Bill the Thrill: Nylander appreciation thread

[ER89]

Why does it need to be a steal? This team needs Nylander the way he is playing. He is critical to playoff success. He isn't a role player on the leafs. He is part of the core that needs to anchor their success. Depth needs to be stolen, not core or you are just running a mickey mouse operation.

Never thought I'd see the day but this is bang f***ing on 67

 

[ToneDog]

Why does it need to be a steal? This team needs Nylander the way he is playing. He is critical to playoff success. He isn't a role player on the leafs. He is part of the core that needs to anchor their success. Depth needs to be stolen, not core or you are just running a mickey mouse operation.

Agreed he needs to be paid fairly but it would be nice if we could get them at a slight discount so we can surround them with better talent.

 

[DopeyFish]

nylander also was not garbage in any year

gtfoh with these trash takes.

 

[Notsince67]

Agreed he needs to be paid fairly but it would be nice if we could get them at a slight discount so we can surround them with better talent.

Every team is choking on cap. Look at the canucks. I'm not sure what a discount looks like. In any event, the only way out of cap issues for the league is for the leafs to go far in the playoffs. The league revenue will be driven a lot higher and the cap will increase a lot more.

 

[ToneDog]

nylander also was not garbage in any year

gtfoh with these trash takes.

He came in out of shape. Perhaps garbage is too harsh but he was not good.

7g 20a -4 in 54 games.

 

[MAB1]

I agree with Keefe that Nylander has another gear he can reach. When he was drafted I thought he could be a prime Seguin level forward, he looks like he might peak past that now. If they can lock him up under $10 million that's a discount imo. Some team is going to throw the bank at him to unleash him as their main C option. Imagine him on the Rangers top line feeding Panarin or Kreider? Maybe the Caps consider him their heir apparent to Backstrom or Kuznetsov?

They need to keep him. The core of this team has always been Matthews, Marner, Nylander. They added to it with Tavares but he'll be gone at some point. I personally think McDavid is the next GTA star to come back to the Leafs ala Tavares but we shall see on that one (That WHC years ago when McDavid-Matthews were on the same line in Toronto was foreshadowing). Regardless though the key to everything is those 3, this era of consistent playoffs started once those 3 came up full-time.

 

[saffronleaf]

My beautiful appreciation thread spoiled by the usual suspects

 

[Jojalu]

Well yes, that is what DUBAS did. But notice boston didn't do that with Pastrnak, or Colorado with Mackinnon.

Nylander is currently 20th in points. The player 19th makes 3 mil per year. The player at 21 makes 5 mil per year. If Nylander is a "steal", then those two players are the best contracts in the history of all professional sport.

Just because someone has a better contract doesn't make Nylander's a bad contract.

No one would ever argue Nylander is on the best contract in the NHL.

Thompson, Suziki, Robertson, Makar, both Hughes etc, etc,etc are examples of players getting paid for what they will become instead of for what they have done.

My point was it is how every other sport has operated for a while now and hockey is catching up.

Whether or not this is the right path is up in the air.

 

[leafs in five]

Bill Ny (the Wristshot Guy) is a better nickname

 

[ACC1224]

My beautiful appreciation thread spoiled by the usual suspects

'APPRECIATION' is a big word, happens every time.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

'APPRECIATION' is a big word, happens every time.

Can you spell it out for us in English?

Bunting - Mattphews - Nylander

Kerfoot - Tavares - Moarner

Jarnkrok - Kampf - Simmonds

Engvall - Holmbergo - Bar

Robustson , Clifford , Malgin

Desperately seeking Timo

 

[Dekes For Days]

Well yes, that is what DUBAS did. But notice boston didn't do that with Pastrnak, or Colorado with Mackinnon.

All of them did the exact same thing. Signed players based on what they had shown through their pre-signing period, and how they projected throughout their contract based on that.

 

[Jojalu]

Every team is choking on cap. Look at the canucks. I'm not sure what a discount looks like. In any event, the only way out of cap issues for the league is for the leafs to go far in the playoffs. The league revenue will be driven a lot higher and the cap will increase a lot more.

The flat cap of Covid has made a mess out of every team that is in hopes of making a deep run.

I can think of 5 teams off the top of my heaf that have had to dress less than the allowed amount over the past two years.

No one wants an injury but every team has a player or 2 that the burden would be lifted if they would just miss some time.

Great discussion on the other day about is it tougher to be a GM in a pre cap or post cap world.

Consensus was easily post cap is much tougher

 

[ZEBROA]

U let me down last game. No vote for u against Rangers!

Kidding . He is great hope he nets some goals soon again. Did not expect him to be this good this year.

Like his suddle goalcelebrations.

 

[saffronleaf]

kinda took the night off tonight. hope he's well rested and ready for washington.

 

[saffronleaf]

atta boy willy

 

[ER89]

Why does it need to be a steal? This team needs Nylander the way he is playing. He is critical to playoff success. He isn't a role player on the leafs. He is part of the core that needs to anchor their success. Depth needs to be stolen, not core or you are just running a mickey mouse operation.

we barely agree lmao but this is spot f***ing on

 

[Gabriel426]

Well yes, that is what DUBAS did. But notice boston didn't do that with Pastrnak, or Colorado with Mackinnon.

