Bergy and a 1st I would much rather keep the pick, then take the $4 mil and upgrade the Defense. Then drop Russel and you have another $1.3 mil to spend. Of course this is assuming ownership has the extra money to spend.

 

[Captain Creampuff]

And if Stastny does not rebound and continues his current production you just spent a first round pick and $4 million for 10 more points. I do not have a problem with going after statsny but the risk is too big for the Blues especially when you consider he might only be in STL for 1 year. If his play does pick up and he returns to his former self or better he is going to want a raise which the Blues really cannot afford and it would mean moving other assets to lower cost.

If COL wanted Bergy and a 1st I would much rather keep the pick, then take the $4 mil and upgrade the Defense. Then drop Russel and you have another $1.3 mil to spend. Of course this is assuming ownership has the extra money to spend.

The first would be conditional if he resigned. Wouldn't be this years first. So if he didn't resign or we chose not to resign him for his demands, we don't give up the first.

 

[sh724]

The first would be conditional if he resigned. Wouldn't be this years first. So if he didn't resign or we chose not to resign him for his demands, we don't give up the first.

Since 2010 season started Stastny is averaging 58 points per game Bergy is averaging 47.5. If your spending $4 mil your going to expect more than 10 points. Even without the first I still think it is a bad deal for the Blues. If Statsny rebounds next year and if he appears to have returned to his normal self and it is close to the trade deadline then you can offer Bergy and a 1st but not for the Statsny that is currently playing.

Also we are going to be in the same division with them next year.

 

[Captain Creampuff]

Since 2010 season started Stastny is averaging 58 points per game Bergy is averaging 47.5. If your spending $4 mil your going to expect more than 10 points. Even without the first I still think it is a bad deal for the Blues. If Statsny rebounds next year and if he appears to have returned to his normal self and it is close to the trade deadline then you can offer Bergy and a 1st but not for the Statsny that is currently playing.

Also we are going to be in the same division with them next year.

He won't be available next year is the point. And even if he does stay an Av he would be 3rd line C again playing with even worse wingers.

Again you are talking about his contract. His contract won't go down anything and he can't change his past years stats so why keep spewing the same stuff over and over again. I don't care what points someone has put up, Stastny is far beyond a better player than Berglund.

 

[Blue Goose]

This is my thinking as well. I would first like to get a line I can count on to record at least one point every night. I love that we have 3 lines that can score but the same line doesn't score every night and makes us a bit inconsistent, which is something this team needs to stray from because the story of this "core" screams inconsistency.

I would like to see our new owner put just a little bit more money into the team to make it a true powerhouse. If things played out like above our lines would be

Perron-Stastny-Stewart
Schwartz-Backes-Oshie
McDonald-Steen-Tarasenko
Sobotka-Nichol-Reaves

Tallinder-Petro
Jax-Shatty
Cole-Polak

Halak
Allen

Pressbox: Porter, Cracknell, Russell

And that, my friend, is a fearsome lineup. Personally, I would rather have Russell paired with Polak though.

Bergs+Conditional 1st if Stastny

The first would be conditional if he resigned. Wouldn't be this years first. So if he didn't resign or we chose not to resign him for his demands, we don't give up the first.

I have a hard time believing COL would make the deal under a condition that might take more than a year to play out. I'd have no problem offering Ottawa's 2nd this year or our 1st in 2014 - no conditions at all. I firmly believe that we'd have an excellent shot to re-sign him, especially if he had an entire year in STL.

Dags+pick and maybe even Elliott since Brodeur would be on IR for Tallinder

Honestly, I've proposed a straight up Dags-for-Tallinder offer on two separate occasions, and both times had Devils fans agreeing to the deal since it was fair value and exactly what they were looking for in return for Tallinder - no reason for us to add. If NJ was intent on getting Elliott as well, I'd ask them throw in their 2nd in 2014.

I know his contract is large but I'm sure being from St. Louis and knowing the deals Army can get with players we can get maybe 4 years for 4-4.5mil for Stastny when his contract comes up for renewel (Unless he performs better than expected obviously he would get more.) One thing this team needs is a true #1C playmaker. To say Hitch doesn't like playmaking centers is stupid, Hitch only dislikes players with poor work ethic, and right now the only playmakers we have are McDonald who is hurt all the time and is on a decline in his career and Schwartz who is still getting used to the NHL speed and physicality.

True dat.

I'm not fixated on Stastny, however not many teams are just trading away players that are already either a #1C or can be one. And to acquire such a player we would have to give up more than anyone of us would want to give up.

Word.

And I don't see Getzlaf going anywhere this year and even if we aqcuired him I doubt he would ever resign here because it sounds like he wants to stay somewhere in California.

Yup.

But this post is just my hopes, dreams, and above all, opinion.

And, apparently, mine as well.

And if Stastny does not rebound and continues his current production you just spent a first round pick and $4 million for 10 more points.

Honestly, that's the exact kind of risk that every NHL GM takes when he pulls off a trade. Given the potential of the Perron-Stastny-Stewart line, I'd certainly take that risk.

Also we are going to be in the same division with them next year.

I'm starting to get tired of this argument. I can see not trading with Chicago/Detroit, but is the entire division off-limits? If we traded Nikitin within a 5-team division, why wouldn't we trade within a 7-team division? Are we supposed to shut ourself off from 1/4 of the league?

 

[Captain Creampuff]

I think the reason I am so focused on Stastny is because it's not everyday a center of his caliber comes into play. You can pretty much go through anyone's roster, and the only players who are an upgrade over our #1C are all untouchables. I just think it is much harder to find a #1 playmaking center than it is to find a LHD to play with Pietrangelo.

 

[Hooliganx3]

I think the reason I am so focused on Stastny is because it's not everyday a center of his caliber comes into play. You can pretty much go through anyone's roster, and the only players who are an upgrade over our #1C are all untouchables. I just think it is much harder to find a #1 playmaking center than it is to find a LHD to play with Pietrangelo.

Stastny hasn't really been a clear cut #1 center the last couple seasons. I just am not sold that he would automatically be what we need.

 

[Captain Creampuff]

Stastny hasn't really been a clear cut #1 center the last couple seasons. I just am not sold that he would automatically be what we need.

If we were a cap team what would you say about the proposal? Because it just sounds like everyone is playing the safe route because we are a budget team.