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Rumor: Blackhawks' Kevin Hayes on Rangers radar?

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Trxjw said:
Not on the wings they don't. Hayes is a RW which means he's already behind Nash, Zuccarello and MSL. Pittsburgh has lousy winger depth and the Avs aren't swimming in them either.
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Yeah, as far as the top 6 goes, its very likely one of either Nash or Zucc will switch positions because if Brassard is going to be the #2 center, he will have either Nash or Kreider playing with him and Zucc IMO which means he would have to beat our Lombardi who hasn't played in the NHL in 2 years to make the team.


Pittsburgh's top 6 will be something like Malkin, Crosby, Dupuis, Hornqvist, Kunitz, Spaling, where is he gonna be play on the top 6 there either?

our 3rd line is probably just as much of an unknown as Pittsburgh's third line will be.

edit. forgot about Stempniak.
 
Trxjw said:
Not on the wings they don't. Hayes is a RW which means he's already behind Nash, Zuccarello and MSL. Pittsburgh has lousy winger depth and the Avs aren't swimming in them either.
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Hornqvist, Kunitz, Dupuis, Bennet are what I would consider good-to-decent top-6 wingers. Then they have Downie and Spaling, I don't think they are that thin at the wing position.

Colorado has Landeskog, Iginla, Briere and McGinn plus Duchene, Mackinnon and ROR who can and do play wing depending on the situation.
 
NYR Viper said:
Hornqvist, Kunitz, Dupuis, Bennet are what I would consider good-to-decent top-6 wingers. Then they have Downie and Spaling, I don't think they are that thin at the wing position.

Colorado has Landeskog, Iginla, Briere and McGinn plus Duchene, Mackinnon and ROR who can and do play wing depending on the situation.
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Yep, Colorado is loaded.
 
broadwayblue said:
I thought his max salary is already determined? 935k or something like that, no?

If he needs time for anything, it's to decide which destination is most appealing to him.
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I wasn't sure how this worked, but don't bonuses come into play which could make offers better from teams, or no?
 
I think the MAJOR selling point for the Rangers has to be that he plays a similar game to Benoit Pouliot and the Rangers are looking for a replacement. Look at how his numbers inflated. Look at the other US born players and other NCAA players we have both coming in and on the team already. They are close to Boston. Gorton knows Boston. He played with Kreider at BC.

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
MZA-Brassard-Hayes
Hagelin-Miller-MSL
Glass-Moore-Lombardi/Stempniak
 
There must be something Hayes likes about the Rangers to include them in his final teams. We don't know what Gorton told Hayes and Murray. The Rangers have a spot in their lineup for him unless you believe Lombardi will play all 82 games or Stempniak will be the player he was a few years ago.
 
broadwayblue said:
I thought his max salary is already determined? 935k or something like that, no?

If he needs time for anything, it's to decide which destination is most appealing to him.
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Hayes and his agent spent all summer looking at the teams. They knew which teams were attractive to them a while ago. The money will be the same unless some teams are not willing to offer more bonuses.
 
RangerBoy said:
There must be something Hayes likes about the Rangers to include them in his final teams. We don't know what Gorton told Hayes and Murray. The Rangers have a spot in their lineup for him unless you believe Lombardi will play all 82 games or Stempniak will be the player he was a few years ago.
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We haven't been scared lately to infuse youth into the lineup, much of our core is mostly homegrown talent minus Nash and MSL, but those guys were acquired via homegrown talent, We also have a coach who believes in his young players, and he played with Kreids at BC, and this team just represented the East in the SCF and we're 3 goals away from winning it all. lots of things to like about the Rangers,
 
Winning championships with Kreider leading the way and watching Kreider just play in the SCF has to have an influence on this kid's decision. Even more, the Rangers have been heavy into collegiate players for quite a while now. Gilroy to Allen to the swath of players they've recently signed. The Rangers give college UFAs a chance to play. Unless he signs with Boston, NY and Hartford are as close to playing in front of a home crowd as he's going to get. Kriedier, Hagelin, Stepan are all a big part of the team and came from NCAA. Their top prospect in Brady Skjei, NCAA. The message there is the Rangers like and play college kids!
 
Hayes is a lefty but he can play both wings. I think his best position is center.

He's really not this lumbering power forward who taps in goal-mouth feeds. He's also not a hard-to-the-net driver. I compared him to Leclair when he was at Vermont. leclair was a perimeter power forward like Nash, then in the 1993 playoffs he was just bulldozing people to the net. I'm guessing somebody told him to start using his size around the net, and he listened.

Hayes is also a pretty good defensive player. He's not Doug Jarvis, but he's not Dave Andreychuk either.

In other words, he backchecks, he loves to hit and understands zone coverage. He's definitely not a floater.

Again, I think he's a cross between Brian Boyle and John Leclair but with better ice vision and higher hockey IQ. The five or six BC games I watched over his four years, he was one of the most noticebale guys on the ice regardless of his line.

If the Rangers get him, it will work out. He might not be a 25-25 guy but at a minimum he will be a Boyle type who can play several roles.
 
GWOW said:
Hayes is a lefty but he can play both wings. I think his best position is center.

