Prospect Info: Bakersfield Condors '16-17 Thread

[easternrefugee]

Brossoit is more technical than Ellis. Ellis tends to move a bit less economically than Brossoit, but his reflexes cover for it. Brossoit is right in line with last year, from my perspective. He's an A goalie in the AHL with nothing left to prove there. What he needs is NHL minutes behind a competent D so that he can take the next step. Problem is that though the Oilers are more competent this year, they may still be throwing him to the wolves a bit.

I disagree. LB has been off of his game. If he allows the first goal of the game he is done. In his previous game before this last one he allowed 4 goals on 12 shots. This weekend MacT attended both games with LB in net. he was outstanding. 2 shout outs. Now is LB back as he was last year?? I do not know. I will also say that these two games were the FIRST back to back wins this season and the FIRST two games where Bako played a full 60 minutes. The real test will be when MacT is not attending the games.

Ellis in my opinion is the better goal tender. He is solid to the shooter. he does not make the flashy saves that LB does but he is always in good position. he is not a butterfly goalie like LB. He also recovers better when he allows a goal in. Remember this is his first pro year and LB is in his third AHL season.

 

[easternrefugee]

Lander had a HUGE impact on the entire team. He is THE best 200 foot player on the team. He took a mediocre team and made them a true AHL these past two games. Like I said previously I hope this continues when MacT is not here. If it does, then it shows that this team can actually be a competitive bunch. We are now finally at 500. Still down in the basement but after this past weekend we have a hope of seeing better hockey.

 

[joestevens29]

Lol. Lander 4th in teams scoring after 3 games. Maybe the Oil have to look at putting him on the wing with some skill. Wouldn't exactly be a bad thing to have him taking draws for McDavid or RNH

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Lol. Lander 4th in teams scoring after 3 games. Maybe the Oil have to look at putting him on the wing with some skill. Wouldn't exactly be a bad thing to have him taking draws for McDavid or RNH

Nah, Lander has had plenty of chances. He's basically a superstar in the AHL and a bit underwhelming in the NHL, some players fall exactly on that line and can't push their way into being a meaningful NHL contributor. That said I think Lander played pretty well on our 4th line this year and I'm comfortable having him there, but I wouldn't put him any higher in the line-up unless he shows that he can chip in offense more regularly in addition to his defensive duties.

 

[Aceboogie]

Nah, Lander has had plenty of chances. He's basically a superstar in the AHL and a bit underwhelming in the NHL, some players fall exactly on that line and can't push their way into being a meaningful NHL contributor. That said I think Lander played pretty well on our 4th line this year and I'm comfortable having him there, but I wouldn't put him any higher in the line-up unless he shows that he can chip in offense more regularly in addition to his defensive duties.

Lander has good skills but not the skating. As AHL is a much slower league he is an above average skater there

Ok 4th liner in NHL, star in AHL

 

[McClelland]

Lander showed that he could produce in Nhl when todd took over after eakins, played pp and looked like a good 3th liner who could jump in and play in the toplines and kept up even with hall. His fo an pk holds great nhl standard, but with all our offensive players, there arent room.

Certain that some team consider to trade for him even if he cleared waivers, happens quite often. If not , he will bolt back to sweden and dominate that leuage.

 

[Hoodaha]

Lol. Lander 4th in teams scoring after 3 games. Maybe the Oil have to look at putting him on the wing with some skill. Wouldn't exactly be a bad thing to have him taking draws for McDavid or RNH

That speaks to just how terrible the Oilers pipeline for offensive prospects is. The Condors have 4 players who can score: Lander, Beck, Hamilton, Khaira. Hamilton and Lander aren't prospects and Khaira has been injured or disappeared for parts of the season.

 

[McFlyingV]

That speaks to just how terrible the Oilers pipeline for offensive prospects is. The Condors have 4 players who can score: Lander, Beck, Hamilton, Khaira. Hamilton and Lander aren't prospects and Khaira has been injured or disappeared for parts of the season.

Its true, but its also somewhat expect with the influx of young players onto the big club. Slepyshev, Caggiula, Puljujarvi, Pitlick, Pakarinen all could have ended up down there this season if they weren't ready so thats a pretty big hit for Bakersfield with 5 1st year full-time NHLers (4 if you count Pakarinen playing up here due to lack of depth last season).

 

[Hoodaha]

Its true, but its also somewhat expect with the influx of young players onto the big club. Slepyshev, Caggiula, Puljujarvi, Pitlick, Pakarinen all could have ended up down there this season if they weren't ready so thats a pretty big hit for Bakersfield with 5 1st year full-time NHLers (4 if you count Pakarinen playing up here due to lack of depth last season).

Isn't that a show of the lack of depth the Oilers have though? It's not like these guys bumped a bunch of NHL vets down to the AHL. The oilers are pulling up anyone they can find- Slepyshev and Pakarinen are not NHL players on most teams in the league.

 

[McFlyingV]

Isn't that a show of the lack of depth the Oilers have though? It's not like these guys bumped a bunch of NHL vets down to the AHL. The oilers are pulling up anyone they can find- Slepyshev and Pakarinen are not NHL players on most teams in the league.

I suppose. The prospect pool at forward is certainly a little bare right now, especially at the AHL level, but thats also in large part due to drafting high so often that most of those players are in the NHL already, albeit they really haven't found any stud steals in later rounds.

Slepy and Pakarinen really aren't regulars on the Oilers either, but a few injuries + trading Yak and Versteeg going to Calgary certainly stripped a bit of the forward group from Bakersfield.

