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Rumor: Blackhawks' Kevin Hayes on Rangers radar?

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Trxjw said:
Yes he is a good player. I don't believe he's NHL ready, but he's not that far away. Huge kid with very good vision and high-end passing ability. He was a center prior to converting to left-wing at BC, then moved over to the right-side I believe in his sophomore season. Agility is average, and but he has sneaky quick acceleration and a good top-end for a kid that big. Good along the boards but lacks game-to-game consistency. I think the top end is a 50 point play-making winger, but if he can adjust well to the pro game, he's a decently safe bet to be a 3rd line player. There's an off-chance he could shift back to center.
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this guy could handle C, including from the get go, that would be huge!!!

I mean, I'm considering Kreider LW and Hayes RW as realistic; if Hayes could slide to the pivot, initially they use at RW Nash, who is big and strong but a bit soft; and when he is eventually moved for cap. Haggerty would be interesting mix at RW.

Hayes is big and strong and with technique might be a decent FO taker.
How is his vision/passing?

Does it look like W was a better place for more goals?
Or did it look like he probably can't cut the pivot?
 
bernmeister said:
Why?
The expectation must be Kreider the co-fastest w/MSL and pivot to be determined. I hope Miller.
However, if Hayes just plain has chemistry, and can do the RW thing, that would be awesome. Hagelin is the ubser-flash we then pair with MSL so no one loses a step.

Still pushing for synergy!
3 guys all extra fast, all extra strong, gives such line(s) an inherent edge.
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Nobody makes lines like that.

You're thinking like a videogame player.

Show me a line in the NHL where the team's 3 fastest or 3 strongest/biggest players are all on the same line.

There's no making a "speed line" and a "size line."

You put players in roles to succeed, and on lines with players they have chemistry with. You balance your lineup by putting players together who's skillsets complement each other.

Please stop with this fantasy nonsense.

You use a decent vocabulary in making your wild claims, but they are no more accurate because of it. The NHL does not operate the way you are pretending it does. I really don't understand your obsession with over-micro-managing the team. You're overthinking every aspect of hockey. It's a sport played by humans. It's not linear. It's not computable. It's not entirely quantifiable. Chemistry/synergy is not quantifiable. It's not just about two guys being fast. There are countless factors. You have to let chemistry develop organically. You don't create it on paper by overthinking every aspect of the game.
 
bernmeister said:
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this guy could handle C, including from the get go, that would be huge!!!

I mean, I'm considering Kreider LW and Hayes RW as realistic; if Hayes could slide to the pivot, initially they use at RW Nash, who is big and strong but a bit soft; and when he is eventually moved for cap. Haggerty would be interesting mix at RW.

Hayes is big and strong and with technique might be a decent FO taker.
How is his vision/passing?

Does it look like W was a better place for more goals?
Or did it look like he probably can't cut the pivot?
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It would be a big surprise if he was able to skate as an NHL center. He'll almost assuredly be a winger. I merely mentioned it as a possibility, but not a strong one. However, his vision is probably his best skill.
 
Trxjw said:
It would be a big surprise if he was able to skate as an NHL center. He'll almost assuredly be a winger. I merely mentioned it as a possibility, but not a strong one. However, his vision is probably his best skill.
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Yup, I think the best comparison is probably Blake Wheeler (who coincidentally, also had a similar NCAA/UFA/hold-out issue). Probably a poor-man's Blake Wheeler, imo. 20-35-55 kind of guy in his prime. But he's still young so the sky is the limit.
 
someone stole hank said:
If Miller and hayes progresses in the NHL and on the rangers.

Kreider-Miller-Hayes

That's a line to be scared of.
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Same can be said about any teams prospects. As it stands Kreider has one good season under his belt. Miller and Hayes are as unproven as can be. No one is scared of that right now.

Many people in here are really overhyping Hayes. Unlike Bernmeister is preaching, this guy is not going to be a top line winger. And I think very few people would project him to be that. 3rd line, surely, maybe even a top 6 guy eventually. 30-30 guy, ha.
 
SeventySeven said:
Yup, I think the best comparison is probably Blake Wheeler (who coincidentally, also had a similar NCAA/UFA/hold-out issue). Probably a poor-man's Blake Wheeler, imo. 20-35-55 kind of guy in his prime. But he's still young so the sky is the limit.
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Wheeler is the same comparison I've made a few times as well. However, Wheeler is a very good skater for a guy who is 6'5. The potential with Hayes is that he finally learned how to play like a kid who is 6'4 and 220lbs. If he can continue to use his size and straight-ahead speed to get in on the forecheck, and his passing ability to generate some offense from along the boards, he'll be a good 3rd line winger with the potential for more.
 
AHB said:
Same can be said about any teams prospects. As it stands Kreider has one good season under his belt. Miller and Hayes are as unproven as can be. No one is scared of that right now.

