Blues Trade Proposals Part 4

[EastonBlues22]

Depends on the assets cost. The $ cost is only for next season, and could be absorbed by how we structure the RFA contracts. Any deal for Stastny would need to revolve around the fact he is willing to sign a long term deal in the summer at around $5m. Big salary drop, but in line with his production drop and he'd be coming home and to a young team looking to contend. I don't think it would be unrealistic.

Anything is possible I suppose, but that's not something that seems very likely to me. Even if Stastny wants to be here long-term (big assumption), what are the chances that he's going to be eager to lock himself into a long-term deal that cuts his salary ~25%?

 

[BlueBeard]

I have serious doubts if Statsny could waltz in here and score more than he has in years, while having to shoulder more of a defensive load than he does with the Av's.

 

[Captain Creampuff]

I'm not disagreeing with you, moving Berglund for him is certainly the preferable option, I just don't think is would be hugely realistic.

If the come back and say "Perron or no deal!" you would walk away?

I wouldn't trade Perron for Stastny straight up. Perron is already on a good contract as it is. However I don't think the Avs would say no to Berglund+a conditional for him. Mentioned in other threads, look what other upcoming UFA centers went for who are even better than Stas. Now with Berglund+conditional first they have a perfect 3C, yes they downgrade but free up some $$ and still have a reliable #3C. Then on top they would most likely get the 1st pick because with Stas already being from St. Louis and with his dad and all I could easily see him resigning here.

Ber+1st for Stas creates a shakeup and is great for both teams and they already have a trading history. I could see it happening.

 

[ExJbeck]

I wouldn't trade Perron for Stastny straight up. Perron is already on a good contract as it is. However I don't think the Avs would say no to Berglund+a conditional for him. Mentioned in other threads, look what other upcoming UFA centers went for who are even better than Stas. Now with Berglund+conditional first they have a perfect 3C, yes they downgrade but free up some $$ and still have a reliable #3C. Then on top they would most likely get the 1st pick because with Stas already being from St. Louis and with his dad and all I could easily see him resigning here.

Ber+1st for Stas creates a shakeup and is great for both teams and they already have a trading history. I could see it happening.

The rumor before the RoR offers sheet was that the Avs were not looking for a center in return. Obviously that can change though.

 

[PocketNines]

Berglund and conditional 1st is a bad deal for Stastny. Stastny's been a player in the 50s for awhile now. So you sacrifice a 1st and pay ~2M more on average for an extra few points and a player who's worse than O'Reilly defensively and therefore all-around? Why wouldn't they have just traded Berglund and a 1st for O'Reilly's rights if they wanted to get the better player at a cheaper pricetag? This whole thing was sparked by Andy Strickland thinking, "I know that guy! He knows me! I'm on his side. He can't be truly the player he's been for going on three years now! We should acquire him. I'll blog my thinking out loud. Blue's Clue's!"

 

[ExJbeck]

I'll blog my thinking out loud. Blue's Clue's!"

Pretty much the equivalent to truehockey!

 

[Captain Creampuff]

Berglund and conditional 1st is a bad deal for Stastny. Stastny's been a player in the 50s for awhile now. So you sacrifice a 1st and pay ~2M more on average for an extra few points and a player who's worse than O'Reilly defensively and therefore all-around? Why wouldn't they have just traded Berglund and a 1st for O'Reilly's rights if they wanted to get the better player at a cheaper pricetag? This whole thing was sparked by Andy Strickland thinking, "I know that guy! He knows me! I'm on his side. He can't be truly the player he's been for going on three years now! We should acquire him. I'll blog my thinking out loud. Blue's Clue's!"

Because Stastny is a much better play maker than Berglund will ever be. If you aren't willing to shell out 2mil for a true #1 playmaking C then I don't have hope for this cheap ass organization. Not only that but we wouldn't have to resign Berglund and can re-work Stastny's contract after it is up this year. We are the lowest paying team in the NHL and while I know we have some contract renewals but moving Berglund and not signing McDonald gives us more than enough room to have Stastny while resigning all of our other key players.

We didn't offer up Berglund and a 1st for O'Reilly's rights because of the money he was asking for and we weren't doing as bad as we are now so we didn't think a trade would be needed.

