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Bill Guerin investigated for alleged abuse

I'm sure this is what the investigation was about, but it would be nice to know if this is an everyday/normal/systemic thing, or a one-off type deal.
 
Crazy Cizikas said:
You could say that about any job. Ultimately bosses cannot verbally abuse employees. What constitutes verbal abuse is a different issue. But there are a lot of levels between and the adult world. So your comparison falls flat.
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Lol. Cannot and should not are not the same thing.

There are zero laws against "verbal abuse" in the work place. Not a single state has one, unless it's protected class related(Rsce, religion, gender, etc).
 
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Fatass said:
He yelled at someone. It’s a hockey club. It’s a bunch of guys. There will be yelling. Yell back.
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For starters, the employees of a hockey club extend beyond “a bunch of guys”. Secondly, you can’t treat employees like shit even if they are just guys. This isn’t a tough guy thing; this is an employment thing. And we’ve evolved beyond the dehumanization of employees. Most of us can’t even fathom what employers were allowed to get away with 150 years ago. We’ve moved on.
 
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ThatGuy22 said:
Lol. Cannot and should not are not the same thing.

There are zero laws against "verbal abuse" in the work place. Not a single state has one, unless it's protected class related(Rsce, religion, gender, etc).
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There are employment statutes. That you don’t know that makes me wonder whether you should be commenting in this thread.
 
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Crazy Cizikas said:
For starters, the employees of a hockey club extend beyond “a bunch of guys”. Secondly, you can’t treat employees like shit even if they are just guys. This isn’t a tough guy thing; this is an employment thing. And we’ve evolved beyond the dehumanization of employees. Most of us can’t even fathom what employers were allowed to get away with 150 years ago. We’ve moved on.
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Imo a hockey club will have guys who are super competitive all over the place. There’s going to be yelling. If a guy can’t take the heat …
 
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Given the timelines, and people involved my bet is this is happened, with some background.

1)BG is a known hot head.
2) the timing of the complaint coincides with the long losing streak, and Evason firing.
3)This puts pressure on BG.
4) Somthing in logistics got f***ed up. Hotel reservation, Bus not on time, doesn't matter what really. Or even if it was Heydts fault or 3rd part contract like a bus company.
5) BG feeling the job pressure snapped and dressed him down good, perhaps unwarranted.
 
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Latartoyl said:
The article says the employee who filed the complaint is a 10 year employee and somebody Guerin interacts with every day. So not just yelling at some intern.

"The employee who filed the complaint, according to team sources, is Andrew Heydt, the Wild’s director of team operations and player relations. Heydt has been in that position for 10 years and oversees team travel, logistics, and player and alumni relations.

Heydt has been absent from work the past couple of days after traveling with the team on its most recent road trip. In his role, Heydt interacts with Guerin on an almost daily basis."
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Lmao so the team finds he didn't commit a fireable offense and then his second in command up and quits? Okay.
 
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Crazy Cizikas said:
There are employment statutes. That you don’t know that makes me wonder whether you should be commenting in this thread.
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Name the employment statue in any US state that prohibits yelling at employees or in general being a dick.

I'll wait.

Or just take a look at these.
 



work.chron.com

Is Your Boss Allowed to Yell at You?

Is Your Boss Allowed to Yell at You?. Bosses who yell may fit into several different categories, ranging from those who are highly emotional to those who want to bully people to get things done. Although a boss who yells is no fun to deal with, and is oft
work.chron.com work.chron.com

www.google.com

Is it ever OK for your boss to yell at people in the workplace?

Bad bosses are a dime a dozen, but changing workplace norms increasingly discourage managers who loudly berate employees.
www.google.com www.google.com
 
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ThatGuy22 said:
Name the employment statue in any US state that prohibits yelling at employees or in general being a dick.

I'll wait.

Or just take a look at these.
 



work.chron.com

Is Your Boss Allowed to Yell at You?

