Bill Guerin investigated for alleged abuse

[Crazy Cizikas]

Sure. I guess if BG threatened to kill Heydt he could be held legally liable...

I'm 100% sure that's what you've been trying to articulate in this thread, as opposed to the general yelling and bullying you were talking about... /s

Glad I could find your argument for you.

Glad I was able to lead you to find it yourself with just a bit of prodding.

Drop your arrogance.

 

[glovesave_35]

Lots of dumb comments like “It’s a hockey team”. So? Is Andrew Heydt on the hockey team? Is Bill Guerin? No. They’re office workers like you and me.

If you had a boss who would yell and swear at you, maybe even in front of others and generally acted like an unhinged asshole, you’d do something about it. Theres something called professionalism in the workplace. This isn’t one teammate swearing at another teammate in a hockey game. This is a professional office environment and that behaviour is not appropriate.

Right. It's also not an oil field or some other blue collar environment where this type of thing seems to be more accepted. Let's not make this into a "woke safe space" issue.

I also don't put much into internal investigations in general. Let's let this play out and find out what really happened.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Glad I was able to lead you to find it yourself with just a bit of prodding.

Drop your arrogance.

That's rich coming from you.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Glad I was able to lead you to find it yourself with just a bit of prodding.

Drop your arrogance.

Don't think my arrogance is wrong. Had I added or threatened violence to my posts with protected class. Same result. You can be an absolute dick, as long as you don't violate laws.

Still can't name any case law or statues.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

Don't think my arrogance is wrong. Had I added or threatened violence to my posts with protected class. Same result. You can be an absolute dick, as long as you don't violate laws.

Still can't name any case law or statues.

Surely, you know that there are thousands of cases of people found guilty of crimes for just uttering words.

Yes, you can be a dick and not guilty of crimes as long as you don’t commit any crimes.

You can also be guilty of murder and not guilty of theft as long as you don’t steal anything.

 

[Kimota]

Verbal abuse? Jesus Christ

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

That's rich coming from you.

Thank you for your contribution.

 

[Turin]

Who gives a shit

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

Verbal abuse? Jesus Christ

Is this where someone says that it’s not abuse until someone loses a tooth?

 

[Dust]

It might just be verbal abuse, but organizations quickly lose quality people working under someone who is verbally abusive because who wants a boss like that.

If I had a boss who just yelled at me every morning I'd quickly find a new job, nobody needs that crap in their life.

 

[Guttersniped]

I feel like some of the posters here might be terrible to work with or haven’t had a real office job lately.

“Just verbal abuse? How can that be a problem?”. It can become a problem. Just because someone is the manager doesn’t mean they can do whatever they want.

An NHL GM should be capable of acting like a professional in a professional business setting.

 

[Kimota]

Is this where someone says that it’s not abuse until someone loses a tooth?

I had this discussion in these forums about a month ago about that very thing. It's just words.

If it's a crazy barrage in a heated discussion where Guerin was purposely being abusive verbally to another person and that person was shaken OK that may become an issue. Give him a fine. We cannot really know for sure if it's that or just a curse word.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

I feel like some of the posters here might be terrible to work with or haven’t had a real office job lately.

“Just verbal abuse? How can that be a problem?”. It can become a problem. Just because someone is the manager doesn’t mean they can do whatever they want.

An NHL GM should be capable of acting like a professional in a professional business setting.

Lotta tough guys who just bend over and take abuse.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

I'm kind of shocked Russo wrote this.

He has good access with both BG and Heydt(Heydt is somewhat routinely quoted or mentioned by Russo. Also had a profile or 3 done over the last decade).

This certainly jeopardizes it.

Maybe Heydt is one of his sources on it to have it on the public sphere if there is retaliation.

Russo has always been good at saying what he knows without exaggerating it, at least as I remember him when he covered some horrible Panthers teams. So, whatever comes of it, I'm sure he'll land on his feet. I miss him, as he covers what's going on honestly without sensationalizing.

 

[Gnome17]

Man this org is crumbling huh?

 

[Kimota]

I feel like some of the posters here might be terrible to work with or haven’t had a real office job lately.

“Just verbal abuse? How can that be a problem?”. It can become a problem. Just because someone is the manager doesn’t mean they can do whatever they want.

An NHL GM should be capable of acting like a professional in a professional business setting.

I think it depends of it's a recurring issue where the workplace becomes impossible to work, OK. But if it's just one time where someone lose his/her composure and go overboard, that's different. Hell people have altercations all the time at work. Esp. in a competitive environment. As long as it is solved quickly and it does not linger.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

I had this discussion in these forums about a month ago about that very thing. It's just words.

If it's a crazy barrage in a heated discussion where Guerin was purposely being abusive verbally to another person and that person was shaken OK that may become an issue. Give him a fine. We cannot really know for sure if it's that or just a curse word.

For an internal investigation, I'd guess it's more of a put you in your place power move than blue language. But who knows.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Russo has always been good at saying what he knows without exaggerating it, at least as I remember him when he covered some horrible Panthers teams. So, whatever comes of it, I'm sure he'll land on his feet. I miss him, as he covers what's going on honestly without sensationalizing.

He's the best on Day to day stuff and a great feature writer. But, he has in the past clearly pulled some punches and not reported info he knew fans were interested in.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

I think it depends of it's a recurring issue where the workplace becomes impossible to work, OK. But if it's just one time where someone lose his/her composure and go overboard, that's different. Hell people have altercations all the time at work. Esp. in a competitive environment. As long as it is solved quickly and it does not linger.

I think that people withstand as much as they can and only complain when situations become unbearable. So I would guess that this was a continuing bad workplace.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

He's the best on Day to day stuff and a great feature writer. But, he has in the past clearly pulled some punches and not reported info he knew fans were interested in.

Yeah, I agree on that. Like I said, he covered some train wreck teams in Florida, from ownership to players. So, what I was trying to say is that he doesn't have a history of overstating a minor issue.

 

[ThatGuy22]

I think that people withstand as much as they can and only complain when situations become unbearable. So I would guess that this was a continuing bad workplace.

Putting our other conversation aside, I disagree.

Let's not forget the Wild's previous GM(Fenton) got fired over literally being a dick to employees. Heydt surely recieved some of that.

I suspect that the Nov. losing streak, him having to fire Evason and the pressure that puts on BG had him snap over something under Heydts purview. Whether it was heydts fault or not.

And he wanted to start the paper trail, get it on record.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

Putting our other conversation aside, I disagree.

Let's not forget the Wild's previous GM(Fenton) got fired over literally being a dick to employees. Heydt surely recieved some of that.

I suspect that the Nov. losing streak, him having to fire Evason and the pressure that puts on BG had him snap over something under Heydts purview. Whether it was heydts fault or not.

For starters, I’m not inviting you to my holiday party.

I don’t really follow the Wilds and figured that Fenton was fired for performance. I don’t remember hearing any behavior issues.

And yes they have competition problems.

How can this be reconciled with AGM O’Hearn mutually leaving.

Something is going on.

 

[3074326]

Sure. I guess if BG threatened to kill Heydt he could be held legally liable...

I'm 100% sure that's what you've been trying to articulate in this thread, as opposed to the general yelling and bullying you were talking about... /s

Glad I could find your argument for you.

Just so you know, menacing is a crime. You don't have to threaten to kill someone to get charged with it, either. The bar is much, much lower. Max jail time is 30 days. This is for Ohio anyways.

 

[Al Lagoon]

Say what?

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

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Say what?

This is terrifying. He looks like Pennywise.