 

[BlueBeard]

Because Stastny is a much better play maker than Berglund will ever be. If you aren't willing to shell out 2mil for a true #1 playmaking C then I don't have hope for this cheap ass organization. Not only that but we wouldn't have to resign Berglund and can re-work Stastny's contract after it is up this year. We are the lowest paying team in the NHL and while I know we have some contract renewals but moving Berglund and not signing McDonald gives us more than enough room to have Stastny while resigning all of our other key players.

We didn't offer up Berglund and a 1st for O'Reilly's rights because of the money he was asking for and we weren't doing as bad as we are now so we didn't think a trade would be needed.

Hitch doesn't use centers as play makers so what's it friggin matter if Stastny is a better playmaker than Berglund? Berglund is better defensively, is better in front of the net and has a better shot than Stastny which is exactly what Hitch wants from his centers. If the team wanted a play making center wouldn't they just play McDonald there?

 

[PocketNines]

Because Stastny is a much better play maker than Berglund will ever be. If you aren't willing to shell out 2mil for a true #1 playmaking C then I don't have hope for this cheap ass organization. Not only that but we wouldn't have to resign Berglund and can re-work Stastny's contract after it is up this year. We are the lowest paying team in the NHL and while I know we have some contract renewals but moving Berglund and not signing McDonald gives us more than enough room to have Stastny while resigning all of our other key players.

We didn't offer up Berglund and a 1st for O'Reilly's rights because of the money he was asking for and we weren't doing as bad as we are now so we didn't think a trade would be needed.

He was asking for 5M a year. O'Reilly is better than Stastny. Stastny makes 6.6M. Even if you catch a break and get Stastny at 5M when he's UFA, O'Reilly is still the better player. You're not taking into account that Stastny's salary is absolutely part of the balancing aspect of the trade. He is clearly overpaid and that hurts his value. So I'm saying if the Blues weren't willing to upgrade from Berglund to O'Reilly (which would have been a better upgrade at both ends of the ice) by adding a first, why would they do this for Stastny who is not as good and costs more (and if lucky, costs eventually the same)? It's an overpayment. I know you said the Blues weren't playing as poorly when the O'Reilly situation was eventually resolved but that's factually not true.

Basically, if Stastny wants to sign a UFA contract when he's done with his deal, sign him to a solid deal then. If you're trading Berglund and a first I want a better player in return than Stastny.

 

[Alklha]

He was asking for 5M a year. O'Reilly is better than Stastny. Stastny makes 6.6M. Even if you catch a break and get Stastny at 5M when he's UFA, O'Reilly is still the better player. You're not taking into account that Stastny's salary is absolutely part of the balancing aspect of the trade. He is clearly overpaid and that hurts his value. So I'm saying if the Blues weren't willing to upgrade from Berglund to O'Reilly (which would have been a better upgrade at both ends of the ice) by adding a first, why would they do this for Stastny who is not as good and costs more (and if lucky, costs eventually the same)? It's an overpayment. I know you said the Blues weren't playing as poorly when the O'Reilly situation was eventually resolved but that's factually not true.

Basically, if Stastny wants to sign a UFA contract when he's done with his deal, sign him to a solid deal then. If you're trading Berglund and a first I want a better player in return than Stastny.

The O'Reilly situation is the simple fact that we couldn't go after a player on the basis of 1 season and pay him what he wanted. Taking on a bad contract, is simply taking on a bad contract. Signing a player to a big long term contract on the back of 1 season is sending a message to every rookie in our organisation.

Anything is possible I suppose, but that's not something that seems very likely to me. Even if Stastny wants to be here long-term (big assumption), what are the chances that he's going to be eager to lock himself into a long-term deal that cuts his salary ~25%?

Who knows really. That is something we'd need to find out prior to any deal. He must know for a fact he isn't going to be getting close to $6.6m from 2014/15 onwards. His production has declined significantly after going almost PPG over the course of his ELC. The question would be how much of a value he put on being back in St. Louis and playing on a team that looks built to contend for the duration of the contract.

