Blue Jays Discussion: Blue Jays acquire TROY TULOWITZKI... did I mention his idol is Derek Jeter?

[theaub]

And if Samardzija ends up costing us Stro, is it still time to relax?

The cupboard is bare - nobody wants Norris or Sanchez in a package deal for an ace, or they would have been gone by now. That would couldn't get Kazmir for any of our prospects, should say something in itself.

Hey any other trade negotiation updates you want to give?

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about so just settle down.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Do you really think we are acquiring an ace and a closer with assets not involving Stroman?

I really think the Blue Jays are not trading their most valuable asset.

 

[dredeye]

Jesus tinoco is the last piece going to the Rockies. I can honestly say I don't know anything about him

 

[tp71]

Okay, when I read that, I see: they upgraded, but not by much.

So, what was the point?

And, serious question. Are Tulo's offensive numbers inflated by playing at Coors Field?

So because you need pitching, you stop trying to upgrade in other places too? Why would you only keep one iron in the fire when you can have multiple?

 

[RipCityPuckers]

Do you really think we are acquiring an ace and a closer with assets not involving Stroman?

You aren't getting an ace, not before the Tulo deal, not after it either

As much as people on here salivate for Price, try and use some logic and understand that he wasn't a realistic option.

Hamels? Sure but it would have cost you Stroman + Hoffman + probably a decent 3rd piece

If anyone is likely gone now it's Norris who could probably be packaged together with another decent prospect for Samardzija

 

[SDig14]

Do you really think we are acquiring an ace and a closer with assets not involving Stroman?

Teams aren't trading aces unless they're rentals and we don't need an established closer.

 

[dredeye]

So is aa gonna go full insanity and grab puig from the Dodgers now? I wouldn't see that coming either

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Jesus tinoco is the last piece going to the Rockies. I can honestly say I don't know anything about him

45 FV far from the majors. Similar to Tirado, but a bit further behind in development. Good piece to get as a throw in for Colorado.

 

[Bjindaho]

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/7-hitters-with-hrfb-rate-upside/

Three of their pre-season guys were Smoak, Martin and Donaldson. While Coors causes balls to travel a little further, it also has the opposite effect some games and knocks down some liners (because of water logged balls).

In terms of park factor, here is this year's numbers
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor/_/sort/HRFactor

Toronto and Colorado have almost identical homer rates, but Colorado has a significantly higher single rate and significantly higher triple rate.

 

[Suntouchable13]

I don't understand, though. Are they trying to slug their way into the playoffs? Stroman coming back next year is not guaranteed to be great. I don't know what they are trying to do. If they think they can win with a young and cheap rotation then I am disappointed.

 

[GoonieFace]

How is the Jays starting pitching and bullpen any better after this deal?

Can you answer that?

Two prime prospects are gone and they haven't addressed the main two issues.

Are you even reading what I'm saying?

The fact is, he had a chance to acquire the best SS in baseball while ridding themselves of Reyes. This is a deal he had to do. I would assume with this trade, he will look to strengthen the pitching as well. Everyone said the cupboard was bare after the Marlins and Dickey trade, and it obviously isnt. There are so many players drafted in baseball each year, the chances are you are going to hit on a few. It doesnt take that long to replenish the prospect pool, but to find an all-star SS signed for 5 years, these deals dont come along often.

 

[RipCityPuckers]

And if Samardzija ends up costing us Stro, is it still time to relax?

The cupboard is bare - nobody wants Norris or Sanchez in a package deal for an ace, or they would have been gone by now. That would couldn't get Kazmir for any of our prospects, should say something in itself.

Samardzija is a free agent at the end of the year

No sane individual that has any shred of critical thinking would trade Stroman for him

That would be like trading Reilly at last year's trade deadline for Sekera

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

I don't understand, though. Are they trying to slug their way into the playoffs? Stroman coming back next year is not guaranteed to be great. I don't know what they are trying to do. If they think they can win with a young and cheap rotation then I am disappointed.

They've saved money, gotten younger, improved defensively and offensively.

Also, what's that about Stroman?

 

[LaCarriere]

And if Samardzija ends up costing us Stro, is it still time to relax?

The cupboard is bare - nobody wants Norris or Sanchez in a package deal for an ace, or they would have been gone by now. That would couldn't get Kazmir for any of our prospects, should say something in itself.

