Speculation: 2024-2025 General Discussion III: 4 nations, 4th line scoring

I'd be good with either, or both if the cap worked and the acquisition cost wasn't terrible, Evans and/or Armia. Both improve the middle/bottom 6, the pk, and have a solid 2 way game. Montreal might need to retain on Armia unless Tampa was sending salary back, but if that's the route JBB chooses to go, then it seems fine. Not interested in re-acqyiring Maroon.
 
I'd be good with either, or both if the cap worked and the acquisition cost wasn't terrible, Evans and/or Armia. Both improve the middle/bottom 6, the pk, and have a solid 2 way game. Montreal might need to retain on Armia unless Tampa was sending salary back, but if that's the route JBB chooses to go, then it seems fine. Not interested in re-acqyiring Maroon.
This is a sideways move at best. Our PK is near the top of the league, so is our GA. Evans is rocking a 20% shooting percentage, you think that holds up? What does Armia do considering he was waived this year and then brought back up. Going for both is wasting assets as a knee jerk reaction, and I like Evans too. Friedman is saying Montreal wants a second for Evans, multiple teams are going to jack that price up from there. If that's the price, go to Francis and get Bjorkstrand or Tolvanen by paying more. Evans or Armia don't really bring much to team if there is a bidding war. In the off season, I'm all for trying to sign UFA, but trading assets now is dumb
 
This is a sideways move at best. Our PK is near the top of the league, so is our GA. Evans is rocking a 20% shooting percentage, you think that holds up? What does Armia do considering he was waived this year and then brought back up. Going for both is wasting assets as a knee jerk reaction, and I like Evans too. Friedman is saying Montreal wants a second for Evans, multiple teams are going to jack that price up from there. If that's the price, go to Francis and get Bjorkstrand or Tolvanen by paying more. Evans or Armia don't really bring much to team if there is a bidding war. In the off season, I'm all for trying to sign UFA, but trading assets now is dumb
Evans is the same kind of add as Goodrow and to a bit of a lesser degree, Coleman. Most didn't think Hagel could keep that level of play (in terms of shooting %) up either. Not saying that Evans is on the same level as Hagel, but if Tampa looks to not go for a bigger name 2RW, adding someone like Evans for a 3rd line role is not a lateral move given the dearth of offense from the bottom 2 lines. Either Paul could move to line 2, or if Goncalves continues to dp well, it would improve the 3rd line with Paul-Evans-Geekie/Chaffee/additional add.

Armia would be secondary and more of a 4th liner/depth add, but he brings more offense than anyone else in the bottom 6 other than Paul. Bjorkstrand is still my top choice, and Tolvanen would be fine as well, but either of them will cost significantly more than either Evans or Armia, and if Francis makes either of them.available, JBB won't be the only GM submitting an offer in that case either.

If Tampa has multiple moves lined up, Evans and his cheap cap hit for this season allows Tampa more flexibility to make another move (or two), while also not paying much in the way of premium assets more than likely (and if there is a large bidding war over either, then JBB can always bow out if the price is too high for him). Neither is my preferred add, but I also wouldn't complain or think the team was worse off if JBB traded for either (provided the acquisition cost wasn't outrageous).
 
Evans is the same kind of add as Goodrow and to a bit of a lesser degree, Coleman. Most didn't think Hagel could keep that level of play (in terms of shooting %) up either. Not saying that Evans is on the same level as Hagel, but if Tampa looks to not go for a bigger name 2RW, adding someone like Evans for a 3rd line role is not a lateral move given the dearth of offense from the bottom 2 lines. Either Paul could move to line 2, or if Goncalves continues to dp well, it would improve the 3rd line with Paul-Evans-Geekie/Chaffee/additional add.

Armia would be secondary and more of a 4th liner/depth add, but he brings more offense than anyone else in the bottom 6 other than Paul. Bjorkstrand is still my top choice, and Tolvanen would be fine as well, but either of them will cost significantly more than either Evans or Armia, and if Francis makes either of them.available, JBB won't be the only GM submitting an offer in that case either.

If Tampa has multiple moves lined up, Evans and his cheap cap hit for this season allows Tampa more flexibility to make another move (or two), while also not paying much in the way of premium assets more than likely (and if there is a large bidding war over either, then JBB can always bow out if the price is too high for him). Neither is my preferred add, but I also wouldn't complain or think the team was worse off if JBB traded for either (provided the acquisition cost wasn't outrageous).
I think Evans is going to cost more than what you think
 
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Evans is the same kind of add as Goodrow and to a bit of a lesser degree, Coleman. Most didn't think Hagel could keep that level of play (in terms of shooting %) up either. Not saying that Evans is on the same level as Hagel, but if Tampa looks to not go for a bigger name 2RW, adding someone like Evans for a 3rd line role is not a lateral move given the dearth of offense from the bottom 2 lines. Either Paul could move to line 2, or if Goncalves continues to dp well, it would improve the 3rd line with Paul-Evans-Geekie/Chaffee/additional add.

