Best player in the world: 2016

[wetcoast]

Because voting for the best player as opposed to the most popular player is preferable?

Why are you quoting me, my position has zero to do with popularity but rather in answering the question the OP I asking.

The previous season?

Kane was leading the league in points before his injury ended his regular season.
He came back for the playoffs, led the playoffs in scoring, and won the cup.

Then the following year he destroyed the league in points.

"On the radar?" Yea, I think so.

Not for best player in the world Kane wasn't maybe best fantasy player since he was a winger.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

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NHL scoring leaders during the 2010s. NHL stats leaders in the decade spanning from 2010 to 2019.

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Not on the radar.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

That still doesn’t explain why he gets to wear that rep as “best player” when other players out performed him. I give him all the credit for his consistency, but again..being up there with the best shouldn’t automatically give him that title.


Using “hate” to justify someone disagreeing with you is the weakest argument.

One one guy is consistently at the top while others have a peak season then fall off never to be seen again. It's obvious who the best player is

 

[FrankSidebottom]

@FrankSidebottom you should include the 2017-18 season, that would result in a list of 20 complete NHL seasons when this series concludes.

As to this poll, for the forwards Kane was the best player, Crosby is up there too though there were some standouts on defence as well (like Karlsson).

Yes, I even tend to make it till 2022. May be some very interesting discussions about 2019, 2020 and 2022 as well.

 

[Video Nasty]

… and again

Laugh all you want. It’s something that happened to a healthy Crosby by a player only a year younger.

I voted for Crosby multiple times throughout this poll series (4x). I suppose it’s just not enough unless it’s every single year.

 

[M88K]

One one guy is consistently at the top while others have a peak season then fall off never to be seen again. It's obvious who the best player is

Just so we're clear here.
The totals from 15/16 and 16-17 shake out as such (2yrs)
#1. Kane (164gp-80g-115a-195p- +28 1.19ppg(#1)) 135p @ Even
#2. Crosby (155gp-80g-94a-174p- +36 1.12ppg(#3)) 125p @ Even

If we do 14/15 -16-17 (3 yrs)
#1. Kane (225gp-107g-152a-259p- +38 1.15ppg)
#2. Crosby(232gp-108g-150a-258p +41 1.11ppg)

if you add 17/18 (4yrs), Crosby finally overtakes Kane, With +12p lead and +7gp lead.
#1 Crosby 314gp-137g-210a-347p +41 1.11ppg
#2 Kane 307gp- 134g-201a-335p +18 1.09ppg

If you have 18/19 (5yrs)
Crosby has a 2p lead while playing 5 more games.
#1 Crosby 393gp-172g-275a-447p +59 1.14ppg 298 @ Even
#2 Kane 388gp-178g-267a-445p +20 1.15ppg 311 @ Even




So looks like Kane is consistently at the top too. while also being the far and away best player the year in question

 

[GreatGonzo]

Oh would you look at that. A poster telling people to touch grass on a hockey forum when posters disagree with him wants to give away free lessons on what to do when someone disagrees with you !

Not to mention that 2/3 of your posts are concerning Crosby takes that you don’t agree with. So ironic

When someone is as irrational as MJ is with Crosby, there is no room for agreeing or disagreeing.

Look at that…You continue to contribute nothing to the conversation. You’re a just a troll looking to ruffle some feathers, that’s why maybe getting some fresh air might benefit you. Maybe a walk?

You’re not debating, you’re attacking. Know the difference before wasting everyone’s time with your bullshit.

I'm curious to see if McDavid gets the same "best season vs best player" treatment once his prime begins. I'll go ahead and say it right now, I don't think he has any inarguable seasons until 2020-21. Crosby is likely my pick for 2017 when you factor in the playoffs, Mackinnon isn't too far off from McDavid in 2018 (although I may still lean toward McDavid given how great he was in the 2nd half of the season), Kucherov was better in 2019, and Draisaitl was very good in 2020. Despite that, McDavid was considered the best player in the world by general consensus after 2017. I'd like to think these arguments aren't simply being made in favor of Crosby so it'll be interesting to see how things go.

McDavid better get the same treatment. He peaked higher and longer than Crosby ever did. He accomplished more, and even in the playoffs, he was stellar. We haven’t seen McDavid dip drastically like Crosby did in 2015.

