Blues Trade Proposals Part 4

[bleedblue1223]

Again, keep crazy ideas in here first, then take them to the main.

 

[Alklha]

This team needs a major shake up. What do you guys think we could get for either Oshie or Perron? Out of all of our core I think those 2 are the most that would create the biggest shake up and garner the biggest return. I say those 2 because we obviously won't trade pie or shatty, Backes is our captain and I do not want to see us give up Bergy.

Oshie fits our system perfectly and has been playing well. He only gets moved for a clear overpayment. I could see Perron being moved to address needs, but we'll see.

Difficult to make moves right now, and by the time the trade market starts to open up, we'll hopefully have some players back.

Again, keep crazy ideas in here first, then take them to the main.

Please. I can't stay away from the Blues threads in the trade forum and almost all are brutal.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

The Blues shakeup thread is terrible. Anyone else really tired of fans (normally Philly fans) ignoring the fact that Petro/Shaty untouchable?

 

[Alklha]

The Flyers are pretty desperate though

We are in a bit of a problem when it comes to trades at the moment though, and I don't think some of our own fans appreciate this. We might have "depth" at wing, but that depth is all in the NHL and needed because our depth is the only thing that makes us a contender. We have nobody in the AHL who projects as much of anything other than Jake Allen. That changes next year and gives us more flexibility moving forward.

Right now, if we project our line up for next season with appropriate contract extensions, we'd be at around $55.5m cap hit and $56m in real $, with one depth forward and a top pairing LHD needed. Taking on salary in a deal beyond this season is problematic.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I think we should be looking at a 2 for 1 type deal and transitioning to more of a traditional 3rd line. Perron and Berglund for a top center for example. That way we don't really have to add salary, and we can get that impact offensive player. Pipe dream would be those 2 for Backstrom, although Washington is looking like they are recovering.

The big thing though is finding a trade partner and getting a deal done in time. We might have to wait till summer to get a major deal.

 

[Blanick]

I really think we need to give up this dream of getting a true #2 LHD for Pietrangelo's partner. The only way its gonna happen is if we draft and develop him.

I really don't like Russell even with his strong season last year I would take Nikitin back in a heartbeat. I think that trade was the only black mark on Armstrongs resume so far.

So if we can't get a real #2 how about a guy that can stabilize the left side a bit so we don't have to start everygame as -1 due to the inevitable Russell/Redden turnover.

One guy I would target once he returns from injury is David Schlemko. You never really hear about the guy but he has been solid as a defensive dman for a couple of years in PHX (never been (-) player for the season I believe). He logs about 16-17 minutes of TOI per game but is still young (25) and could handle more but is stuck behind superior players (OEL, Yandle and soon Gormley). Lastly he is player that we could probably get for draft picks which Army has said several times are the pieces he is looking to move.

One of our 2nds for Schlemko?

What do you guys think?

D-corps

Schlemko/Cole - Pietrangelo
Jackman - Shattenkirk
Cole/Schlemko - Polak

 

[Falco Lombardi]

I really think we need to give up this dream of getting a true #2 LHD for Pietrangelo's partner. The only way its gonna happen is if we draft and develop him.

I really don't like Russell even with his strong season last year I would take Nikitin back in a heartbeat. I think that trade was the only black mark on Armstrongs resume so far.

So if we can't get a real #2 how about a guy that can stabilize the left side a bit so we don't have to start everygame as -1 due to the inevitable Russell/Redden turnover.

One guy I would target once he returns from injury is David Schlemko. You never really hear about the guy but he has been solid as a defensive dman for a couple of years in PHX (never been (-) player for the season I believe). He logs about 16-17 minutes of TOI per game but is still young (25) and could handle more but is stuck behind superior players (OEL, Yandle and soon Gormley). Lastly he is player that we could probably get for draft picks which Army has said several times are the pieces he is looking to move.

One of our 2nds for Schlemko?

What do you guys think?

