Confirmed Trade: [WSH/LAK] Pierre-Luc Dubois for Darcy Kuemper (no salary retained)

[Sol]

still a L for the kings, kings gave up vilardi for PLD and while kuemper is playing like vezina candidate he is 34.

Ya don’t say?

 

[Lou Sassole]

The Capitals aren't looking to tank anytime soon. Given the players they have locked in long term and the quality of their prospect pool. They're looking to be competitive for years and years and years even after Ovechkin heads back home to Dynamo Moscow. We have seen nothing but great from PLD this year. Washington under Carbery has become a great place for hockey careers to thrive.

PLD also invited Leonard to stay with him while he gets settled in D.C. So he's added mentor to resume.

 

[Kurrilino]

So Vilardi + 2nd for Kuemper is good

Not sure if serious

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Not sure if serious

Not sure if serious

i'd do Vilardi + 2nd for Kuemper over Vilardi + 2nd for PLD any time any day

You can't be serious!

 

[Kurrilino]

Not sure if serious

i'd do Vilardi + 2nd for Kuemper over Vilardi + 2nd for PLD any time any day

You can't be serious!

I don't do any of those deals, just because one of them is slightly less disastrous.

 

[kylbaz]

PLD also invited Leonard to stay with him while he gets settled in D.C. So he's added mentor to resume.

Exactly who I would want mentoring, someone who's quit on three teams already.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

I don't do any of those deals, just because one of them is slightly less disastrous.

See, i would have signed Kuemper to a long term deal back in 2017.
Highly underrated goaltender. he's near .93% with LA overall, that's star level status

And basically what you'd prefer, is to have Vilardi at $3.4m and a $1m goaltender like Talbot

Because CAP is a thing

If this is the scenario, then we wouldn't be in a playoff position today

I know you'll wiggle yourself out of this convo, but you make it sound like Kuemper isn't a top 10 goalie in the league despite him proving it

So what's a top 10 goalie worth? VILARDI + 2nd

Don't buy it if it's too expensive for you, Halak is a free agent that can be had for $750k i'm sure

all good bud

 

[Lt Dan]

Not sure if serious

i'd do Vilardi + 2nd for Kuemper over Vilardi + 2nd for PLD any time any day

You can't be serious!

Bro! You airballed the perfect chance to call him Shirley

 

[Boxertim]

As a Winnipeg first, and only, fan….i am glad PLD found his footing in Washington. He was an amazing player in winnipeg until he wasn’t. I have no idea if he will stay amazing for you, but I hope his light switch doesn’t go off again.

With his nature in mind, I would be leery of having him in a position to mentor anybody. Whether he says it or not, the message he oozes would not create a winning team.

 

[Caps8112]

I dont know all the things PLD did in CLB, Winn and LA but I remember a Kings team that was pretty badass 10-15 years ago that won it all by collecting an assortment of previously thought defective players. He could regress to his past anytime but maybe he also knows this is his last real shot in the NHL

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

This is probably the most even 1 for 1 trade in the past decade. Both teams got what they needed.

 

[Voight]

I dont know all the things PLD did in CLB, Winn and LA but I remember a Kings team that was pretty badass 10-15 years ago that won it all by collecting an assortment of previously thought defective players. He could regress to his past anytime but maybe he also knows this is his last real shot in the NHL

Like who?

Kopitar, Brown, Doughty and Quick were all drafted by them.

Richards, Justin Williams and Carter were not defective by any means.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

This is probably the most even 1 for 1 trade in the past decade. Both teams got what they needed.

As long as I tell myself it was PLD for Kuemper straight up and memory hole anything that happened leading up to it, it keeps my blood pressure down and I can agree

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

As long as I tell myself it was PLD for Kuemper straight up and memory hole anything that happened leading up to it, it keeps my blood pressure down and I can agree

It will be interesting to see if PLD can keep this performance up over the next few years throughout his contract. I don't think he will, he doesn't have the mental toughness for it.

 

[hb13xchamps]

Like who?

Kopitar, Brown, Doughty and Quick were all drafted by them.

Richards, Justin Williams and Carter were not defective by any means.

I would assume they primarily meant Carter and Richards. IIRC, those two were big party animals and it was part of the reason they were run out of town

 

[JKG33]

Like who?

Kopitar, Brown, Doughty and Quick were all drafted by them.

Richards, Justin Williams and Carter were not defective by any means.

