Proposal: Penguins sell-off trades (Canucks, Avalanche, Kings and Predators)

[Empoleon8771]

These proposals also have the Kyle Dubas tax included on them, so they may seem odd targeting future picks and mediocre returns but that seems to be Dubas' strategy.

Trade 1:

Penguins trade Marcus Pettersson at 50%
Canucks trade Desharnais, Elias Pettersson (D-man) and a 2025 2nd

Pettersson immediately slides onto the 2nd pair to play with Myers, which makes the Canucks 3rd pair Soucy-Brannstrom. Elias is a good stylistic replacement for Marcus as a prospect and the 2025 2nd replaces the one they don't have. Desharnais is mostly included for cap, but he's a guy who can play regular minutes now and likely can bring back another mid round pick next year.

Trade 2:

Penguins trade O'Connor and Nedjelkovic
Avs trade a 2027 2nd and 2025 4th

Pretty simple one, Avs get some goaltending help and cheap forward depth and the Penguins get more futures. I think a 3rd for each of O'Connor and Nedjelkovic is fair, but since the Avs don't have any 3rds in the next 2 years, I made it a 2nd in 2 years the line and a 4th this year.

Note I'm not sure of the cap implications of this with Colorado, it's only them adding about $3 million but I don't know if they have the cap space to add $3 million right now. Since it seems like Landeskog is done, I think they may have the LTIR space for it though.

Trade 3:

Penguins trade Rakell
Kings trade Kaliyev and a 2026 2nd

Kings get a righty scoring winger that should be able to help out with their mediocre total scoring (15th) and PP% (24th). The Kings also have very few righty shots in their forward group, so I think adding Rakell gives them a bit more balance with that. Penguins get an interesting reclamation project in Kaliyev and another 2nd in 2026. I'd also be interested in Turcotte as that "interesting reclamation project" but I think there's no chance the Kings would go for that.

I think the cap could be complicated for the Kings trade as well, it largely depends on when Doughty is projected to be healthy.

Trade 4:

Penguins trade Letang
Predators trade Carrier and a 2025 3rd

Think this one may be too aggressive of an ask from the Predators, but Letang adds another legitimate OFD thread from their blueline behind Josi. Penguins get a worse but younger RD to replace Letang and more futures.

I think this one is a long-shot due to Nashville's struggles to start this year, but I doubt they'd just throw in the towel after signing Stamkos and Marchessault last year. They also have 3 1sts this year, so I could see them being willing to sacrifice some futures to get better now.

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[Diablo2020]

Trade 1:

Penguins trade Marcus Pettersson at 50%
Canucks trade Desharnais, Elias Pettersson (D-man) and a 2025 2nd

Not to be picky because this is a win win deal for both, but D Petey is already playing in the AHL and has the size/snarl we will lack in the future.

Id prefer to offer Sawyer Mynio in his place.

Mynio, Desharnais, 2nd
For
Pettersson @ 50%

And then Canucks still have their 1st and Hoglander for a later trade.

 

[Coffee]

All deals are accepted except for Letang to Nashville, I think anyway

 

[Empoleon8771]

Not to be picky because this is a win win deal for both, but D Petey is already playing in the AHL and has the size/snarl we will lack in the future.

That's kinda the point of why the Penguins would want him, though. I don't think subbing him out for another random draft pick would get it done, Elias is the primary appeal in that deal IMO.

I think you can argue that the 2nd is more valuable than him, but the stylistic replacement Elias offers is a huge reason why he'd be a target for me.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I would probably do that from a Canucks’ POV. Derek Forbort is another option in place of Desharnais. If I’m Allvin I only make this trade if they feel they can re-sign Pettersson though so shedding Desharnais’ $2M next season probably makes more sense.

 

[Mitch nylander]

Trade 1 & 2 are real good deals - great job OP

Trade 3: Rakell's contract would scare me if I were in LA's shoes. I'd expect some retention from the pens side, if a second and Kaliyev are going the other way.

Trade 4: Also a little aggressive, Tanger is aging and starting to slow down.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Trade 1 & 2 are real good deals - great job OP

Trade 3: Rakell's contract would scare me if I were in LA's shoes. I'd expect some retention from the pens side, if a second and Kaliyev are going the other way.

Trade 4: Also a little aggressive, Tanger is aging and starting to slow down.

I think those points regarding trade 3 and 4 are totally valid. I'm honestly skeptical of how much value Letang has with his deal, the cap hit is nice but 3 years after this year is a ton for someone of his age. The best comparison we have is the Burns trade, where it was Burns at like $5.25 million for a 3rd and some scraps. Letang's

With Rakell, my thought is that if he was a UFA this off-season, he'd likely be getting a 3-4 year deal at about $5 million. Teravainen is a year younger but he signed a 3 year, $5.4 million AAV deal with Chicago last off-season. I think the Penguins taking back a multi year contract would make that easier to stomach, I just didn't see anyone on the Kings that particularly made sense with that.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Rakell for Kaliyev+ 2nd

Doughty should be back late December to Jan/Feb so can't add extra cap. 5 AAV is going to be a bit much.

