Blue Jays Discussion: Blue Jays acquire TROY TULOWITZKI... did I mention his idol is Derek Jeter?

[Joel Ward]

Defensively Tulo is a pretty strong upgrade over Reyes, although like Reyes he's a great SS more because of his bat, no so much his glove. From 2013-2015 Reyes is a -7.1UZR/150 compared to Tulo being a +2.7.

This year Tulo is -7.7 compared to Reyes at -6.6, so that could suggest Tulo is in a defensive decline, but using UZR over a half season is usually never a good idea.

If you want to go with more traditional stats, Tulo has 8 errors all season (in more games played), while Reyes has 8 errors in July alone. Reyes has been in a defensive nightmare lately, and while I don't think those awful numbers are sustainable, I do think it's a sign he's regressing to the point of being one of the worst defensive shortstops in the league. Right now Reyes has a .953 fielding percentage - the worst of his career while Tulo is at .977.

In short they are going from a below average / bad fielding shortstop to probably average, but Tulo's bat and power is where they probably get even more value. Reyes can't hit with **** from the right side anymore either, so calling him a switch hitter is a bit generous. It does suck that we are losing a left handed bat with speed though.

In a way this move is like stepping in a time machine going back to 2013 -- Reyes 2.0. It was pretty clear Reyes was regressing, so they take on a very similar shortstop to Reyes (just more power, less speed) in 2013 and hopefully they get more than 2 years out of Tulo before massive regression starts to sink in.

Thanks!

 

[LaCarriere]

Love this trade.

I wonder if Votto can come via trade involving Bautista + Encarnacion.

I think a top 5 of

Travis
Donaldson
Votto
Tulowitzki
Martin

looks better than

Travis
Donaldson
Bautista
Encarnacion
Martin

Less HRs but higher avg hitting.

Fantasy aside, PLEASE re-sign Anthopoulous. I don't think the Jays organization will be able to find anyone to top him any time soon.

why on earth would Bautista/EE waive their 5/10 rights to go to a non contender? They are on a team in the hunt for a wildcard / division title and they have the right to refuse any trade, but they'd waive that right to go to the Reds of all teams?

Newsflash: EE and Bautista are not going anywhere. Can we please stop the ridiculous, nonsensical trade ideas?

 

[Woodman19]

Most underrated part of this deal is the defensive upgrade we just got.

Holy ****, what a surprise to wake up to!

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

 

[shaner8989]

Never been so pumped

Hate Reyes.
Love Tulo

Best left side in baseball

 

[Woodman19]

Also, just removed 1 more from the questionable attitude group.

Hell, just go all in and go get a starter.

 

[mikebel111*]

Most underrated part of this deal is the defensive upgrade we just got.

Holy ****, what a surprise to wake up to!

We also improved our bullpen in the process
Losing Hoffman stings but AA can get potentially another Hoffman in next years draft. One thing about AA he gets the farm back up pretty quickly

 

[beer123]

why on earth would Bautista/EE waive their 5/10 rights to go to a non contender? They are on a team in the hunt for a wildcard / division title and they have the right to refuse any trade, but they'd waive that right to go to the Reds of all teams?

Newsflash: EE and Bautista are not going anywhere. Can we please stop the ridiculous, nonsensical trade ideas?

I'm just thinking long term, mayne. It's OK for fantasy trade ideas in here

Potential lineup for tomorrow:

Travis
Donaldson
Bautista
Tulowitzki
Encarnacion
Smoak
Martin
Colabello
Pillar

That is sick.

 

[AkiBerg]

Great news to start today, not only is Tulo much better than Reyes he is also 2 million cheaper, 2 years younger and signed 2 years longer(could not be a good thing but lets hope). This teams offense is crazy, hope Troy stays healthy and kills it for the Jays.

Also id imagine AA has more up his sleeve, Jays are going for it.

 

[Longshot]

This is a joke right?

They manage to trade Hoffman and Castro and don't get a pitcher of consequence?

The key player in the deal is a SS with an injury history and horrible contract?

How does this help the starting pitching problems?

How does this help the bullpen problems?

Tulo may be an upgrade over Reyes, but this does absolutely nothing to help the underlying issues with this roster.

I'm at a loss for words with this deal.

 

[LaCarriere]

Also, just removed 1 more from the questionable attitude group.

Hell, just go all in and go get a starter.

I could never figure Reyes out, to be honest, in terms of leadership or attitude.

For some reason it always bugged me to see him sitting in the dugout with a smile on his face laughing and eating seeds while he's on his annual DL stint, and the team is in the middle of a slump.

Maybe it's a good thing to be able to be positive all the time, but at the same time I kind of expect a veteran leader making 22M to take things a little more seriously some times.

It bugs me because I know I'd be smiling all the time too if I was making 22M to not play half the time with a front row seat to every game.

 

[LaCarriere]

This is a joke right?

They manage to trade Hoffman and Castro and don't get a pitcher of consequence?

The key player in the deal is a SS with an injury history and horrible contract?

How does this help the starting pitching problems?