D-corps

Schlemko/Cole - Pietrangelo
Jackman - Shattenkirk
Cole/Schlemko - Polak

I like Schlemko. I'd ok with this. If we could find another Cole, I would be ok with it and I think Schlemko could be that.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

Someone on the trade forum thinks Oshie + Shattenkirk for Couts + Coburn is a good deal for the Blues. I vehemently disagree.

Thoughts? I admit to being in a really bad mood this morning so maybe I'm not thinking logically but this seems absolutely terrible. Anyone else recall how horrific we were at moving the puck before Shatty got here?

 

[Alklha]

I like Schlemko, but I wouldn't give up a second. I am fully on board that we need a complimentary player to partner Pietrangelo, rather than another high end guy. At the same time, we can't give up decent assets for pretty average players and hope they mesh well.

Maybe D'Agostini & 5th for Schlemko at the deadline? Worst case scenario is that he is a decent depth player going forward.

As unrealistic as it will probably be, I would love to get Šmíd in the summer. $3.8m for 7 years, won't be the best offer on the table (maybe Sobotka or Stewart could talk to him!), but I think he would be ideal for Petro. St. Louis is a more attractive destination for players than we realise sometimes; decent tax, less media pressure, nice place to live etc.

Someone on the trade forum thinks Oshie + Shattenkirk for Couts + Coburn is a good deal for the Blues. I vehemently disagree.

Thoughts? I admit to being in a really bad mood this morning so maybe I'm not thinking logically but this seems absolutely terrible. Anyone else recall how horrific we were at moving the puck before Shatty got here?

That is terrible. Shattenkirk for Coburn isn't close, and Couts doesn't project to be much more than an excellent #2C with the same offensive potential that Oshie is currently showing. Wouldn't go anywhere near that. It doesn't help us now, and it is unlikely we'd be better in 5 years from it either.

 

[Captain Creampuff]

Someone on the trade forum thinks Oshie + Shattenkirk for Couts + Coburn is a good deal for the Blues. I vehemently disagree.

Thoughts? I admit to being in a really bad mood this morning so maybe I'm not thinking logically but this seems absolutely terrible. Anyone else recall how horrific we were at moving the puck before Shatty got here?

We don't need more center depth we need a number one playmaking center who can be a game changer and that isn't Couts.

 

[Lord Helix]

I'm just going to say this...Anyone who thinks Berglund is the one who needs to go, they need to re-watch last night's game. It's easy to see that Berglund understands his role on the forecheck and throughout the neutral zone. He's not the problem.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

I'm just going to say this...Anyone who thinks Berglund is the one who needs to go, they need to re-watch last night's game. It's easy to see that Berglund understands his role on the forecheck and throughout the neutral zone. He's not the problem.

I tend to agree with you. The centers are not the issue with this team. And while's been pretty consistent all year, TJ Oshie has played pretty poorly over the last few games.

All that said, I think the problem is a guy who plays on the LW and wears a jersey number that is equivalent to product of 19 x 3....

 

[Honeycutt]

I tend to agree with you. The centers are not the issue with this team. And while's been pretty consistent all year, TJ Oshie has played pretty poorly over the last few games.

All that said, I think the problem is a guy who plays on the LW and wears a jersey number that is equivalent to product of 19 x 3....

Perron had a hand in three of our goals last night. Oshie was flopping around on the ice while the kings scored goals.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

Perron had a hand in three of our goals last night. Oshie was flopping around on the ice while the kings scored goals.

I was talking about the season as a whole.

Last night you are correct however.

 

[GrandPapillon*]

I tend to agree with you. The centers are not the issue with this team. And while's been pretty consistent all year, TJ Oshie has played pretty poorly over the last few games.

All that said, I think the problem is a guy who plays on the LW and wears a jersey number that is equivalent to product of 19 x 3....

The guy with 3 goals and an assist in the last 5 games is clearly the problem.


When the Blues were up 4-1 no one was crucifying Perron. When the team turned to crap behind Halak who was 100% crap, here come the loony "Perron is the problem" posters.

I don't know if he stole people's girlfriends, kicked their puppies, or declined them autographs, but for any rational hockey fan to watch the last few Blues games and think that Perron is the problem here is laughable. Seriously stop embarrassing yourselves.

