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Looking at capfriendly, I see one or two "bad" deals on the entire roster, Foligno and, maybe, Spurgeon. I dislike the Foligno deal and was hoping the Wild would move on from him, but when speaking of contracts only, he's the only truly bad deal, and is outweighed by the good deals that Boldy and JEE have. Greenway's deal went south but he didn't have trade protection until the final year of it so that worked out ok. We'll see what he does with Hartman, but I'm less sure of his ability to ink good contracts (and get out of bad ones) than I was a day ago. Not good, since that was his strong suit.

Now personnel decisions, I think that's where his real weakness is. He has stuck to trying to remain competitive and has built a deep prospect pool at the same time, but has not acquired the top talent required to be a contender rather than just competitive, either through the draft or through trades. Giving bottom-6 players multiple deals in short succession really makes it seem like he isn't interested in acquiring top talent. That's maybe an optics thing, but it's all we fans have to go on at the moment.

I think he's ok at trades. He's gotten fair value for almost every trade, and showed some real creativity last deadline.

I still think he's better than many GMs, but there are some warning signs that he may not be good enough. We'll see.
 
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The Wild owner was at the game two days ago, invited some journalists into his suite and talked about how important Zucc and Foligno are on this team. And this was before the contracts became official. So Leipold is obviously pulling some strings here, Guerin is not making these decisions alone if a contract is more than 2M a yr, according to Russo.

So let's hope the owner knows a lot about hockey, and has a good plan for the future...
 
Webster said:
The Wild owner was at the game two days ago, invited some journalists into his suite and talked about how important Zucc and Foligno are on this team. And this was before the contracts became official. So Leipold is obviously pulling some strings here, Guerin is not making these decisions alone if a contract is more than 2M a yr, according to Russo.

So let's hope the owner knows a lot about hockey, and has a good plan for the future...
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The owner knows his fanbase and his fanbase are largely f***ing morons
 
thestonedkoala said:
Basically, it's nepotism. Guerin thinks he knows better than anyone in the room, or that's the impression I get from the interviews and from his signings. I actually don't mind the signing of Zuccs, that makes sense. But the signing of Foligno is just bad.

We could have signed Fitzgerald, Yzerman, Zito...though glad we dodge Hextell.

But this is just going to mire Minnesota in mediocrity. Playoffs or bust. Not Stanley Cup or Bust, but playoffs.
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I'm not quite certain that nepotism applies.
 
BagHead said:
Looking at capfriendly, I see one or two "bad" deals on the entire roster, Foligno and, maybe, Spurgeon. I dislike the Foligno deal and was hoping the Wild would move on from him, but when speaking of contracts only, he's the only truly bad deal, and is outweighed by the good deals that Boldy and JEE have. Greenway's deal went south but he didn't have trade protection until the final year of it so that worked out ok. We'll see what he does with Hartman, but I'm less sure of his ability to ink good contracts (and get out of bad ones) than I was a day ago. Not good, since that was his strong suit.

Now personnel decisions, I think that's where his real weakness is. He has stuck to trying to remain competitive and has built a deep prospect pool at the same time, but has not acquired the top talent required to be a contender rather than just competitive, either through the draft or through trades. Giving bottom-6 players multiple deals in short succession really makes it seem like he isn't interested in acquiring top talent. That's maybe an optics thing, but it's all we fans have to go on at the moment.

I think he's ok at trades. He's gotten fair value for almost every trade, and showed some real creativity last deadline.

I still think he's better than many GMs, but there are some warning signs that he may not be good enough. We'll see.
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Boldy was one of the few signings I was truly happy about the day of.
 
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BagHead said:
Looking at capfriendly, I see one or two "bad" deals on the entire roster, Foligno and, maybe, Spurgeon. I dislike the Foligno deal and was hoping the Wild would move on from him, but when speaking of contracts only, he's the only truly bad deal, and is outweighed by the good deals that Boldy and JEE have. Greenway's deal went south but he didn't have trade protection until the final year of it so that worked out ok. We'll see what he does with Hartman, but I'm less sure of his ability to ink good contracts (and get out of bad ones) than I was a day ago. Not good, since that was his strong suit.