 

[542365]

I wouldn't trade for Stastny, personally. Especially not if the price tag is Berglund and a 1st. I would certainly offer him a contract as a UFA, but not anywhere near 6.6M and I'm sure there will be at least a couple of teams desperate for a center that will offer him in that neighborhood. Unless he wants to take a serious home town discount, which I have no reason to believe that he does, Stastny is likely out of the equation. The contract and his declining production just does not make him a very enticing trade option.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Stastny in a place that he can win in and back with Stewart will likely get him back to his oldself again. It is not a coincidence that his production dropped when Stewart was traded. His goal scoring has stayed consistent, he just needs better linemates who can finish his setups, and Stewart has proven he can do that with him.

 

[Hooliganx3]

I wouldn't trade for Stastny, personally. Especially not if the price tag is Berglund and a 1st. I would certainly offer him a contract as a UFA, but not anywhere near 6.6M and I'm sure there will be at least a couple of teams desperate for a center that will offer him in that neighborhood. Unless he wants to take a serious home town discount, which I have no reason to believe that he does, Stastny is likely out of the equation. The contract and his declining production just does not make him a very enticing trade option.

I agree with this. Our fan base gets to fixated on certain players. Stats is not the same player he was and is not worth his contract.

 

[DatDude44]

stastny costs way to much for what we'd be getting. especially with what's gonna happen this offseason resigning u know who. not sure we can spend that much money on a center who's not terrible but not great defensively and hasn't put up great points in 3 years especially since he's on a more offensive oriented team.

I love stastny believe me but if were willing to spend that kind of money on a center, I say we go after getzlaf then. he's big, smart, unbelievably skilled and I couldn't even imagine how sick it would be to have maybe steen on his left wing and tarasenko on his right. Not to mention he's' got a mean streak.

 

[illninofan*]

Is Getzlaf even available? Anaheim is near the top of the conference, so I assume people are talking (purely) hypothetically.

If that's the case, then disregard this post.

 

[PocketNines]

Stastny in a place that he can win in and back with Stewart will likely get him back to his oldself again. It is not a coincidence that his production dropped when Stewart was traded. His goal scoring has stayed consistent, he just needs better linemates who can finish his setups, and Stewart has proven he can do that with him.

Possible, but you don't overpay for hope when the evidence speaks to the contrary.

 

[DatDude44]

Is Getzlaf even available? Anaheim is near the top of the conference, so I assume people are talking (purely) hypothetically.

If that's the case, then disregard this post.

there both UFA's at the end of the year. and all the talk that i've heard is if they had to choose, perry is the one they would keep. Nobody thought they would be as good as they've been but if they take a turn for the worse then they could possibly trade getzlaf at the deadline.

Im just throwing his name out there because he's exactly what i think we need up front and has a possiblility of being available. Also, no one has brought him up yet so i thought i'd try and spark up someone new to converse about

 

[Multimoodia]

Is Getzlaf even available? Anaheim is near the top of the conference, so I assume people are talking (purely) hypothetically.

If that's the case, then disregard this post.

Getzlaf is a UFA at the end of the season and some are a bit surprised he has not signed yet. Particularly in light of the fact that he has long professed his desire to stay in southern California (with the Ducks).

The fly in the ointment is Perry who has always been relatively mum on the issue (as he is on most things) and has never really given a case of the warm-fuzzies to the Ducks' fans.

The concern here is that Getzlaf is a good friend of Perry and as a result they may want to continue playing together. So if Perry leaves...Getzlaf might as well.



My hope is Perry signs on some team that cannot also afford Getz, Getz becomes disillusioned and signs with the Blues after the Taylors decide to throw in another 20 million to the budget for Stillman.
The Blues then finally have their #1 center, pushing Backes, Berglund and Steen in to more usable positions (#2, #3 centers and Left Wing respectively) followed by the Blues signing Ladislav Smid.




Notice I did not say my hope is reasonable.

 

[Hooliganx3]

there both UFA's at the end of the year. and all the talk that i've heard is if they had to choose, perry is the one they would keep. Nobody thought they would be as good as they've been but if they take a turn for the worse then they could possibly trade getzlaf at the deadline.

Im just throwing his name out there because he's exactly what i think we need up front and has a possiblility of being available. Also, no one has brought him up yet so i thought i'd try and spark up someone new to converse about

I've heard exactly the opposite and that Perry will most likely test the market and Getzlaf likes playing in the LA area and would like to resign.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Possible, but you don't overpay for hope when the evidence speaks to the contrary.