 

[ExJbeck]

I'm just going to say this...Anyone who thinks Berglund is the one who needs to go, they need to re-watch last night's game. It's easy to see that Berglund understands his role on the forecheck and throughout the neutral zone. He's not the problem.

I'm not saying Berglund needs to go, but at this point in his career it would be best if the Blues had a #1 C to push everyone down a spot. Berglund has looked the same all season except for a 3-4 game stretch where he was lighting it up. He has terrible awareness and sets a new precedent for how slow a player should skate. He has less assists then Christ Stewar,t who until recently may have been the worst passer on the Blues. Not sure if anyone remembers, but during the powerplay last night Berglund was out between Oshie and Petro for some reason. Oshie should have been able to give Petro a one timer but the Berg was in the way so then Berg takes the puck and slides the easiest/slowest one time pass of all time to read. You can't do that on the PP or in the NHL even, you just can't. And generally when the other team has zone time against Berglund's line, you can't count on him to lose his assignment.

The worst thing for me about him is that I just don't see that he will improve. The things I look for him to do better he never does. Anyone who takes time to analyze Berglunds play knows he makes the same mistake over and over. The sign of a player just not having what it takes.

 

[Lord Helix]

I'm all for upgrading Berglund...But people are trying to ship him and Perron out for the hell of it. If we had another legitimate center, Berglund would be lethal due to matchup problems.

 

[Alklha]

NYR claims Hamrlík. It would suggest that we didn't put in a claim, but I'm not exactly sure from what point the calculate the standings.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

The guy with 3 goals and an assist in the last 5 games is clearly the problem.


When the Blues were up 4-1 no one was crucifying Perron. When the team turned to crap behind Halak who was 100% crap, here come the loony "Perron is the problem" posters.

I don't know if he stole people's girlfriends, kicked their puppies, or declined them autographs, but for any rational hockey fan to watch the last few Blues games and think that Perron is the problem here is laughable. Seriously stop embarrassing yourselves.

He's in the midst of one his good stretches, but he's not been consistent overall.

If it's between him and Oshie, are you trading Oshie then?

 

[bleedblue1223]

Whoever gets traded, it will be because of how they are off the ice. No one has been noticeably better or worse than anyone else. It will as come down to what the other team wants.

 

[GrandPapillon*]

I am in no hurry to trade anyone as a reactionary move to a game where the goaltending was terrible in a season where the goaltending has been even worse.

I will say that the Blues are deeper at RW than LW and deeper in two-way forwards than dynamic offensive players.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I am in no hurry to trade anyone as a reactionary move to a game where the goaltending was terrible in a season where the goaltending has been even worse.

I will say that the Blues are deeper at RW than LW and deeper in two-way forwards than dynamic offensive players.

Last nights game is not the sole reason to make a move.

 

[GrandPapillon*]

Last nights game is not the sole reason to make a move.

The Blues don't currently have a goalie on their roster who is averaging 9 saves for 10 shots against. I really wouldn't put too much blame on the forwards. If they are "cheating" it is probably because they know if the Blues give up more than 20 shots against, they'll need to score 4 goals (or more) to win.

 

[bleedblue1223]

The Blues don't currently have a goalie on their roster who is averaging 9 saves for 10 shots against. I really wouldn't put too much blame on the forwards. If they are "cheating" it is probably because they know if the Blues give up more than 20 shots against, they'll need to score 4 goals (or more) to win.

I don't have time to get into anything major, but you can't look at goalies stats like that. Halak, like most goalies, plays better when he faces a lot of shots.

 

[GrandPapillon*]

I don't have time to get into anything major, but you can't look at goalies stats like that. Halak, like most goalies, plays better when he faces a lot of shots.

You absolutely can.

Halak managed to save more than 9 out of 10 shots last season behind the same team (as did Elliott). And if the team in front of them is the problem this year, they probably saw less shots last year which blows your shots against hypothesis out of the water.

Further, If Halak needs to see 30 shots a game to play decently, he isn't the best fit for the system