Blue Jays Discussion: Blue Jays acquire TROY TULOWITZKI... did I mention his idol is Derek Jeter?

[Scion]

I said it in the other thread before I realized it was closed (because I left the room for 20 minutes ) but Donaldson/Tulo/Travis/Smoak: Best defensive IF in baseball? A case could be made. If you call up Pompey now too, him in LF with Pillar/Bautista in CF/RF makes for a very nice defensive OF too. Suddenly you've got a team that's top flight at hte plate and in the field. Just becomes that pesky starting pitching issue to really make inroads on.



Personally I like Tepera more than Schultz, but it's really just my own gut feeling since the stats are basically a wash, tipping marginally in Schultz' favor.

Tulo isn't the same defender following his latest hip surgery. I think it is a mistake to assume that he is still a plus in the field.

 

[dredeye]

Say what you will about what the team has done on the field, but nobody does super-covert ninja deals quite like AA.

Jays need to do some tinkering? BOOM! Marlins mega-deal

Need to look at shoring up the team this last off-season? BOOOOM! Donaldson.

Gotta look at upgrading for a playoff run, probably pitching. BOOOOOOOOOOM! Tulo!

Yea I just posted something similar. He loves making these deals without anyone seeing them coming.

 

[Epictetus]

It's not mentioned as much, but the Gose for Travis deal should also be looked at as one of his better deals. Not only did the trade address a major weakness at 2B, but Travis has exceeded expectations (my expectations at least) and is playing like an all-star.

 

[Scion]

With ownerships reluctance to spend, I doubt AA is going to just go out and buy pitchers. Have to keep some prospects like Norris, Osuna, SRF, Boyd cause they'll be cheap, and they may end up providing good value for their contracts.

I'd love to see AA trade for a pitcher with term. Would be more than okay with trading guys like srf or boyd for that.

If the plan is to fill in the remaining holes with those prospects than this deal was idiotic. Tulowitzki's contract is going to be a nightmare in a few seasons, and there is nothing on our farm presently that looks capable of replacing the core bats. This only makes sense if the plan to contend is in the next two seasons, and to do that the Jays need to add high end SP. I'm not a proponent of unloading a farm system to win now, but I really don't think AA has a choice at this point (assuming Rogers doesn't have a plan to maintain or increase payroll in the offseason).

 

[Radiohead]

Say what you will about what the team has done on the field, but nobody does super-covert ninja deals quite like AA.

Jays need to do some tinkering? BOOM! Marlins mega-deal

Need to look at shoring up the team this last off-season? BOOOOM! Donaldson.

Gotta look at upgrading for a playoff run, probably pitching. BOOOOOOOOOOM! Tulo!

Getting rid of V-Dub was the biggest WTF for me.

 

[The Nemesis]

Yea I just posted something similar. He loves making these deals without anyone seeing them coming.

He's the hipster GM. He only does trades you've never heard of. He's not into any of those mainstream rumors.

 

[TF97]

BREAKING NEWS:
The first 20,000 fans tomorrow night will receive a Troy Tulowizki player t-shirt.

 

[LaCarriere]

Why did CLE say no to that?

My guess is that the original deal was less than what's now being reported, and Cleveland wanted us to take on one of Swisher or Bourn's contract -- probably Swishers. AA probably didn't want to take on 7.5M of dead weight this year, and 15M of dead weight next year (or ownership said no), so he upped the ante with a better prospect deal, and Cleveland declined and said it's only happening if you take Swisher.

The reports I read were that the Indians would be interested in moving Carrasco in order to get rid of one of those bad contracts, and it makes sense. You just don't move Carrasco who has all the makings of a #2 starter and is team and cost controlled out of the goodness of your heart to gamble on prospects, no matter how inviting they look. GMs only move that type of player to get rid of an unwanted contract -- i.e. the Kimbrel trade (in order to get of dead weight in Melvin Upton).

 

[Scion]

Also, I see a lot of posters are questioning why the Indians turned down the rumoured package for Carrasco. The answer is simple, Carrasco is a cost controlled ace, that is worth ALOT. Would you trade a better, more proven version of Stroman for the same? Probably not..

 

[Jozay]

If the plan is to fill in the remaining holes with those prospects than this deal was idiotic. Tulowitzki's contract is going to be a nightmare in a few seasons, and there is nothing on our farm presently that looks capable of replacing the core bats. This only makes sense if the plan to contend is in the next two seasons, and to do that the Jays need to add high end SP. I'm not a proponent of unloading a farm system to win now, but I really don't think AA has a choice at this point (assuming Rogers doesn't have a plan to maintain or increase payroll in the offseason).

This is what I was kinda just thinking. AA is building this team, where you kinda have to go all out. Except he doesnt have the budget to do so, so he's caught in a weird spot. He cant quite go all out, because ownership wont pay up, so he has to keep prospects to provide cheap value. Not like he's going to be able to sign some FA pitchers. With the way ownership is, I think AA has taken the wrong direction. And wont be easy to sell off guys like Bautista, EE, Martin or Tulo. Dont think those guys really get you anything significant considering their contracts and the fact that 3 of them control where they go.

 

[The Nemesis]

Tulo isn't the same defender following his latest hip surgery. I think it is a mistake to assume that he is still a plus in the field.

Still an upgrade over Reyes' combo of iffy range, constant (recent) flubs, and annoyingly noodle-armed throws to 1st.