They weren't defective by any means, but outside of that core 4, most of the rest of the lineup were castoffs. Richards and Carter in particular were traded away specifically because the shit for brains behind their old team thought they were defective. Penner, Mitchell, Stoll, Regehr, Williams, Gaborik all played for multiple teams.

 

[Voight]

I would assume they primarily meant Carter and Richards. IIRC, those two were big party animals and it was part of the reason they were run out of town

Nobody on earth thought they were defective players tho. Maybe they weren't model citizens off the ice (I mean they were in their mid 20s at the time, I dont see a problem with them partying it up as long as it doesn't affect their on ice performance)

 

[qcal1427]

Nobody on earth thought they were defective players tho. Maybe they weren't model citizens off the ice (I mean they were in their mid 20s at the time, I dont see a problem with them partying it up as long as it doesn't affect their on ice performance)

They were both very much "guys you couldn't win with" that had "character problems"

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

This is probably the most even 1 for 1 trade in the past decade. Both teams got what they needed.

The irony is both sides were laughed at for different reasons. Washington for actually taking on PLD without any compensation and LA for reacquiring a player they dumped who, at that point, had a pretty lukewarm season.

It really was one of those "change of scenery" trades that just worked itself out.

 

[Voight]

They weren't defective by any means, but outside of that core 4, most of the rest of the lineup were castoffs. Richards and Carter in particular were traded away specifically because the shit for brains behind their old team thought they were defective. Penner, Mitchell, Stoll, Regehr, Williams, Gaborik all played for multiple teams.

Sure but they were your typical veteran additions to a playoff team. I wouldn't call any of them castoffs.

Playing for multiple teams isn't a negative nor should doing so result in a. player being labeled a castoff.

 

[Voight]

They were both very much "guys you couldn't win with" that had "character problems"

Guys you couldn't win with? The dudes who lead their team to the finals a year before their moronic GM jettisoned them? I dont recall people saying things like that about them.

Character problems was the Philly media doing their job of tearing down former players. Sure they partied a lot, but they still showed up to every game and performed great. What a shocker story, players in their mid 20s party a lot.

 

[JKG33]

Sure but they were your typical veteran additions to a playoff team. I wouldn't call any of them castoffs.

Playing for multiple teams isn't a negative nor should doing so result in a. player being labeled a castoff.

The thing is, Richards and Carter never get traded if Philly doesn't go full 'you know what.'

I don't view it as a negative at all. I'm not exactly a believer in Washington, but i cant deny that team has made additions similar to a lot of cup winners the last 15 years (LA, Vegas, and Florida come to mind)

 

[qcal1427]

Guys you couldn't win with? The dudes who lead their team to the finals a year before their moronic GM jettisoned them? I dont recall people saying things like that about them.

Character problems was the Philly media doing their job of tearing down former players. Sure they partied a lot, but they still showed up to every game and performed great. What a shocker story, players in their mid 20s party a lot.

In 2011 right before they were traded Carter had 2 points in 6 playoff games and Richards had 7 in 11 as they got swept in the second round. They were widely rumored to have refused to sign a "dry agreement" during the playoffs and even rumors about sleeping with teammates' wives.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

They weren't defective by any means, but outside of that core 4, most of the rest of the lineup were castoffs. Richards and Carter in particular were traded away specifically because the shit for brains behind their old team thought they were defective. Penner, Mitchell, Stoll, Regehr, Williams, Gaborik all played for multiple teams.

Yeah a lot of those guys were 'flawed'

Richards and Carter Dry Island, Carter's CBJ pouting
Penner...well to be fair everyone was right about him loafing, but he still had his moments
Mitchell was coming off injuries/major concussion
Scuderi people had worries about him holding up on a top pairing for 4 years
Stoll, Greene weren't seen as 'difference makers' and Kings gave up tons of production in Visnovsky
Regehr was injured and seen as damaged goods
Williams was seen as injury prone, had two major knee injuries basically back to back
Gaborik was injury ravaged and seen as cooked
Muzzin wasn't seen as top-pairing material and had a major back recovery (unless you didn't like Doughty then Muzzin/McNabb/Forbort were the reasons Doughty was actually good)

Some didn't work, like Simon Gagne, who could never recover form

hell even f***ing Jeff Schultz had a moment in the sun and the best stanley cup photo ever haha

 

[unicornpig]

Nobody on earth thought they were defective players tho. Maybe they weren't model citizens off the ice (I mean they were in their mid 20s at the time, I dont see a problem with them partying it up as long as it doesn't affect their on ice performance)

yea you dont.... phillys coach and management did.