Bill Guerin investigated for alleged abuse

[HanSolo]

I've wanted him gone. Maybe this will speed up the process.

Thanks for the insight Bill

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

He yelled at me I want him fired boo hoo

 

[Spurgeon]

Guerin has shown throughout his tenure here that he has the interpersonal skills of a chimp.

 

[Voight]

Same guy who tried to cover ups sexual assault, no surprise.

 

[57special]

Why are ex players in management roles in hockey teams, anyway? Those should be left to people that have an actual leadership education. Ex hockey players should be coaches or other related jobs. Makes no sense. They don't have any kind of qualifications for work like this.

Like Chuck Fletcher, Harvard grad? I am sure that MN (still paying for his moves) and PHI fans might tend to differ.

The truth is that there is no one formula that produces a good, or great GM. Usually(always?) there is a hockey background of some sort, but educational attainment can be a mixed bag from self taught(Sam Pollock) to the Ivy League. Talent comes from all kinds.

 

[57special]

BTW, while i am sorry that Andrew Heydt has had to go this route, because by all accounts he is a decent guy, this Wild fan is far more worried about Guerin's ability to assemble a winning hockey team. He, or people around him (i.e. Judd Brackett)have done some good things, but giving long term contracts to aging, bottom six players(Foligno, Gaudreau, Zuccarello, Goligoski, Hartman) prematurely has me worried about his ability to build a team. Most of those named above will be with the team for years into the future, blocking young talent, and their NMC's make them near impossible to move.

Guerin seems to have a temper problem, and makes impulsive decisions. This incident(s?)seems to be a warning sign of a person unfit to run an organization, but hey, if he gets us to a Conference final then all is good, right? Bottom line is that winning cures all.

The Wild are in 27th place in the league.

 

[thestonedkoala]

BTW, while i am sorry that Andrew Heydt has had to go this route, because by all accounts he is a decent guy, this Wild fan is far more worried about Guerin's ability to assemble a winning hockey team. He, or people around him (i.e. Judd Brackett)have done some good things, but giving long term contracts to aging, bottom six players(Foligno, Gaudreau, Zuccarello, Goligoski, Hartman) prematurely has me worried about his ability to build a team. Most of those named above will be with the team for years into the future, blocking young talent, and their NMC's make them near impossible to move.

Guerin seems to have a temper problem, and makes impulsive decisions. This incident(s?)seems to be a warning sign of a person unfit to run an organization, but hey, if he gets us to a Conference final then all is good, right? Bottom line is that winning cures all.

The Wild are in 27th place in the league.

Nail on the head.

He also got rid of Fletcher's country club and replaced it with his own.

 

[Bandit]

Guerin is a guy that once tomahawked a teammate during training camp and then hit him again with his stick while the guy was on the ice. Are we really surprised he’s an asshole?

Edit: I see some others already mentioned this. Glad I’m not the only one who remembers.

 

[Figgy44]

Wild ownership fired Fenton in around 2019 after about a year after it was discovered that internal morale was insanely low (on top of some questionable moves).

It must be pretty serious allegations if this this guy went through that, but refused to stay silent vs what Guerin was saying to him.

 

[rynryn]

Guerin has shown throughout his tenure here that he has the interpersonal skills of a chimp.

i'd replace "chimp" with "average hockey player who grew up in the 80s and 90s." He's very much a product of old school jock culture and all the stereotypes that come with that. I can absolutely see his brand of tough love/discipline being considered abuse by today's standards.

I for one don't think BG is bad at GMing in the technical capacity or his ability to assemble a cohesive team on the ice but I can certainly understand how his, uh, un-evolved method of communication would wear very thin on people around him--especially if they didn't mature in the same environment.

not excusing it--if you're in that position you have to read the room and realize people aren't going to put up with the same level of belligerence you may have thrived under.

 

[12ozPapa]

Yelling at your employees just shows immaturity.

 

[rynryn]

my big concern is why Russo burned his source like that. f***ed up. i wouldn't talk to Russo after that if i was inside the org. unless he had some sort of permission.

 

[Cup or Bust]

Guerin probably assumed the guys gender and the guy considered it violent assault against him.

Kidding aside, it's tough to know for sure what happened, what was said, and the context of the conversation to have a real sense of what happened.

 

[TheStatican]

Yelled at employee? Rofl.

Man oh man, the snowflakes teams employ these days... suck it up buttercup!

 

[Number8]

Guerin was at the very least a total and complete dick to certain members of his coaching staff in Pittsburgh. Long story there.

Not at all shocking to hear he's being a dick again.

 

[BagHead]

He yelled at me I want him fired boo hoo

Yelling at a person can be done as part of a heated argument, without resorting to verbal abuse. It appears, from your demeaning words, that maybe you weren't aware of that.

Per MensLine Australia:

Verbal abuse is the harmful use of language to control, intimidate or hurt someone. It can include behaviour such as name-calling, belittling, or using controlling or threatening language.

Arguing, on the other hand, is a disagreement or a difference of opinion which is expressed by the parties in a respectful manner. Although it may include strong emotions or raised voices, it is not intended to harm or demean the other person.