There's no realistic way the cost of a rental is Stroman. If it is and that's all other teams want from AA, he tells them to pound salt and he tries to get a pitcher via FA in the summer and we hope for the best this year and go all in next year.

Look at what Cueto and Kazmir went for this year. Nothing close to MLB ready of Stroman's value. Look at what Greinke got traded for in 2012. The price for top rental starting pitching under the new qualifying/compensation rules is a top 50-100 prospect and filler. Shark isn't even on the level of those pitchers, there's no way he fetches a better return than them.

Using other deals as a benchmark, a more realistic trade would be Norris straight up for 2 months of Shark, and even that would probably be overpayment based on previous rental deals. Probably something like Pompey and a lower ranked pitcher.

 

[rojac]

They've saved money, gotten younger, improved defensively and offensively.

Also, what's that about Stroman?

Just a poster making the assumption that Stroman is the only possible thing they could trade to improve pitching.

 

[Woodman19]

This move also serves to add more time to our competitive window by tying down Tulo with Donaldson for at least the next 3 years which could negate the loss of Edwin and Jose (likely just 1 of them)

 

[Stats01]

I don't understand, though. Are they trying to slug their way into the playoffs? Stroman coming back next year is not guaranteed to be great. I don't know what they are trying to do. If they think they can win with a young and cheap rotation then I am disappointed.

that's why I think there is another move being made in the next 3 days. If this is the only move then it definitely is a curious one considering AA could've used the prospects for a pitcher. I just can't see AA not doing something else to shore up the pitching depth.

 

[Woodman19]

It's funny how after discussing the impact of defense for the Royals run prevention we go from Reyes to Tulo and people question how it will help the pitching...

 

[Bjindaho]

The fact is, he had a chance to acquire the best SS in baseball while ridding themselves of Reyes. This is a deal he had to do. I would assume with this trade, he will look to strengthen the pitching as well. Everyone said the cupboard was bare after the Marlins and Dickey trade, and it obviously isnt. There are so many players drafted in baseball each year, the chances are you are going to hit on a few. It doesnt take that long to replenish the prospect pool, but to find an all-star SS signed for 5 years, these deals dont come along often.

We also spend a ton of money on our front office so that we can be very good at evaluating talent. When you look at the past trades, which players are making you regret trading them? Keep in mind that NY overhauled Syndergaard's fastball which is what made him the pitcher he is now. Hechevarria is a strong SS based on finally getting it (we knew what he could be but didn't trust his attitude). Alvarez (who looks like he's about to have TJ) is the only guy we traded that didn't have significant questions when we moved them.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Just a poster making the assumption that Stroman is the only possible thing they could trade to improve pitching.

No, I wasn't. I meant that you can't assume that Stroman is going to be great. You need to add pitching. I did not say trade Stroman.

 

[rojac]

No, I wasn't. I meant that you can't assume that Stroman is going to be great. You need to add pitching. I did not say trade Stroman.

I was referring to the poster who said "Good-bye Stroman" and stated that he was all that was left to trade. I must've missed your post.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

The people saying we would have to trade Stroman to get Shark literally make me want to bang my head against a wall. It would be the like if last year the Rays traded Chris Archer for Jon Lester lol like come on.

 

[GrantLemons]

I admittedly came to this thread with my pitchfork out after seeing Hoffman dealt, but I've calmed down.

Tulo is a fantastic pickup.

From here on in I can deal with any deals as long as they don't involve Sanchez or Stro. If either of them go for a rental I'm jumping out my window.

 

[BlueForever]

In short guys and gals, the best player in the deal is Tulo and we got him.

He instantly is an upgrade over Reyes with defense and offense. He's two years younger and controlled longer at the same price of Reyes. Yes we give up Castro and Hoffman but people these guys aren't guarantees.

On top of the Tulo upgrade we improve our BP with Hawkins. He's no slouch. And don't forget the $$$'s is a wash. We still have the $$$'s to acquire more to this teams weaknesses. I just wouldn't acquire rentals.

 

[Silver91]

Calling it now, the controllable, top if the rotation arm out of left field that AA gets: Chris Archer

Realistically though, it'll be someone like Fiers or Leake