Nylander is currently 20th in points. The player 19th makes 3 mil per year. The player at 21 makes 5 mil per year. If Nylander is a "steal", then those two players are the best contracts in the history of all professional sport.

Pasta, Drai, Tage, J Robertson, MacK, Schief were/are steals. Nylander was garbage in year 1, better in each of the following years. Paid for the time he sat out and came in out of shape. I hardly call that a steal. His next one needs to be a "steal", but it won't be.

Mack is not a steal of a contract, at the time he signed he was deemed overpaid and they even moved him to RW bc Avs thought he couldn’t play C.
Pasta broke out after he signed his contract. If anything Bruins did well signing him to an extension before setting him with Bergeron and Marchand.
Drai was paid 8.5mil and at that time it was more to do with him putting up better numbers in the playoffs than McD while McD signed for 12.5mil-close to 25% more than the highest contract at that time.
Schief also signed before he broke out but if you ask me, he is someone who can put up points but can’t really play the 200ft game. He should be the best player leading the Jets, but I think Wheeler and Connor are better than him not to mention the streaky Ehlers.
Tage and J Rob really had one great season and they cash in. They are being paid below their future contract value but certainly not a steal.

Honestly, if the Leafs actually done something in the playoffs over the past 4 years or even winning a Cup or two, there will be none of these overpaid contract talks. And say Willie, AM, MM, JT, and Reilly all signed for 6mil less collectively. It doesn’t mean the player or players Dubas or Lou signed will help them as that money could be use on Marleau, JVR or whoever that just as good as someone like Kerfoot, Holl or Engvall.

 

[saffronleaf]

Honestly, if the Leafs actually done something in the playoffs over the past 4 years or even winning a Cup or two, there will be none of these overpaid contract talks. And say Willie, AM, MM, JT, and Reilly all signed for 6mil less collectively. It doesn’t mean the player or players Dubas or Lou signed will help them as that money could be use on Marleau, JVR or whoever that just as good as someone like Kerfoot, Holl or Engvall.

even without winning the cup, if the once in a century pandemic didn't happen i don't think anybody would be talking about their contracts.

 

[leafsfan5]

Well yes, that is what DUBAS did. But notice boston didn't do that with Pastrnak, or Colorado with Mackinnon.

Nylander is currently 20th in points. The player 19th makes 3 mil per year. The player at 21 makes 5 mil per year. If Nylander is a "steal", then those two players are the best contracts in the history of all professional sport.

Colorado 100% did that with Mackinnon

There was 0 argument Mackinnon was worth 6.3 million when he signed. At the time he was a 50 point center who was struggling to live up to the hype. They overpaid him with the expectation he would grow into the contract, and they were correct as he absolutely destroyed it

 

[therealkoho]

undercover superstar in the sense that he has always been lost in the shadows of Mitch and Auston. Realistically though he is every bit as talented. He has that exact same ability to take over games. Enigmatic early on in his career, but he's been sort of a model of consistency for the last 3 seasons.

From everything I've ever read on him he works his bag off, even though his personality suggests otherwise at times.

Really hoping we can make him a career Leaf, alongside Mitch and Auston.

I wouldn't say 3 seasons, but certainly almost 2 now, I was still cooking up deals for him at seasons end a couple of years ago lol.

Career Leaf? I certainly hope so, but the awful truth is that I think the Leafs will have to make a decision on one of them. It's however unfortunately a reality of cap limitations. One of them will go and the return will make the Leafs an even more competitive team. It should give them more choices if anything.

 

[1specter]

I wouldn't say 3 seasons, but certainly almost 2 now, I was still cooking up deals for him at seasons end a couple of years ago lol.

Career Leaf? I certainly hope so, but the awful truth is that I think the Leafs will have to make a decision on one of them. It's however unfortunately a reality of cap limitations. One of them will go and the return will make the Leafs an even more competitive team. It should give them more choices if anything.

I don't know about that. Big increases to cap supposed to come and almost the entire Leaf team outside of Rielly and Jarnkrok are going to be RFA/UFA in the next two summers.

Colorado has also managed to keep Landeskog, Makar, MacK and Rantanen and Tampa locked in Stamkos, Kuch, Point and Hedman, and also just signed Sergachev to 8.5/yr.

 

[Wendelstache]

Tell me we are not going to lose him to the Oilers are we?

 

[ACC1224]

Tell me we are not going to lose him to the Oilers are we?

If he makes it to UFA he will have a ton of suitors. No one goes to Edmonton unless they have no other options.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Colorado 100% did that with Mackinnon

There was 0 argument Mackinnon was worth 6.3 million when he signed. At the time he was a 50 point center who was struggling to live up to the hype. They overpaid him with the expectation he would grow into the contract, and they were correct as he absolutely destroyed it

Mackinnon had one bad elc year, but on the other 2 seasons he paced for 24 goals/60 points per 82.

6 mil seems right in the ballpark.

If we apply your logic to Matthews, we made a proven 69 career high point player the highest paid in the league (when term is included). That seems pretty silly.

But I'm out of this thread. When I first posted in it I thought we were in a Dubas contract thread, not an appreciation thread. So I don't want to further clutter it.