Given that Guerin isn't being fired, it seems he probably didn't cross that line, but I wanted to make it clear that there is a line.

 

[ThatGuy22]

my big concern is why Russo burned his source like that. f***ed up. i wouldn't talk to Russo after that if i was inside the org. unless he had some sort of permission.

I'm sure he had Heydt's go ahead.

Heydt probably wanted it in the public sphere as a bit of retaliation protection.

 

[Konnan511]

Guerin probably assumed the guys gender and the guy considered it violent assault against him.

Kidding aside, it's tough to know for sure what happened, what was said, and the context of the conversation to have a real sense of what happened.

Explain the joke? I don't get it.

 

[snag]

Will say, reading up on the guy it would seem there are a lot of demands and expectations of him....

Meet Andrew Heydt: The Wild's very, very busy 'Department of One'

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — As players and trainers changed out of their business suits and into more comfortable sweats and pajamas, as coaches and broadcasters settled into their first-class seats and took sips of wine and bites of dinner, Andrew Heydt stayed alert just in case something unexpected...

theathletic.com

 

[HTFN]

I think it's interesting how "Professional Conduct" seems to have morphed from generally carrying yourself like an adult into being responsible for the emotional states of everyone around you at all times.

Obviously adults should not yell at each other like they're the Drill Sergeant from Full Metal Jacket. That is bad behavior outside of a military training context. On the other, that we should all be so afraid of each other's feelings leads to our own walking on eggshells. There's a balance to be struck here, and posters piling in to threads to grouse about how yelling is bad mmmkay feel like they're just as much of a problem as a yeller.

If the boss is a screaming prick, that's bad. If your coworkers are a bunch of pheasants who cluck and peck at any signs of anger or personal conflict, that's also bad. Being a professional means putting your anger aside and not shouting, but it also means being able to keep your head when tensions do boil over. Nobody is impressed by the morality of dunking on a yeller, that's just being a judgemental gossip.

I had a hearty chuckle around pages 4-5 where some people were arguing about morality with a poster who clearly had a knowledge of the actual law. @ThatGuy22 well done lol

The only interesting thing about it is that some of us are continuing to try to understand others and have respect for their feelings day to day, and some of us think that's just too beyond the pale and a sign of a weakening society...

This isn't a "both sides" argument, generally don't yell at people. People asking you to find a different way to communicate aren't "as much of a problem" as the yeller, the f*** are you talking about?

It's really not difficult to be kind to people and have consideration for them beyond what you can legally get away with. I don't feel like I walk on eggshells in my workspace, I can still swear and make inappropriately dirty jokes, I just don't "get to" (or choose to) call someone a f***wit for making a mistake and generally berate them to improve performance.

A group of employees coming together to mutually decide that's not acceptable isn't "being a gossip" either, it's a positive step towards unionizing in having a collective advocate for work conditions instead of making it about one specific employee...

 

[David Suzuki]

He yelled at a guy and that’s it? It’s a hockey club. It’s not a kindergarten.

if you let your boss yell at you you need to man up brother

 

[snag]

The only interesting thing about it is that some of us are continuing to try to understand others and have respect for their feelings day to day, and some of us think that's just too beyond the pale and a sign of a weakening society...

This isn't a "both sides" argument, generally don't yell at people. People asking you to find a different way to communicate aren't "as much of a problem" as the yeller, the f*** are you talking about?

It's really not difficult to be kind to people and have consideration for them beyond what you can legally get away with.

Sometimes too though, I would rather know who I am dealing with. Some of the biggest bullies I have ever witnessed (in a workplace or otherwise) work in stealth mode.

 

[57special]

I want to hear the first presser that Guerin has after this.

- who asks him the tough questions(and who doesn't)

- what he answers(can almost guarantee he'll want to say no comment).

I hope that if the local reporters don't take him to task then the national ones do, and keep asking what and how he acted in his interactions with Heydt.

 

[HTFN]

Sometimes too though, I would rather know who I am dealing with. Some of the biggest bullies I have ever witnessed (in a workplace or otherwise) work in stealth mode.

A valid but very separate discussion, nobody likes a snake in the grass but the snake in the grass also doesn't generally "walk on eggshells" either because they're psychos and practiced bullies who know where the blind spots are.

My response was to some "lament of the common people" and how it's just too hard to navigate a workplace now when you have to walk on eggshells with everyone you speak to, and... that's just not true unless you have some shit you probably need to get out of your daily speech anyway. In my experience people who feel like things are "too sensitive" think because they're not dropping hard slurs they don't have problematic speech patterns, and then turn around and call any vaguely Asian ethnicity "Oriental" or talk about getting "gypped" at the corner store, or display a massive lack of understanding of sexuality/gender and don't want to concede "what they should be allowed to say" in order to learn to be better.

Not saying this is the poster I quoted directly of course, but that's what the resistance reminds me of.

 

[rynryn]

players themselves usually have solid friendly relationships with the guys in Heydts position--they do a ton for them and their families. Adds an extra little bit to a departmental conflict. he's been around a long time so it's a pretty safe bet he's popular.

I'm not completely familiar with whistleblower laws or if they apply here...but i can't imagine how he's going to be able to fulfil his role now.