 

[easternrefugee]

The way I look at it as a Condors fan, the NHL had to be fixed first. Now that is sort of fixed I assume the AHL is next. MacT picks will mostly be gone by this summer. Betker will still be here but as long as we keep replacing with better prospects like Beck and Ellis we should be good to go within three years. At that point we will be a true asset to Edmonton

 

[Hoodaha]

The way I look at it as a Condors fan, the NHL had to be fixed first. Now that is sort of fixed I assume the AHL is next. MacT picks will mostly be gone by this summer. Betker will still be here but as long as we keep replacing with better prospects like Beck and Ellis we should be good to go within three years. At that point we will be a true asset to Edmonton

My hope is that the Oilers scouting purge will start paying dividends in the coming years. Lots of the picks in the 2nd round and beyond were just plain bad for years. It takes time and a quality NHL team to restock the cupboard at the AHL level.

 

[joestevens29]

I suppose. The prospect pool at forward is certainly a little bare right now, especially at the AHL level, but thats also in large part due to drafting high so often that most of those players are in the NHL already, albeit they really haven't found any stud steals in later rounds.

Slepy and Pakarinen really aren't regulars on the Oilers either, but a few injuries + trading Yak and Versteeg going to Calgary certainly stripped a bit of the forward group from Bakersfield.

We don't need to be overly stocked at forward right now either. Our average age of our top 6 scorers is 24.

We also have in my books Caggiula, Slepy, Puljarvi and Pitlick that could very easily be in the minors right now and would be very decent callups.

This is why AHL teams usually gather a couple of vets that really have no chance at being called up to the NHL, but will produce. But by my eye I only see one guy over 26 that plays forward in the AHL and that's Hamilton. A guy who some complained about when we got him, but it's obvious we need more of this to stabilize our AHL team.

 

[easternrefugee]

LB's dad has recently moved to town and is telling everyone who will listen that Gus is being traded so that LB can be in Edmonton as the #2. This is nuts in my opinion, but hey I guess it is the Christmas season.

 

[CupofOil]

LB's dad has recently moved to town and is telling everyone who will listen that Gus is being traded so that LB can be in Edmonton as the #2. This is nuts in my opinion, but hey I guess it is the Christmas season.

Why is that nuts? Gus is a mess and LB has been a very good AHL goalie for 2 seasons now so I'd say that he deserves a shot. He has paid his dues down there, time to see what he can do at the NHL level full time.

 

[Aceboogie]

LB's dad has recently moved to town and is telling everyone who will listen that Gus is being traded so that LB can be in Edmonton as the #2. This is nuts in my opinion, but hey I guess it is the Christmas season.

Thats awesome. A smart move by Chiarelli and co

 

[LaGu]

Why is that nuts? Gus is a mess and LB has been a very good AHL goalie for 2 seasons now so I'd say that he deserves a shot. He has paid his dues down there, time to see what he can do at the NHL level full time.

I assumed that the expansion draft was in play here, but I so bad at those draft criteria so I am just basing it from what I have heard from others.

If Gustafsson isn't on the team LB will be exposed, right? Unless they sign someone else to fit the criteria.


Edit: tbh otherwise I assume they would have gone for Talbot/LB already

 

[Aceboogie]

I assumed that the expansion draft was in play here, but I so bad at those draft criteria so I am just basing it from what I have heard from others.

If Gustafsson isn't on the team LB will be exposed, right? Unless they sign someone else to fit the criteria.


Edit: tbh otherwise I assume they would have gone for Talbot/LB already

IIRC Brossoit is eligible regardless of anything. Played 2 pro seasons.

 

[McFlyingV]

I assumed that the expansion draft was in play here, but I so bad at those draft criteria so I am just basing it from what I have heard from others.

If Gustafsson isn't on the team LB will be exposed, right? Unless they sign someone else to fit the criteria.


Edit: tbh otherwise I assume they would have gone for Talbot/LB already

Gus is not needed for any Expansion requirements. In fact its my understanding that he doesn't meet the goaltender exposure requirement because he isn't signed through 2017-18. Brossoit meets the requirement as (again my interpretation of it) you must have one goaltender exposed who is signed through 2017-18 or who is an RFA after this season that has received their qualifying offer. If Brossoit was expansion exempt (which he isn't) then I believe Edmonton would have to sign or acquire a goalie who isn't exempt, that is either an RFA who has received a qualifying offer, or who is signed through 2017-18.

This is different from what I had thought for a long time, but I read it on the NHL site's expansion draft rules so if I'm wrong and someone can correct me that would be appreciated. The thing I find weird about this is that some teams might not have 2 goaltenders under contract in 2017-18/RFA with QO. In that case I'm not sure if they would have to sign or acquire a goalie who meets those requirements, or if they could expose a goalie who is expansion exempt in the same scenario.

 

[LaGu]

Well in that case, good riddace Gus. He has had his moments, but this season he's dropped off (although I didn't see much of him last season so the drop off could have been earlier).

 

[Del Preston]

LB's dad has recently moved to town and is telling everyone who will listen that Gus is being traded so that LB can be in Edmonton as the #2. This is nuts in my opinion, but hey I guess it is the Christmas season.

Hopefully soon. I don't know who would be interested in Gustavsson though.

 

[McFlyingV]

Bake blows a lead in the last 2 minutes. Seems to be a common theme within the organization.

Edit: I lied they are nothing like the Oilers, they actually managed to win it in OT after blowing the lead.

 

[McFlyingV]

Hopefully soon. I don't know who would be interested in Gustavsson though.

Any recovering alcoholics who crashed their truck into a tree out there?

 

[Del Preston]

LaLeggia wins it.

 

[Hoodaha]

Hopefully soon. I don't know who would be interested in Gustavsson though.

The Oilers will probably have to throw in a pick or take on a bad contract to make it happen. Or just waive Gus and pay him to play in Bako like Nikitin last year.