Is Your Boss Allowed to Yell at You?. Bosses who yell may fit into several different categories, ranging from those who are highly emotional to those who want to bully people to get things done. Although a boss who yells is no fun to deal with, and is oft
work.chron.com work.chron.com

www.google.com

Is it ever OK for your boss to yell at people in the workplace?

Bad bosses are a dime a dozen, but changing workplace norms increasingly discourage managers who loudly berate employees.
www.google.com www.google.com
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He’s not accused of yelling. He’s accused of verbal abuse.
 
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Crazy Cizikas said:
For starters, the employees of a hockey club extend beyond “a bunch of guys”. Secondly, you can’t treat employees like shit even if they are just guys. This isn’t a tough guy thing; this is an employment thing. And we’ve evolved beyond the dehumanization of employees. Most of us can’t even fathom what employers were allowed to get away with 150 years ago. We’ve moved on.
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You keep saying can't when you should be saying shouldn't. You absolutely can treat employees like shit, as long as its not protected class related.

I've been on the fire BG team for a number of years, so this isn't me protecting "my guy". I'd have loved it if they used it as an excuse to can him.

But legally can't and morally shouldn't aren't the same thing.
 
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tarheelhockey said:
Strange how many people assume this was just raising his voice or something. We’re talking about a 10 year employee formally calling out the CEO. This isn’t easily explained by someone “yelling”.
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Bootlickers will lick boots, it’s the unfortunate plight of subservient wusses who have been trained to take that shit from higher ups. Forgive them, they know not that this ain’t normal.
 
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Crazy Cizikas said:
He’s not accused of yelling. He’s accused of verbal abuse.
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What's the statue with verbal abuse? What's the legal definition. One of those articles even says straight up bullying is legally ok, as long as its not protected class.
 
ThatGuy22 said:
You keep saying can't when you should be saying shouldn't. You absolutely can treat employees like shit, as long as its not protected class related.

I've been on the fire BG team for a number of years, so this isn't me protecting "my guy". I'd have loved it if they used it as an excuse to can him.

But legally can't and morally shouldn't aren't the same thing.
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The Civil Rights Act has nothing to do with this. I have no idea why you keep referencing protected classes.

And yes, overly berating an employee can, should, and has led to civil liability.
 
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Fatass said:
He yelled at someone. It’s a hockey club. It’s a bunch of guys. There will be yelling. Yell back.
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It's a business.

Whether its "a bunch of guys" or not is also utterly irrelevant.
 
Crazy Cizikas said:
The Civil Rights Act has nothing to do with this. I have no idea why you keep referencing protected classes.

And yes, overly berating an employee can, should, and has led to civil liability.
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What's the case? What law?

I posted 3 sources. One major news, one from an employment specific related lawfirm. All said it's perfectly legal to be a dick to your employees.

I've provided evidence. You haven't. Show your work.

Every succesful case I've ever seen has a protected class related reason, that it was successful. Which is why I keep mentioning protected class.
 
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mkatcherin00 said:
Says verbal.

Probably yelled at a young employee lol

The alleged incident that led to the investigation occurred in late November and was reported to the team’s HR department, which commissioned an outside law firm to investigate. Two attorneys traveled to St. Paul and interviewed more than 15 members of the organization.

Two team sources indicated that the investigation into Guerin’s alleged behavior was complete and the findings were delivered to upper management and ownership early this week. Wild management determined that Guerin had not committed a fireable offense, team sources said Wednesday.
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Nothing to see here, carry on... The guys we pay say we do a great job!
 
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ThatGuy22 said:
What's the case? What law?

I posted 3 sources. One major news, one from an employment specific related lawfirm. All said it's perfectly legal to be a dick to your employees.

I've provided evidence. You haven't. Show your work.

Every succesful case I've ever seen has a protected class related reason, that it was successful. Which is why I keep mentioning protected class.
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Why are you acting like Guerin is potentially going to jail
 
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