Now personnel decisions, I think that's where his real weakness is. He has stuck to trying to remain competitive and has built a deep prospect pool at the same time, but has not acquired the top talent required to be a contender rather than just competitive, either through the draft or through trades. Giving bottom-6 players multiple deals in short succession really makes it seem like he isn't interested in acquiring top talent. That's maybe an optics thing, but it's all we fans have to go on at the moment.

I think he's ok at trades. He's gotten fair value for almost every trade, and showed some real creativity last deadline.

I still think he's better than many GMs, but there are some warning signs that he may not be good enough. We'll see.
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Goligoski qualifies as "bad" too IMO, even though it's short and for low money, considering the role he has been in since even before he signed.
 
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Webster said:
The Wild owner was at the game two days ago, invited some journalists into his suite and talked about how important Zucc and Foligno are on this team. And this was before the contracts became official. So Leipold is obviously pulling some strings here, Guerin is not making these decisions alone if a contract is more than 2M a yr, according to Russo.

So let's hope the owner knows a lot about hockey, and has a good plan for the future...
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Disagree, CL has always taken the word of his GM. He's not a meddling owner. The GM convinces him of the move, he trusts them and thus touts the GM's ideas. Always has.
 
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TaLoN said:
I didn't mind either signing of Zucc (i even congratulated Fentonon the first deal) ... my only gripe with this recent one, no reason to do it now vs in January, it's not like he was going to get more expensive, also, no need for the NMC.
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Yeah I don't like those either but compared to the other contracts it's not egregious
 
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TaLoN said:
Disagree, CL has always taken the word of his GM. He's not a meddling owner. The GM convinces him of the move, he trusts them and thus touts the GM's ideas. Always has.
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I think CL has certain expectations from the guys he hires in order to hire them though. He may not be giving directives, but he's not gonna hire guys who would manage a certain way.
 
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AKL said:
I think CL has certain expectations from the guys he hires in order to hire them though. He may not be giving directives, but he's not gonna hire guys who would manage a certain way.
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Agree, just saying the Foligno deal wasn't string pulling by the owner.
 
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welcome to MN MILD stadium that should be our new logo. anybody not a wild fan knows we are not a contender AS IS. billy boy wants to keep the band together even if the players are on the decline. FIRE GUERIN while we still have a competitive team. im changing my vote. how can you add young talent when all the roster spots are full? answer YOU CAN'T!
 
The hardest pill for everyone to swallow will be when he resigns Kaprizov until he’s 37 at 4M more that his value per year. I love the guy, but we’re throwing away way too much money to keep him unless he’s down for a fair deal. All of the good teams have players signed that are bringing in huge value with respect to their contracts. To certain degree, I even think we’re one of those teams right now. Hartman has been a steal. Zuccarello and Kaprizov have produced above their contracts. Boldy was play for 900k last year. That is all going to go away soon. My hope was that when Guerin had money to play with, that he’d operate as if he didn’t and only sign value deals. I guess that will not be the case.
 
Minnewildsota said:
It doesn’t. That word doesn’t mean what he thinks it means
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the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them jobs...

Guerin has the guys he likes. NMC and NTC along with favorable contracts...
 
thestonedkoala said:
the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them jobs...

Guerin has the guys he likes. NMC and NTC along with favorable contracts...
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Ah. My bad. I thought you meant CL towards BG or nepotism was him thinking he’s smarter than everyone in the room. My misinterpretation. My bad.
 
Wabit said:
Naw he's insuring that if he does get fired the next guy is screwed (not in a good way).
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The Minnesota way...

Maybe that's their legacy; Risebrough screwed over Fletcher who screwed over Fenton who screwed over Guerin - it's the CIRCCCCLEEEEE OF LIFE.
 
Wabit said:
How did Fenton screw over Guerin?
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Basically forcing a mini rebuild and not getting any value for any of the players he traded away. Thank God Fiala turned out as a good as he was. But Rask and Donato. Also just in general the clean up of his personal issues.
 
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