Many people in here are really overhyping Hayes. Unlike Bernmeister is preaching, this guy is not going to be a top line winger. And I think very few people would project him to be that. 3rd line, surely, maybe even a top 6 guy eventually. 30-30 guy, ha.
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That's why I said IF
 
Trxjw said:
It would be a big surprise if he was able to skate as an NHL center. He'll almost assuredly be a winger. I merely mentioned it as a possibility, but not a strong one. However, his vision is probably his best skill.
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Thanks.
Thought his skating was a bit above par for a guy his size, but nowhere near Kreider-esque, and did not want to go overboard there. Thought strength based on his size and knowing how to use the reach that comes with height were the loudest toots in his horn.

But if his vision is THAT good.

I just hope we get him.

Kevin, if you are reading his, I will personally hound the team into you and Kreider playing with the best matched C if you sign here.
 
bernmeister said:
Thanks.
Thought his skating was a bit above par for a guy his size, but nowhere near Kreider-esque, and did not want to go overboard there. Thought strength based on his size and knowing how to use the reach that comes with height were the loudest toots in his horn.

But if his vision is THAT good.

I just hope we get him.

Kevin, if you are reading his, I will personally hound the team into you and Kreider playing with the best matched C if you sign here.
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Well how could he refuse now?
 
AHB said:
Same can be said about any teams prospects. As it stands Kreider has one good season under his belt. Miller and Hayes are as unproven as can be. No one is scared of that right now.

Many people in here are really overhyping Hayes. Unlike Bernmeister is preaching, this guy is not going to be a top line winger. And I think very few people would project him to be that. 3rd line, surely, maybe even a top 6 guy eventually. 30-30 guy, ha.
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He can't do it alone the same way Malkin can score even with Taylor Pyatt on his line.

That said, we will see.
I told ya Kreider, I was correct.
Hayes is not Kreider, but he has got more than enough to contribute big time on a major line with the right two linemates.
 
Calad said:
I imagine if Hayes was able to play center competently, he would still be with Chicago
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Thought of that too, but then concluded they are so deep, he probably just felt this refusal to sign was his best chance. Not necessarily so that he is not competent, just too many possibles ahead of him.
 
SeventySeven said:
Nobody makes lines like that.

You're thinking like a videogame player.

Show me a line in the NHL where the team's 3 fastest or 3 strongest/biggest players are all on the same line.

There's no making a "speed line" and a "size line."

You put players in roles to succeed, and on lines with players they have chemistry with. You balance your lineup by putting players together who's skillsets complement each other.

Please stop with this fantasy nonsense.

You use a decent vocabulary in making your wild claims, but they are no more accurate because of it. The NHL does not operate the way you are pretending it does. I really don't understand your obsession with over-micro-managing the team. You're overthinking every aspect of hockey. It's a sport played by humans. It's not linear. It's not computable. It's not entirely quantifiable. Chemistry/synergy is not quantifiable. It's not just about two guys being fast. There are countless factors. You have to let chemistry develop organically. You don't create it on paper by overthinking every aspect of the game.
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Too busy to respond to all of this now.
Dispute much of what you said.

Just this for now.

You complain:
Show me a line in the NHL where the team's 3 fastest or 3 strongest/biggest players are all on the same line.

There's no making a "speed line" and a "size line."
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As I noted previously, due to expansion, etc., not so easy for teams to get 3 guys who are each not fast, but UBER fast, or exceptionally strong. Three kinda fast guys are not enough. Too close to the level of competition. Three guys close enough to Hagelin, that's another story. Same parallel as to power from height and strength.


You put players in roles to succeed, and on lines with players they have chemistry with. You balance your lineup by putting players together who's skillsets complement each other.
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Yes, that is the BASIC thing everyone does because it is all they can do.
But if they can go beyond that and have
a line that is balanced
and also has chemstry
BUT THEN, ADD TO THAT THE RARE ASSET OF SYNERGY, where they are so fast, or so powerful, that the ability to compete is enhanced to possible point of domination,

THEN YES, you go that extra yard and that is what you do.
 
bernmeister said:
Thought of that too, but then concluded they are so deep, he probably just felt this refusal to sign was his best chance. Not necessarily so that he is not competent, just too many possibles ahead of him.
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Guys, this isn't rocket science, Hayes had zero chance of starting in the NHL this year if he stayed with Chicago. The Hawks would've signed him for 800-900k and promptly stuck him in the AHL for the year, where he would've made 60k. Hayes' reps, being the sharp guys that they are said "drop dead, that ain't gonna happen". He will find a job with a team that will promise him a shot at an NHL job, maybe New
York, who knows, but there is a market for his services this year in the NHL. He was one of the very best players in college hockey, he's big, can skate and is tough.....he'll find a good job in the league this year.
 
A good comp for Hayes by the way is Riley Sheahan, he was pretty effective last year in Detroit, Hayes has a similar skillset
 
There's no reason to argue: if we can get this kid, we should. Zero risk. If we need to clear contracts for a trade, we can always give away someone the way we gave away Parlett and Delisle in the Nash trade. I am sure someone will take a guy like Mueller if we need to clear space to get under the 50 contracts.
 
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