Armia would be secondary and more of a 4th liner/depth add, but he brings more offense than anyone else in the bottom 6 other than Paul. Bjorkstrand is still my top choice, and Tolvanen would be fine as well, but either of them will cost significantly more than either Evans or Armia, and if Francis makes either of them.available, JBB won't be the only GM submitting an offer in that case either.

If Tampa has multiple moves lined up, Evans and his cheap cap hit for this season allows Tampa more flexibility to make another move (or two), while also not paying much in the way of premium assets more than likely (and if there is a large bidding war over either, then JBB can always bow out if the price is too high for him). Neither is my preferred add, but I also wouldn't complain or think the team was worse off if JBB traded for either (provided the acquisition cost wasn't outrageous).
Friedman is already saying Evans ask is a 2nd. There is going to be multiple teams in that conversation. Good chance that gets bumped to a 1st. If that becomes the price for Evans, it would be better to directly address the scoring issues and pay the premium for Tolvanen or Bjorkstrand if Francis is making them available. That's kind of my point. I like Evans and think he would be a great fit, but the cost if it gets pushed to 1st range, its not worth it to pay that and still not address the scoring issues. Evans shooting at 20% playing 15.5 minutes a game and might get close to 20 goals this season. I don't like that high shooting percentage, it was like Coleman coming and his shooting percentage dropping but his defensive game completely made up for it. We have enough defensive forwards, we need scoring depth and I don't see Evans being that solution for scoring depth and what he will cost is going to should push us to actually address scoring. But hey, I am just dumb internet shit poster, so I could be completely wrong (most likely).

Goodrow and Coleman made sense at the time because we really didn't have the PK or bottom lines shutting down anyone. We played games before them as a track meet, winning strictly by outscoring 5-4, 6-4 games. Right now, we aren't doing that. As much as we shit on the team, defensively, from the forward core and special teams, they are doing the best they have done since Goodrow and Coleman. If Armia is cheap, like 4th round pick, sure grab him. Whatever. But he doesn't make us much better or worse, he really doesn't move the needle much aside from depth in case of injuries.
 
With the cap going up the value deals will be productive players on ELC's/players with term, I'd much rather trade extra for Bjorkstrand and have him for next year than trade less for Evans only to sign him to an equivalent contract.

Also don't really think Evans is much of a fit, feels like some of his biggest selling points (center & pk) don't actually matter to us.
 
I think Evans is going to cost more than what you think
Cool, and if he does, JBB can simply move on to working on acquiring someone else. I wouldn't pay more than a 2nd+mid round pick/B prospect,/lower level roster player to balance e salary if needed, so if some team wants to trade a 1st or more for him, they can have him.
 
Friedman is already saying Evans ask is a 2nd. There is going to be multiple teams in that conversation. Good chance that gets bumped to a 1st. If that becomes the price for Evans, it would be better to directly address the scoring issues and pay the premium for Tolvanen or Bjorkstrand if Francis is making them available. That's kind of my point. I like Evans and think he would be a great fit, but the cost if it gets pushed to 1st range, its not worth it to pay that and still not address the scoring issues. Evans shooting at 20% playing 15.5 minutes a game and might get close to 20 goals this season. I don't like that high shooting percentage, it was like Coleman coming and his shooting percentage dropping but his defensive game completely made up for it. We have enough defensive forwards, we need scoring depth and I don't see Evans being that solution for scoring depth and what he will cost is going to should push us to actually address scoring. But hey, I am just dumb internet shit poster, so I could be completely wrong (most likely).

Goodrow and Coleman made sense at the time because we really didn't have the PK or bottom lines shutting down anyone. We played games before them as a track meet, winning strictly by outscoring 5-4, 6-4 games. Right now, we aren't doing that. As much as we shit on the team, defensively, from the forward core and special teams, they are doing the best they have done since Goodrow and Coleman. If Armia is cheap, like 4th round pick, sure grab him. Whatever. But he doesn't make us much better or worse, he really doesn't move the needle much aside from depth in case of injuries.
I pretty much agree. I wouldn't pay a 1st for him either. Bjorkstrand has been my too target for a while as well. I still think having players like Evans and Armia are the types that help a team push through in the playoffs (at least how they are playing now), but not players you break the bank to acquire (no more Jeannot blunders please). I'm not as worried about re-signing either, should they be acquired, as with the cap increasing, the space would be there.

I think it mostly just comes down to whether JBB feels they should add a player that's more of a top 6 fit, whether that's a guy with term such as Bjorkstrand. Tolvanen, Zetterlund etc, or a ufa such as Palmieri, or if he should focus on adding a couple of guys to the bottom 6 (where adds such as Evans and Armia would be more likely). Therr may be enough cap space to do both, but I also think he may be looking to add a dman, in which case there's probably enough room to add 1 F and 1 dman. He could get creative, though, and so 3 adds could still happen.
 
Chris Johnston went on Lightning Audio Network today, didn't really give any new information but reiterated they might be looking for another defenseman. Also said that JBB seems like he will be as all in as years past but last year they weren't really all in so idk what to make of that. He mentioned JBB doesn't talk about things publicly. It seems to me like a lot of these insiders are getting Lightning info via other teams / player agents.