Guess it just depends on how you interpret the evidence. If he goal totals and shooting % went down as well, then I would agree that he has declined and we shouldn't even bother asking for him. Since he is primarily a playmaking center and hasn't had a goalscorer to play with since Stewart, it makes complete sense that his assist totals would go up with better linemates.

Buy low, sell high, and if we can handle the salary, he is an easy buy low target asset wise. Stastny and Stewart would see improved production. We could also see Backes and Oshie see improved production because they wouldn't have to see top pairing defenders.

 

[Alklha]

stastny costs way to much for what we'd be getting. especially with what's gonna happen this offseason resigning u know who. not sure we can spend that much money on a center who's not terrible but not great defensively and hasn't put up great points in 3 years especially since he's on a more offensive oriented team.

I love stastny believe me but if were willing to spend that kind of money on a center, I say we go after getzlaf then. he's big, smart, unbelievably skilled and I couldn't even imagine how sick it would be to have maybe steen on his left wing and tarasenko on his right. Not to mention he's' got a mean streak.

A more offense oriented team that hasn't scored more goals than the Blues since the 2009/10 season... which would have been the last full season Stastny had even a half decent winger (Stewart).

I doubt Getzlaf will see FA, and if he does he is getting north of $7m. Any idea of getting Stastny revolves around the fact he is not getting anything close to $6.6m after his current deal is up.

 

[ManyIdeas]

Notice I did not say my hope is reasonable.

I will treat it as the Bible.

 

[Multimoodia]

I've heard exactly the opposite and that Perry will most likely test the market and Getzlaf likes playing in the LA area and would like to resign.

That statement is actually meant to reflect the will of the Ducks and not Getzlaf/Perry's feelings.

There is rumor (of which I can obviously give no credence to) which states the Ducks are more bullish on Perry than Getzlaf and if the choice comes down to signing one of them they will go for Perry.
I cannot imagine this, but I suppose stranger things have happened.

 

[sh724]

Stastny is no where near worth Bergy and a first especially at his contract. Over he past 2 years Stats has 20 more points. A first round pick and the four million in salary difference is not worth 10 points a year. Even if you take out the pick your spending $400k a point. If the difference between Berglund and a first line center is 10 points a year I would prefer not to get a first line center. Of course Berglund's contract is up at the end of the year so going forward it will not be a 4 mil difference but you cant speculate about future salary.

Sure it is possible for Stats to come here and be put on a line with Stewart and pick up his scoring to where it was a couple years ago, but Bergy and a 1st is to much of a risk in hopes that Stats returns to his former self.

Also saying that the moving of Amac and Bergy should make up the salary difference but teams do not think like that, chances are managment has already determined how to spend the money from Amac. Teams do not look at things in a bubble they are always planning for the future and are already determining how the team is going to look next year. If you spend Amac's money on Stats then you are taking it away from other areas it could be spent.

Would Stats be an upgrade at center? Yes. Would Stats make the Blues a better team? Yes. Is stats + $4 mil in salary increase worth losing bergy + a first? I have to say No.

And finally nothing to do with Stastny but the Blues are no longer last in the cap this year, the Blues are now ahead of PHX.

 

[Blue Goose]

Stastny in a place that he can win in and back with Stewart will likely get him back to his oldself again. It is not a coincidence that his production dropped when Stewart was traded. His goal scoring has stayed consistent, he just needs better linemates who can finish his setups, and Stewart has proven he can do that with him.

This.
Many trades are made in this league with the idea that a change in scenery will jump-start a player's production, and Stastny is a perfect candidate for that. No other team is trading their #1C without getting a king's ransom in return - the idea is that we find a team that may have a 2C that's expendable, who could step in and be our 1C - again, Stastny seems ideal. Hence, the "fixation" on this player.

The 6.6M doesn't worry me, since there's only one more year on the deal (it's not like dealing for Lecavalier, etc.). If Stastny was a UFA this summer, it'd be a different story. The fact that he has that one more year leads me to believe that if we got him near the deadline, and he went through a playoff run AND another season, we'd be in a position next year to either: a.) re-sign him for less than 6.6M; b.) trade him at next year's deadline if he doesn't fit.