Bill Guerin investigated for alleged abuse

[ThatGuy22]

For starters, I’m not inviting you to my holiday party.

I don’t really follow the Wilds and figured that Fenton was fired for performance. I don’t remember hearing any behavior issues.

And yes they have competition problems.

How can this be reconciled with AGM O’Hearn mutually leaving.

Something is going on.

Fenton was on the job 10 months and fired in August right before the season. He got fired for interpersonal reasons, not on the ice reasons. Basically, he was a dick. It's well reported on.

I'd love more info on the O'Hearn stuff. That's been tight lipped so far, but it's been said it's two separate investigations.

Guess there is that's more sexual harassment related or protected class related.

Regardless, Wild need to clean it up. Hope it starts with firing BG

 

[ThatGuy22]

Just so you know, menacing is a crime. You don't have to threaten to kill someone to get charged with it, either. The bar is much, much lower. Max jail time is 30 days. This is for Ohio anyways.

In most states, menacing involves a weapon. In the handful that it doesn't intent is extremely specific and not likely applicable in this situation.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

Fenton was on the job 10 months and fired in August right before the season. He got fired for interpersonal reasons, not on the ice reasons. Basically, he was a dick. It's well reported on.

I'd love more info on the O'Hearn stuff. That's been tight lipped so far, but it's been said it's two separate investigations.

Guess there is that's more sexual harassment related or protected class related.

Regardless, Wild need to clean it up. Hope it starts with firing BG

I guess that we agree that they do need to clean it up. There’s no success attached to Gueren anyways. So a clean cut would probably be easy. They have some good yoots and prospects, so moving on to a kinder, gentler Wild should be easy with the right GM.

 

[57special]

Strange how many people assume this was just raising his voice or something. We’re talking about a 10 year employee formally calling out the CEO. This isn’t easily explained by someone “yelling”.

I am guessing that this had to be really out of the ordinary. I don't see Heydt, who is well respected and experienced around the game, being afraid of a few swear words. I would guess there was a pattern here, or Guerin's behavior was so off the rails that Heydt felt he had to do something. Heydt has zero history of being a problem employee...quite the opposite.

I am just trying to figure out how this fits in with the O'Hearn dismissal. Was O'Hearn part of a verbally abusive tag team with Guerin? Or was it against Guerin, or with a completely different party? Whole thing doesn't add up yet.

One thing for sure. The "Team Culture" that Guerin goes on about all the time isn't just about the players, but starts at the top. If both the AGM and GM are being investigated by HR (and one of them dismissed)then there is a problem. Being that the previous GM was also fired prematurely, for similar reasons, the owner, Leipold, might have to take a long look in the mirror. He seems to be hiring, and somehow enabling, jerks.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Weird seeing so many people seemingly ok with “verbal abuse” in the workplace.

Anybody who blows their top like that always comes off as a complete clown to me. Yelling/cursing/etc. in that manner shows a failure in their ability to lead.

Talk to people like professional adults and they usually respond. And if they don’t then there’s a solution to that as well.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

Weird seeing so many people seemingly ok with “verbal abuse” in the workplace.

Anybody who blows their top like that always comes off as a complete clown to me. Yelling/cursing/etc. in that manner shows a failure in their ability to lead.

Talk to people like professional adults and they usually respond. And if they don’t then there’s a solution to that as well.

Yeah, at the very least berating people is a weak managerial method. Only done by bad managers. I’ve farted better ideas than berating people.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Weird seeing so many people seemingly ok with “verbal abuse” in the workplace.

Anybody who blows their top like that always comes off as a complete clown to me. Yelling/cursing/etc. in that manner shows a failure in their ability to lead.

Talk to people like professional adults and they usually respond. And if they don’t then there’s a solution to that as well.

Yeah, as a boss who owns a company, looking back on jobs I've worked, I can't fathom what managers I've worked for were trying to accomplish. If you are clear with what you want and hire hard working employees, they usually don't disappoint. It's not that difficult, and the mind game or tough guy leadership won't fix hiring the wrong people. That's on you as the boss.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

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Say what?

Where's Will Smith when you need him?

 

[bobbyb2009]

Power Harassment in the Workplace: Meaning, Signs, Examples

Use this guide to learn about what power harassment in the workplace is, and tips for how to prevent it in your organization.

www.caseiq.com

Ok?

Your article suggests:

How to Deal with Power Harassment​

Since the employer is automatically liable for harassment by a supervisor that results in a negative employment action (such as termination, failure to promote or hire, and loss of wages), it is important that every complaint be investigated immediately and steps to end the harassment be taken as soon as possible.
_______________________

It does NOT say, your employer is liable for harassment by a supervisor if he is being mean to you, being a jerk, or bullying you by not being polite. Liability would involve some result (termination, failure to promote, loss of wages, or treatment by creating tasks that are unreasonable or demeaning).

What has our world come to where every loud action, every harsh word, is taken as something that should end a career. It is different if he physically threatened an employee, or abused him sexually, but just mean, come on? Now, being mean is not necessarily what happened, but we do know that after an investigation, the club decided that he did not commit an offence worthy of termination.