Also just saw the highlights for tonight's Seattle/Arizona game @ Safeco. Sure seems like those stands are a whole lot emptier than they were Friday-Sunday

 

[Jumptheshark]

Jays need a starter sooner then later

 

[Bad News Benning]

This is what I was kinda just thinking. AA is building this team, where you kinda have to go all out. Except he doesnt have the budget to do so, so he's caught in a weird spot. He cant quite go all out, because ownership wont pay up, so he has to keep prospects to provide cheap value. Not like he's going to be able to sign some FA pitchers. With the way ownership is, I think AA has taken the wrong direction.

I dunno....Reyes for Tulo saves 2 million next year. This is a big market....no reason why they can't spend. If they cry poor they are full of ****. If you surround this offense with some pitching i'm pretty sure you will be seeing rogers center packed every night.

City is craving a winner....i'm sure it won't be hard to fill the seats if you bring in a big name free agent pitcher. If you design a rotation with Price, Stroman, and three joe blows you can probably win this division.

 

[Scion]

Still an upgrade over Reyes' combo of iffy range, constant (recent) flubs, and annoyingly noodle-armed throws to 1st.

Also just saw the highlights for tonight's Seattle/Arizona game @ Safeco. Sure seems like those stands are a whole lot emptier than they were Friday-Sunday

I'm anxious to see just how muc of an upgrade. I haven't really watched the Rockies this year, but I remember how good he looked even last year.

 

[Mathmew Purrrr Oh]

1. Travis 134 wRC+
2. Donaldson 144 wRC+
3. Bautista 139 wRC+
4. Encarnacion 116 wRC+
5. Tulowitski 111 wRC+
6. Martin 125 wRC+
7. Smoak 113 wRC+ / Colabello 140 wRC+
8. Carrera 86 wRC+ / Valencia 133 wRC+
9. Pillar 91 wRC+

 

[Looney Toonies]

BREAKING NEWS:
The first 20,000 fans tomorrow night will receive a Troy Tulowizki player t-shirt.

I see what you did there. I bet the entire promotion team got canned after that.

On to the trade, Very excited about having a left infield of Tulo and JD for the next couple years, not going to cringe at the thought of the ball being hit at Reyes anymore. Tulos bat is elite for his position hitting .300 with an OBP of .350 is pretty drool worthy when you take into account the lineup his bat is being added to.


As for Castro, he seems to be destined for the bullpen, the Jays didn't stretch him out for a reason, but on the other hand maybe the Rockies do and have some success but IMO not a big loss.

Hoffman IMO is overrated, and this is coming from someone who wanted him bad when he fell to #9. His low K% is worrisome mixed with his curveball going from what looked to be an elite pitch in the making to a very average offering. TJS really hurt his value in my eyes.

Tulo>>>>>Reyes so we had to give them something that could potentially even out the trade. But baseball is essentially a crapshoot when it comes to prospects, you never truly know what will happen.

AA hopefully isn't done, but I'm a fan of this trade.

 

[Looney Toonies]

I dunno....Reyes for Tulo saves 2 million next year. This is a big market....no reason why they can't spend. If they cry poor they are full of ****. If you surround this offense with some pitching i'm pretty sure you will be seeing rogers center packed every night.

City is craving a winner....i'm sure it won't be hard to fill the seats if you bring in a big name free agent pitcher. If you design a rotation with Price, Stroman, and three joe blows you can probably win this division.

Apparently Tulo had a clause in his contract that if he was moved he received an extra 2 mil per season. So it's essentially a wash in $'s.

 

[rojac]

Apparently Tulo had a clause in his contract that if he was moved he received an extra 2 mil per season. So it's essentially a wash in $'s.

I believe the extra $2M is just this year.

 

[Bad News Benning]

I wish Ricky Romero had been included in this deal just for ***** and giggles.

 

[Eyedea]

I wish Ricky Romero had been included in this deal just for ***** and giggles.

Hard to do considering he's in the Giants org.

 

[Bad News Benning]

Hard to do considering he's in the Giants org.

he's still playing? I thought he had retired and was sitting at home. Oh well so much for that.

 

[RipCityPuckers]

As a Yankees fan that lives in Toronto, AA is easily the best GM you guys have had since the winning years by miles.

If you guys can add a pitcher like Samardzija, I'll actually be decently afraid of the Jays for basically the first time since I started following baseball.

And that's not me trying to take a shot at you guys or the team. Since I live in Toronto, I genuinely do want the Jays to succeed even if the Yankees are my favourite team which I know is a weird dynamic.

Hopefully I can finally stop reading about the fire AA campaign, whether or not this team ends up making the playoffs this year, he's at the very least made you guys relevant again with his unbelievable ability to acquire fantastic players in trades

If he can get that 2/3 starter, the onus will be on Gibby, the coaching staff and of course the players to lead this team into the playoffs

 

[landy92mack29]

Also, I see a lot of posters are questioning why the Indians turned down the rumoured package for Carrasco. The answer is simple, Carrasco is a cost controlled ace, that is worth ALOT. Would you trade a better, more proven version of Stroman for the same? Probably not..

How is Carrasco an Ace? Seriously he's a #4 at best. He had 1 good year and has regressed back to what he truly is.

 

[darko]

How is Carrasco an Ace? Seriously he's a #4 at best. He had 1 good year and has regressed back to what he truly is.

Have you seen his FIP and xFIP? Both are sub 3. He's been unlucky this season. Carrasco is a legit top of the rotation arm.

 

[Eyedea]

How is Carrasco an Ace? Seriously he's a #4 at best. He had 1 good year and has regressed back to what he truly is.

Are your handy dandy ERA figures showing that Carrasco is in fact not good?

Because I'd hate to believe that Hector Santiago, Wei-Yin Chen, and Tom Koehler are among the best pitchers in all of baseball.