He's really not this lumbering power forward who taps in goal-mouth feeds. He's also not a hard-to-the-net driver. I compared him to Leclair when he was at Vermont. leclair was a perimeter power forward like Nash, then in the 1993 playoffs he was just bulldozing people to the net. I'm guessing somebody told him to start using his size around the net, and he listened.

Hayes is also a pretty good defensive player. He's not Doug Jarvis, but he's not Dave Andreychuk either.

In other words, he backchecks, he loves to hit and understands zone coverage. He's definitely not a floater.

Again, I think he's a cross between Brian Boyle and John Leclairbut with better ice vision and higher hockey IQ. The five or six BC games I watched over his four years, he was one of the most noticebale guys on the ice regardless of his line.

If the Rangers get him, it will work out. He might not be a 25-25 guy but at a minimum he will be a Boyle type who can play several roles.
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Might be the weirdest description of a player I've ever seen.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
I wasn't sure how this worked, but don't bonuses come into play which could make offers better from teams, or no?
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The bonuses will be relatively similar. They can offer Type A bonuses to a maximum of $850,000 per season. Type B bonuses are largely for the league's elite players, but there's a Calder bonus in there too.

Winner $212,500
2nd $150,000
3rd $100,00
 
NYR Viper said:
Hornqvist, Kunitz, Dupuis, Bennet are what I would consider good-to-decent top-6 wingers. Then they have Downie and Spaling, I don't think they are that thin at the wing position.

Colorado has Landeskog, Iginla, Briere and McGinn plus Duchene, Mackinnon and ROR who can and do play wing depending on the situation.
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Bennett can't stay healthy and neither can Downie. Dupuis is getting close to retiring and is coming off a serious injury of his own. Spalling is an average 3rd liner. None of those guys are as good as the trio of RW's we have in the lineup right now.

With the loss of Stastny, 3 of Briere, Duchene, ROR and MacKinnon will be skating at center.

Both teams are weaker on the wing than we are.
 
Additionally, Brian Boyle was a damn good go-to offensive player his Junior and Senior seasons. At that level his skating was average (rather than below average) and his IQ was way above average. Due to both factors he was able to find much more time and space to unleash his shot. Boyle only played D during the tail end of his Senior year.

So I can see what the comparison is getting at. They aren't that dissimilar of players but Hayes is a significantly better skater. It's hard to tell how he would have produced if not on that super dominant line.
 
At the end of the day I think the Avs make too much sense. They look like the Blackhawks pre-2010. They are poised to be the next great team, IMO.

Colorado is not at all a bad place to live and some people may prefer it to NYC. Just a gut feeling.
 
You know, as much as I would like to add Hayes as he would add another bigger forward for no assets besides money, why is Ryan Haggerty not getting more praise? Haggerty had 28 goals in 35 games as a junior. He s 21. Hayes had 27 goals as a senior. He is 22. Hayes played with Gaudreau.

Haggerty is 6'0, Hayes is 6'3. Hayes had 25 points in 27 games as a junior.

I like Hayes, this is in no way a post dumping on him, but if he could come in and grab a NHL spot, why can't Haggerty?
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
At the end of the day I think the Avs make too much sense. They look like the Blackhawks pre-2010. They are poised to be the next great team, IMO.

Colorado is not at all a bad place to live and some people may prefer it to NYC. Just a gut feeling.
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If we are talking about winning, I firmly believe that Hank is a bigger reason to sign with NY than anything else. If you want a chance at the Cup, you take the team who has an easier road to the Finals with the all world goalie. Colorado is not a true contender until they can find that top level goalie. This is on top of the fact that they are loaded at C and W and cannot provide the same opportunities as the NYR could.
 
Trxjw said:
Hayes' best skill isn't his shooting, otherwise it might be a more direct comparison. Hayes is a pass-first kind of player.
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Points are points though right? I mean Haggerty out-score him as a junior by a good margin and this team needs more guys who can bury the puck.
 
Colorado is overrated.

They're absolutely loaded at center, but nowhere else.

Unsustainably high SV%, over-their-heads performances by all of their defensemen minus Erik Johnson, they will fall back to earth this year.

Would be shocked to see them break 100 points.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
At the end of the day I think the Avs make too much sense. They look like the Blackhawks pre-2010. They are poised to be the next great team, IMO.

Colorado is not at all a bad place to live and some people may prefer it to NYC. Just a gut feeling.
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Not saying he will sign or not with Avalanche but they are nowhere near pre-Chicago. On living in Denver, it's okay(lived there for 2 yrs) but it's not a city you go wow I have to live there
 
THE BIG WHISTLE said:
Not saying he will sign or not with Avalanche but they are nowhere near pre-Chicago. On living in Denver, it's okay(lived there for 2 yrs) but it's not a city you go wow I have to live there
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Last post I will make since it's just my 2 cents but I stand by my comments. Varlamov is underrated and they have elite up & coming center depth which is THE most important ingredient to a Cup team IMO. Defense needs work.

And I have family in Denver so I know the area. If you are into the outdoors it can be an extremely desirable place to live, cost of living doesn't hurt either.
 
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