What exactly more do you want? They received a complaint, investigated it, fallowed a process, and determined it not to be to the level of a termination, yet you seem to think that it is enough to end a career based on being a jerk. Who will be left to work in any company if that is the standard- almost all of us are jerks at some point in a 10 year span.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

Who said I wanted anything more than an investigation? Who is hypersensitive?

 

[bobbyb2009]

Verbal assault/verbal intimidation.

OK, this would be different. If someone is threatening you, that is different, and could even rise to being criminal (depending on the threats). But for example, yelling at someone for not having a bus arrive on time and calling that person names like moron, idiot, stupid (even with profanity added)- although not how I would want to act or be treated, is not harassment. It would just simply be bad leadership.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

OK, this would be different. If someone is threatening you, that is different, and could even rise to being criminal (depending on the threats). But for example, yelling at someone for not having a bus arrive on time and calling that person names like moron, idiot, stupid (even with profanity added)- although not how I would want to act or be treated, is not harassment. It would just simply be bad leadership.

Ok. I agree. I’m not pressing charges against Bill Gueren. I’m just saying that I would love to fire him.

 

[bobbyb2009]

It might just be verbal abuse, but organizations quickly lose quality people working under someone who is verbally abusive because who wants a boss like that.

If I had a boss who just yelled at me every morning I'd quickly find a new job, nobody needs that crap in their life.

And this is the best response. And eventually, the person being an asshole will not be hired again. But being an asshole is not a crime in itself.

Ok. I agree. I’m not pressing charges against Bill Gueren. I’m just saying that I would love to fire him.

Ah, yes. I gathered as much from the perspective you took I guess it is likely that his leadership is gong to be questioned by some in this one or any new role he may take on after being called out for being a jerk. One thing is for certain, he will one day be fired

 

[Nut Upstrom]

Whatever the heck is going on there, just keep it away from Matt Boldy. The kids been fire for my fantasy team lately, don't f*** that up Guerin.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

And this is the best response. And eventually, the person being an asshole will not be hired again. But being an asshole is not a crime in itself.

You’re defending a person’s right to be an asshole. A life well lived.

 

[bobbyb2009]

You’re defending a person’s right to be an asshole. A life well lived.

ABSOLUTELY!! Proudly!! You want to live in a world where we don't have that right? Who gets to decide what the definition of asshole is? You? No thank you sir. I would prefer living where you have the right to be one, and I have the right to act like one and also to only associate with those who treat me poorly or act in a way that I find distasteful when I absolutely must in order to move forward with my goals.

 

[Chuck Norris Trophy]

For all you "EVERYONE IS SO SOFF AND WOKE LOL BE A MAN" posters, you have no knowledge of what he said. For all we know it could have been death threats against his family, not saying that they are, but WE. DO. NOT. KNOW.

 

[snag]

For all you "EVERYONE IS SO SOFF AND WOKE LOL BE A MAN" posters, you have no knowledge of what he said. For all we know it could have been death threats against his family, not saying that they are, but WE. DO. NOT. KNOW.

Actually....based on what we do know, we can logically conclude it was in fact NOT death threats.
So that is completely ridiculous to use that in your argument.

The fact that against their code of conduct it was not a fireable offence, it comes off as someone's feelers got hurt because someone was perceived to be mean.

 

[ItWasJustified]

Yeah, at the very least berating people is a weak managerial method. Only done by bad managers. I’ve farted better ideas than berating people.

People that are incompetent need to be berated. Not saying that it's a case of incompetence here though.

 

[Chips]

People that are incompetent need to be berated. Not saying that it's a case of incompetence here though.

People who are incompetent shouldn’t be in that job. Whoever hired them is as responsible for it, and regardless berating them isn’t the way to go about it. Someone being bad at their job doesn’t make them less worthy of basic level of respect as a person unless you’re a child with little impulse control

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

The same dude who covered up his coach in Wilkes-Barre sexually assaulting another coach's wife is potentially a shitty dude in the workplace? I'm shocked.

 

[TheNumber4]

Strange how many people assume this was just raising his voice or something. We’re talking about a 10 year employee formally calling out the CEO. This isn’t easily explained by someone “yelling”.

10 years has nothing to do with it. Depends on the sensitivities of the person. At this point, there’s not enough info to say it was warranted or not. But apparently a lawyer involved investigation concluded it wasn’t worth a firing.

 

[MXD]

People that are incompetent need to be berated. Not saying that it's a case of incompetence here though.

An incompetent person shouldn't have been hired in the first place.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

ABSOLUTELY!! Proudly!! You want to live in a world where we don't have that right? Who gets to decide what the definition of asshole is? You? No thank you sir. I would prefer living where you have the right to be one, and I have the right to act like one and also to only associate with those who treat me poorly or act in a way that I find distasteful when I absolutely must in order to move forward with my goals.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

hopefully the organization can find more safe spaces to protect adult males from vicious words

Oh wow, you must be so tough and cool.

Let's not look into this. Hostile workplaces are cool and masculine.

Look, there is definitely a place for masculine courage in this world, times to step up and be counted. But propagating a toxic work environment with a power imbalance ain't the spot chief.