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Chris Johnston went on Lightning Audio Network today, didn't really give any new information but reiterated they might be looking for another defenseman. Also said that JBB seems like he will be as all in as years past but last year they weren't really all in so idk what to make of that. He mentioned JBB doesn't talk about things publicly. It seems to me like a lot of these insiders are getting Lightning info via other teams / player agents.

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Valid attempt at reporting but these guys don't have a clue. As you said. You can only get information on Lightning whereabouts from anywhere else but the Lightning. And it's been like that for almost 15 years
 
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Chris Johnston went on Lightning Audio Network today, didn't really give any new information but reiterated they might be looking for another defenseman. Also said that JBB seems like he will be as all in as years past but last year they weren't really all in so idk what to make of that. He mentioned JBB doesn't talk about things publicly. It seems to me like a lot of these insiders are getting Lightning info via other teams / player agents.

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The only insider who ever seemed ahead of the curve on Lightning news was Pierre LeBrun. Not sure if that's still true, but there was a time when, if it came from him, you could trust it.

Everyone else, like you said, seems to be getting scraps about us from other teams.

Add: Oh, and in the Yzerman era, Darren Pang occasionally dropped inside knowledge. Usually anecdotal.
 
Some of the prices being floated around for midgrade rentals are insane. There aren't a lot of pieces on the board that are a big enough of an upgrade to be worth giving up 1sts for.
 
I know Pat wasn't fast and he got even slower over time, but I have no doubt in my mind he'd move the needle more than Girgensons on this team. Maroon at least boosts the testosterone of this midget ass forward group come playoffs. I'm all for bringing him back and playing him over Girgensons or Atkinson.
 
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The only insider who ever seemed ahead of the curve on Lightning news was Pierre LeBrun. Not sure if that's still true, but there was a time when, if it came from him, you could trust it.

Everyone else, like you said, seems to be getting scraps about us from other teams.

Add: Oh, and in the Yzerman era, Darren Pang occasionally dropped inside knowledge. Usually anecdotal.
Friedman occasionally gets scoops early, he was about a day or two early on the Guentzel trade. He was also probably right on the Hanifin interest but we decided to go for McDonagh instead after we had already decided they were moving Sergy at last TDL.
 
Friedman occasionally gets scoops early, he was about a day or two early on the Guentzel trade. He was also probably right on the Hanifin interest but we decided to go for McDonagh instead after we had already decided they were moving Sergy at last TDL.
Did Friedman report the decision was made last season on Sergachev? Seems like that's not how it actually played out. We only got Mcadonagh because he requested it.

Friedman is probably the best overall guy right now. But he seems to speculate about us as much as anyone. LeBrun, at least a few years ago, every once in a while would drop a piece if info nobody knew. I always suspected he was outside-of-hockey friends with Yzerman, but he seemed quick on a thing or two with JBB too.

I know Pat wasn't fast and he got even slower over time, but I have no doubt in my mind he'd move the needle more than Girgensons on this team. Maroon at least boosts the testosterone of this midget ass forward group come playoffs. I'm all for bringing him back and playing him over Girgensons or Atkinson.
I'd hire Pat Maroon just to give speeches on the team bus.
 
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The only insider who ever seemed ahead of the curve on Lightning news was Pierre LeBrun. Not sure if that's still true, but there was a time when, if it came from him, you could trust it.

Everyone else, like you said, seems to be getting scraps about us from other teams.

Add: Oh, and in the Yzerman era, Darren Pang occasionally dropped inside knowledge. Usually anecdotal.
Renaud Lavoie from RDS broke some stuff during the Yzerman era IIRC.
 
I was big on Kreider and Tuch but I don't see either happening unless we give up an arm and a leg. I thought Horvat was a possibility but Vancouver probably doesn't want to go that route anymore. Plus I got talked out of it by our resident BC thunder fan.

We are playing a lot better but something needs to give. We are an injury to Point away from Chaffee, Atkinson, Glendening, Perbix and Raddysh from being the recipient of any Kucherov cross ice one-timer in any given situation. Your other option is for Kucherov to move to the left wing and we let the team figure it out.


Edit: forgot about Cernak. Can't forget that sniper
 
Did Friedman report the decision was made last season on Sergachev? Seems like that's not how it actually played out. We only got Mcadonagh because he requested it.

Friedman is probably the best overall guy right now. But he seems to speculate about us as much as anyone. LeBrun, at least a few years ago, every once in a while would drop a piece if info nobody knew. I always suspected he was outside-of-hockey friends with Yzerman, but he seemed quick on a thing or two with JBB too.


I'd hire Pat Maroon just to give speeches on the team bus.
Friedman broke that Tampa had interest in Hanifin and then later that they had interest in Guenztel. It seems now with hindsight that Tampa had plans to trade Sergy as far back as that TDL when they had interest in Hanifin. Not saying they were going to trade Sergy before the TDL but just that the idea was there that he could be moved in the offseason. When they weren't able to get Hanifin they looked at other options and McDonagh who had interest in coming back to Tampa was an option.
 
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