How does this help the bullpen problems?

Tulo may be an upgrade over Reyes, but this does absolutely nothing to help the underlying issues with this roster.

I'm at a loss for words with this deal.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...nd=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

give that a read before saying it's a terrible move

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

The best part about this deal is that the Yankees don't get him handed to them for peanuts in the offseason, like they most certainly would have.

 

[MR4]

This is the perfect time for Rogers to open up the books to add a top pitcher now(Buyers market for Pitchers, best hitting lineup in baseball), but very unlikely that'll happen. Wouldn't mind 1 more relief pitcher and an outfield guy though.

My DREAM would be adding Price and Cespedes.

 

[Longshot]

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...nd=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

give that a read before saying it's a terrible move

I don't care what that says. Edit: All I get from that link is a list of all the teams that has the Jays ranked 24th.

How does this move help the pitching staff?

Hawkins is brutal. He was demoted out of the closer's role on a horrible team and he's 42 years old.

This does absolutely nothing to help the fundamental problem with this team: starting pitching.

I'm beyond disappointed to wake up to this news.

This has all the hallmarks of being a: "let's do something for the sake of doing something" kind of deal.

 

[Woodman19]

I still want another good reliever.

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

I almost feel that AA makes trades just to make a splash. This trade is pointless. The same issues that plagued Reyes plague Tulowitzki. We are still 2 top of the rotation pitchers shy, and two bullpen pitchers shy to win a world series. All of this and we are 2 top prospects shorter.

Really all this does is sell Rogers more tickets.

 

[Longshot]

I still want another good reliever.

Have you forgotten the starting pitching still sucks?

 

[LaCarriere]

I don't care what that says. Edit: All I get from that link is a list of all the teams that has the Jays ranked 24th.

How does this move help the pitching staff?

Hawkins is brutal. He was demoted out of the closer's role on a horrible team and he's 42 years old.

This does absolutely nothing to help the fundamental problem with this team: starting pitching.

I'm beyond disappointed to wake up to this news.

This has all the hallmarks of being a: "let's do something for the sake of doing something" kind of deal.

sorry wrong link

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/troy-tulowitzki-the-blue-jays-and-upgrading-strengths/

basically by adding Tulo we are further improving our run differential. Whether you improve the team by adding more runs scored or decreasing runs allowed -- it's all the same. doesn't matter if you win 7-5 or 5-3.

 

[Longshot]

sorry wrong link

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/troy-tulowitzki-the-blue-jays-and-upgrading-strengths/

basically by adding Tulo we are further improving our run differential. Whether you improve the team by adding more runs scored or decreasing runs allowed -- it's all the same. doesn't matter if you win 7-5 or 5-3.

They have the best run differential in the game, by a mile, already and are a .500 team.

This does nothing to address to starting pitching concerns and leaves them with two less assets to do that.

I can't believe how angry I am right now.

An injury prone SS with a bad contract... Where have I heard that song before?

Bottom line: they aren't going anywhere with Dickey, Hutch and Doubront making three out of every five starts.

 

[RipCityPuckers]

Have you forgotten the starting pitching still sucks?

Have you forgotten that the deadline has not passed?

Anyone who is complaining about upgrading from Reyes to Tulo should be permanently banned from ever watching another baseball game for the sake of humanity

 

[pooleboy]

I don't care what that says. Edit: All I get from that link is a list of all the teams that has the Jays ranked 24th.

How does this move help the pitching staff?

Hawkins is brutal. He was demoted out of the closer's role on a horrible team and he's 42 years old.

This does absolutely nothing to help the fundamental problem with this team: starting pitching.

I'm beyond disappointed to wake up to this news.

This has all the hallmarks of being a: "let's do something for the sake of doing something" kind of deal.

I'm guessing you don't know who tulo is, and u havnt watched the jays in quite sometime. I'm upset with losing Hoffman too, but reyes was such a liability in the field

 

[theaub]

hahaha AA you legend

I don't know how anyone can complain about this trade.

 

[Longshot]

Have you forgotten that the deadline has not passed?

Anyone who is complaining about upgrading from Reyes to Tulo should be permanently banned from ever watching another baseball game for the sake of humanity

And who do they have left to trade for starting pitching?

Unless they're planning to completely empty the cupboard, it's unlikely they can make another significant move.

And I didn't say anything about Tulo or Reyes. I'm upset they have traded two of their best pitching prospects and haven't address the main issue with the team: starting pitching.

 

[GoonieFace]

This is a joke right?

They manage to trade Hoffman and Castro and don't get a pitcher of consequence?

The key player in the deal is a SS with an injury history and horrible contract?

How does this help the starting pitching problems?

How does this help the bullpen problems?

Tulo may be an upgrade over Reyes, but this does absolutely nothing to help the underlying issues with this roster.

I'm at a loss for words with this deal.

And this is why Toronto sports fans have such a bad rep, give your head a shake. What if Hoffman and/or Castro are the next Marty Janzen or Todd Van Poppel? Than what, you would complain that they should have traded these guys for proven players. No clue