Blue Jays Discussion: Blue Jays acquire TROY TULOWITZKI... did I mention his idol is Derek Jeter?

[Bjindaho]

So we acquired Tulo ( a 5+ WAR shortstop when he's healthy and the best SS in the game) for Reyes (completely offsets the money short-term and was providing 2.5ish value at SS), Hoffman (22 year-old high upside starter whose had TJ which means that he'll likely need another one around 29-30 and whose K rates are a little worrisome, though the effectiveness has been awesome), Castro (20 year old, with limited innings who throws hard but projects more as a reliever with questionable poise) and the kid (who is further away)

 

[Damisoph]

Seriously, Norris + a middling prospect is not enough to get two months of Samardzjia? Meh, AA never does the trade everyone is reporting on anyway.

 

[theaub]

So we acquired Tulo ( a 5+ WAR shortstop when he's healthy and the best SS in the game) for Reyes (completely offsets the money short-term and was providing 2.5ish value at SS), Hoffman (22 year-old high upside starter whose had TJ which means that he'll likely need another one around 29-30 and whose K rates are a little worrisome, though the effectiveness has been awesome), Castro (20 year old, with limited innings who throws hard but projects more as a reliever with questionable poise) and the kid (who is further away)

I think you're selling our prospects a bit short, but I mean the gist is bang on

I'm just confused that people think you can acquire a top 5 SS in the game (and save money in salary the next two years!) without trading two very good prospects.

 

[LaCarriere]

If AA does get a pitcher I can almost guarantee it won't be a rental.

Maybe Hamels reconsiders waiving his NTC to Toronto with the acquisition of Tulo, but maybe not, and either way the price would be steep.

I agree with Silver, if AA lands a pitcher it will be a guy with a lower pricetag but at least controllable thru next year. After next year there's the potential for a pretty big drop off in terms of window of contention if they lose Bautista and EE, not to mention Martin, Donaldson, Tulo, etc all being 30+ years old, so AA will want to build for at least next year.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Seriously, Norris + a middling prospect is not enough to get two months of Samardzjia? Meh, AA never does the trade everyone is reporting on anyway.

Honestly could get Samardzjia without giving up Norris if we wanted to most likely.

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

When fans who don't normally follow baseball get trade drunk, hilarity ensues.

"Now we have to trade Stroman, ya see!!!" (old prospector voice)

Wtf lol

You are clueless if you think this roster is anywhere near winning a world series. If your ok with mediocrity then so be it. But if you have watched a world series recently you will know it all comes down to pitching. In my mind the blue jays have 1 pitcher that can compete in a playoff game and thats Mark Bhuerle. Rogers is selling you a pie that has no filling in it, and you're eating it up.

 

[Bjindaho]

I think you're selling our prospects a bit short, but I mean the gist is bang on

I'm just confused that people think you can acquire a top 5 SS in the game (and save money in salary the next two years!) without trading two very good prospects.

Honestly, Castro scared me long term.

Hoffmann, OTOH, is a stud. There are definitely some question marks about him in terms of what he'll be (and how long), but he will be a big leaguer and could be up any time from a September call-up this year to a September call-up next year at the latest. He is the piece that we would regret.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I think you're selling our prospects a bit short, but I mean the gist is bang on

I'm just confused that people think you can acquire a top 5 SS in the game (and save money in salary the next two years!) without trading two very good prospects.

I think those are all legit concerns about those prospects that I had before they were traded.....Though with Castro I honestly think the Jays were on there way to ruining him themselves so maybe the Rockies will get him starting again and fix that. I mean the Jays had him go from A ball to MLB to the closer to AAA to A ball then back to AAA as a reliever, just silly. With Hoffman the K's are a concern and the delivery they have him pitching out of isn't good, he could blow up be next Thor but he isn't a slam dunk ace like the hype machine pumped out.

 

[MR4]

It'd be unreal if Stroman could come back in September and we acquire someone equal or better to Samardjiza, but IMO next year is the year we go for it.

 

[Bjindaho]

You are clueless if you think this roster is anywhere near winning a world series. If your ok with mediocrity then so be it. But if you have watched a world series recently you will know it all comes down to pitching. In my mind the blue jays have 1 pitcher that can compete in a playoff game and thats Mark Bhuerle. Rogers is selling you a pie that has no filling in it, and you're eating it up.