 

[GreatGonzo]

One one guy is consistently at the top while others have a peak season then fall off never to be seen again. It's obvious who the best player is

What nonsense is this see below.

Just so we're clear here.
The totals from 15/16 and 16-17 shake out as such (2yrs)
#1. Kane (164gp-80g-115a-195p- +28 1.19ppg(#1)) 135p @ Even
#2. Crosby (155gp-80g-94a-174p- +36 1.12ppg(#3)) 125p @ Even

If we do 14/15 -16-17 (3 yrs)
#1. Kane (225gp-107g-152a-259p- +38 1.15ppg)
#2. Crosby(232gp-108g-150a-258p +41 1.11ppg)

if you add 17/18 (4yrs), Crosby finally overtakes Kane, With +12p lead and +7gp lead.
#1 Crosby 314gp-137g-210a-347p +41 1.11ppg
#2 Kane 307gp- 134g-201a-335p +18 1.09ppg

If you have 18/19 (5yrs)
Crosby has a 2p lead while playing 5 more games.
#1 Crosby 393gp-172g-275a-447p +59 1.14ppg
#2 Kane 388gp-178g-267a-445p +20 1.15ppg


So looks like Kane is consistently at the top too. while also being the far and away best player the year in question

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

What nonsense is this see below.

Lol they had similar offensive Stats but that's all Kane has. Crosby is not only better at that but miles better in every other facet. Just like Crosby was better in 18-19 even though Kane had 16 more points. 2nd in hart. 4th in selke

Look at that…You continue to contribute nothing to the conversation. You’re a just a troll looking to ruffle some feathers, that’s why maybe getting some fresh air might benefit you. Maybe a walk?

You’re not debating, you’re attacking. Know the difference before wasting everyone’s time with your bullshit.


McDavid better get the same treatment. He peaked higher and longer than Crosby ever did. He accomplished more, and even in the playoffs, he was stellar. We haven’t seen McDavid dip drastically like Crosby did in 2015.

Let's see already 9 points back of the art ross at the same age sid supposedly dipped in 2015. Crosby lost the ross by 3 let's see what happens here. Let's go hughes whoooo hooooo

 

[GreatGonzo]

Lol they had similar offensive Stats but that's all Kane has. Crosby is not only better at that but miles better in every other facet. Just like Crosby was better in 18-19 even though Kane had 16 more points. 2nd in hart. 4th in selke

You claimed he wasn’t “near the top” and that was debunked. Now you’re changing the standards? Classic

Also, Kane is no defensive stud but Crosbys defensive game is definitely overrated.

Lol they had similar offensive Stats but that's all Kane has. Crosby is not only better at that but miles better in every other facet. Just like Crosby was better in 18-19 even though Kane had 16 more points. 2nd in hart. 4th in selke


Let's see already 9 points back of the art ross at the same age sid supposedly dipped in 2015. Crosby lost the ross by 3 let's see what happens here. Let's go hughes whoooo hooooo

Who did he lose the Art Ross too again in both 2015 and 2016? Strange for the best player in the world to lose to such inferior players

 

[MessierII]

Hot take I’ll say it was still price

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

You claimed he wasn’t “near the top” and that was debunked. Now you’re changing the standards? Classic

Also, Kane is no defensive stud but Crosbys defensive game is definitely overrated.


Who did he lose the Art Ross too again in both 2015 and 2016? Strange for the best player in the world to lose to such inferior players

Meh it happens. McDavid lost to kucherov and drai and has had trouble beating the likes of huberdeau and giroux so like I said meh

 

[GreatGonzo]

Meh it happens. McDavid lost to kucherov and drai and has had trouble beating the likes of huberdeau and giroux so like I said meh

last time I checked Jamie Benn wasn’t better than Kucherov or Drai. Again, the best player gets to be the best while losing to inferior players?

 

[Regal]

I'm curious to see if McDavid gets the same "best season vs best player" treatment once his prime begins. I'll go ahead and say it right now, I don't think he has any inarguable seasons until 2020-21. Crosby is likely my pick for 2017 when you factor in the playoffs, Mackinnon isn't too far off from McDavid in 2018 (although I may still lean toward McDavid given how great he was in the 2nd half of the season), Kucherov was better in 2019, and Draisaitl was very good in 2020. Despite that, McDavid was considered the best player in the world by general consensus after 2017. I'd like to think these arguments aren't simply being made in favor of Crosby so it'll be interesting to see how things go.

In the first post on these polls the OP said they would stop at 2016, because the assumption is that McDavid would win the rest of the way. I think that may have been adjusted to add one more poll for 2017 since Crosby still had a strong year. But if we did, I would assume it would be the same. The people who have focused on “best player” rather than “best season” (which was also part of the explanation for the first poll) have done so throughout this series before Crosby was relevant to the discussion.

 

[x Tame Impala]

Best player does not always have the best season and in 2016, the best player was still Sidney Crosby.

You could package Kane and Price and it would not get you Crosby in a trade

Patrick Kane and Carey Price in a 2015/2016 package would’ve gotten any player in the league. That’s one of the best forwards in the world and arguably the best goalie in the world. Too much hyperbole there my friend.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Why are you quoting me, my position has zero to do with popularity but rather in answering the question the OP I asking.


Not for best player in the world Kane wasn't maybe best fantasy player since he was a winger.

Funny how when Crosby leads the league in scoring it’s “best player” but when Kane does it it’s “fantasy player.” You have to knock one’s achievements because your insecure about your golden boys place in the rankings.

 

[Voight]

One one guy is consistently at the top while others have a peak season then fall off never to be seen again. It's obvious who the best player is

Thats funny cause from 2016-2021 Kane was top 10 in points every season but 2018.

I wouldn't call that falling off never to be seen again.

 

[Albatros]

Patrick Kane and Carey Price in a 2015/2016 package would’ve gotten any player in the league. That’s one of the best forwards in the world and arguably the best goalie in the world. Too much hyperbole there my friend.

The Penguins wouldn't have went from Crosby and Fleury to Kane and Price.

 

[norrisnick]

Why are you quoting me, my position has zero to do with popularity but rather in answering the question the OP I asking.

Because you posted the statement I was responding to.

 

[wetcoast]

2010s NHL Scoring Leaders

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www.quanthockey.com

Not on the radar.

35 more points in 113 more games kinda slants the argument for the more productive player right?

 

[GreatGonzo]

35 more points in 113 more games kinda slants the argument for the more productive player right?

He never said he was a better offensive player that Crosby overall. Nice try though. His point was pretty simple. Kane has been one of the top offensive guys in the league. Many are trying to argue that his year was a one and done occurrence when it wasn’t. Or posters like you calling his stats “fantasy.”

 

[wetcoast]

Funny how when Crosby leads the league in scoring it’s “best player” but when Kane does it it’s “fantasy player.”

Kane doesn't bring anything else to the table besides offense.

Seriously there was zero discussion after the 16 season where people went yup there was a changing of the guard and Kane was now the best player in the world....the only discussion going on was how long until McDavid took the title.

You have to knock one’s achievements because your insecure about your golden boys place in the rankings.

Seriously dude if anyone ine is being insecure it's you.

If you want to disagree that fine but consistently fudging the intention of my posts then throwing out the golden boy BS is just that.

It's just not a good look for you.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Kane doesn't bring anything else to the table besides offense.

Seriously there was zero discussion after the 16 season where people went yup there was a changing of the guard and Kane was now the best player in the world....the only discussion going on was how long until McDavid took the title.


Seriously dude if anyone ine is being insecure it's you.

If you want to disagree that fine but consistently fudging the intention of my posts then throwing out the golden boy BS is just that.

It's just not a good look for you.

Kanes offense was a huge contribution to three Stanley cups, a smythe, and two smythe worthy performances. It also won him a Hart, Lindsay, and Art Ross over your beloved Crosby. Once again, you need to belittle one’s style and achievements in order to make an argument for Crosby. It’s nonsense. As for bringing more to the table, Crosby is an offensive first player. Always has been, and that’s been a big part of why he’s the best of his generation.

Kane still held the title whether you like it or not, which of course you don’t. Learn to deal with it first.

That’s classic. “Im not insecure! You are!”

 

[M88K]

35 more points in 113 more games kinda slants the argument for the more productive player right?

Sure, but he plays on a team with the 6th most productive player. Kane doesn't have a linemate in the top 10 who's also over ppg. In fact his closest teammate is barely top 20

 

[wetcoast]

Because you posted the statement I was responding to.

Well you are misguided as I never vote for the most popular player in these polls simply the guy that I think is the number 1 player in the world at the time.