And you win Stanley Cups with defense, unless your offense is good enough to make up for it (like Chicago this year who realistically only played 5 D).

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

And you win Stanley Cups with defense, unless your offense is good enough to make up for it (like Chicago this year who realistically only played 5 D).

Are you really comparing hockey and baseball. Name me the last time a team won a world series on the back of offence and not pitching.

 

[Swervin81]

You are clueless if you think this roster is anywhere near winning a world series. If your ok with mediocrity then so be it. But if you have watched a world series recently you will know it all comes down to pitching. In my mind the blue jays have 1 pitcher that can compete in a playoff game and thats Mark Bhuerle. Rogers is selling you a pie that has no filling in it, and you're eating it up.

That's why the A's with Mulder, Zito, and Hudson were so amazing in the playoffs. Look at all the multiple WS in 15 years the Braves won with Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz. Look at how amazing the 116 win Mariners did in the playoffs with their juggernaut everywhere. Hell, the Tigers of prime Verlander/Scherzer/Sanchez and Dodgers with Kershaw/Greinke/Ryu must've been swimming in WS wins too the last few years.

 

[Bjindaho]

Are you really comparing hockey and baseball. Name me the last time a team won a world series on the back of offence and not pitching.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Boston_Red_Sox_season

 

[Smif]

I like this way better than dealing the same significant assets for a rental ace pitcher. Now getting a number 2 caliber pitcher would be great if we didn't have to give up too much and we get Dubrount out of the rotation.

 

[LaCarriere]

That's why the A's with Mulder, Zito, and Hudson were so amazing in the playoffs. Look at all the multiple WS in 15 years the Braves won with Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz. Look at how amazing the 116 win Mariners did in the playoffs with their juggernaut everywhere. Hell, the Tigers of prime Verlander/Scherzer/Sanchez and Dodgers with Kershaw/Greinke/Ryu must've been swimming in WS wins too the last few years.

 

[Mitchy]

The good thing is that AA is very good at restocking the farm and he does it quickly too.

 

[mikebel111*]

And no wonder Toronto fans are the laughing stocks of pro sports.
We get a chance to get an elite player and people go " but but pitching". Yeah so what? Yes I know everything is terrible in the world because we got an elite SS.
God forbid we acquire elite players here.

AA knows pitching is still a weakness but if you people think we need an elite pitcher than your clueless. We need decent pitcher or 2, and time to get them too. But we got an elite player first so I guess everything is horrible

 

[kfernandes29]

Actually that move is a "reel in the runners" signal! Like a fishing pole. I didn't know what he was doing either until someone posted it in the game day thread, or maybe Buck and Pat mentioned it.

No, actually its a "stir the pot" motion. It comes from "Flicka Da Wrist", which is a rap track about cooking crack. lol

 

[SpezDispenser]

I own a Reyes shirt and have always really liked him, but for TT? Slam dunk. Very excited

 

[theaub]

Are you really comparing hockey and baseball. Name me the last time a team won a world series on the back of offence and not pitching.

Past few WS winners ranks in runs and runs allowed

2014 (SFG): 12, 9
2013 (BOS): 1, 13
2012 (SFG): 12, 8
2011 (STL): 5, 15
2010 (SFG): 17, 2
2009 (NYY): 1, 14
2008 (PHI): 8, 5
2007 (BOS): 4, 1
2006 (STL): 14, 10

So yes, you certainly need a level of pitching, but there's not a lot of elite pitching groups there. Also surprising at how bad some of those teams seem based on their ranks (playoffs = giant massive fluke)

 

[theaub]

Also what if we now traded Tulo straight up for Carrasco lol

 

[as Pure as Evil]

I knew Reyes was gone but I picked the wrong team. Can't believe my pipe dream of having tulo is fact. And there were no links kinda like the Donaldson trade all over

 

[mccabe2424]

i have bad luck with jerseys hill lawrie and now reyes but besides hill ive been so happy with the returns

 

[mccabe2424]

got a steen jersey week before he was moved as well

 

[Longshot]

Why would you only keep one iron in the fire when you can have multiple?

What if they don't?

What if this is the only deal?

They can now make a move for pitching only if they completely empty the cupboard of any significant prospects (which is fine, if they think they can win this year).

If they want a really good starter, who is left to give up?

Norris? Pentecost? Pompey? After that you're into Osuna, Stroman and Travis.