Don't want to give up 2nd as the King's need more picks. Kaliyev is fine. He's not getting a shot on the King's. Injured right now. Collar bone I think.

Turcotte is a very good play driver. His problem is skating up the boards with his head down. Takes way too many big hits & can't stay healthy. He'd be on the King's top line if healthy.

King's have Lewis or Thomas in the top 9 regularly. They should be taking a shot on Puljujarvi. 800k, one more year. He probably is an upgrade over what the King's are patching their top 9 with.

EK: Think he would be a solid acquisition for the King's. We aren't competing for a cup. EK would be entertaining & might help Clarke develop. Contract would end around the same time as Doughty's. Gavrikov may not be re-signing. NMC though, clearing Gavrikov & say Moore out would get close to making the salary work. Wouldn't give up a whole lot at 10M though.

 

[Diablo2020]

That's kinda the point of why the Penguins would want him, though. I don't think subbing him out for another random draft pick would get it done, Elias is the primary appeal in that deal IMO.

I think you can argue that the 2nd is more valuable than him, but the stylistic replacement Elias offers is a huge reason why he'd be a target for me.

I get all of that and the OP was more than fair.

Lets be honest though, it's gonna be a package around Kirill Kudryatsev anyways.

Former Soo Greyhound, Dubas cant resist.

Actually trending better than D Petey and Mynio but as a former 7th rounder.

 

[Rowlet]

I'd do the Canucks deal, not sure if Allvin would.

That being said, he'd probably give you any prospect not named Petersson, Willander, or Lekkerimaki. The Canucks have equivalent prospects to Petersson, other fans just don't know about them.

 

[Qwijibo]

I'd do the Canucks deal, not sure if Allvin would.

That being said, he'd probably give you any prospect not named Petersson, Willander, or Lekkerimaki. The Canucks have equivalent prospects to Petersson, other fans just don't know about them.

If that's the case then Pettersson shouldn't be off limits. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Empoleon8771]

EK: Think he would be a solid acquisition for the King's. We aren't competing for a cup. EK would be entertaining & might help Clarke develop. Contract would end around the same time as Doughty's. Gavrikov may not be re-signing. NMC though, clearing Gavrikov & say Moore out would get close to making the salary work. Wouldn't give up a whole lot at 10M though.

I think Karlsson gets traded but I think it's likely next off-season, specifically after free agency is over. After his July 1st signing bonus, he's only owed $11.5 million between 2025-2026 and 2026-2027 and the Sharks are eating $1.5 million of that. The Penguins will likely retain 40%-50% of his deal, getting his AAV down to $6 million but only costing them $4-$5 million over 2 years in real money. I think it's very likely he's moved at about $6 million AAV sometime in July/August of next year. It's just a question of how much value Karlsson would have at even that cap hit.

But back to the proposal in the OP, I think it would definitely be challenging to make it work for LA if Doughty is coming back in a month or two. I think Rakell does make sense for them but it would have to be a player for player swap, and I'm not sure who makes sense with that with LA. If the Kings want Puljujarvi to help out that lefty/righty balance, I figure he could be had for like a 3rd or 4th.

 

[Rowlet]

If that's the case then Pettersson shouldn't be off limits. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Hey, I said I'd do it.

 

[FSL KINGS]

I think Karlsson gets traded but I think it's likely next off-season, specifically after free agency is over. After his July 1st signing bonus, he's only owed $11.5 million between 2025-2026 and 2026-2027 and the Sharks are eating $1.5 million of that. The Penguins will likely retain 40%-50% of his deal, getting his AAV down to $6 million but only costing them $4-$5 million over 2 years in real money. I think it's very likely he's moved at about $6 million AAV sometime in July/August of next year. It's just a question of how much value Karlsson would have at even that cap hit.

But back to the proposal in the OP, I think it would definitely be challenging to make it work for LA if Doughty is coming back in a month or two. I think Rakell does make sense for them but it would have to be a player for player swap, and I'm not sure who makes sense with that with LA. If the Kings want Puljujarvi to help out that lefty/righty balance, I figure he could be had for like a 3rd or 4th.

King's don't have anyone to really send out. Kuemper has a partial NTC & with salary, play level isn't getting traded.

Moore would be the best dump up front, but the King's need an additional forward & have no cap.

Right, Left thing upfront: Blake doesn't believe in Right shot forwards. Hope he doesn't realize Laferriere & Lewis are right shots.

Gavrikov, I'm fine moving him, because he doesn't seem like he's signing for a reasonable rate. King's need a D back if he's moved. It's looking ugly on the back end. Also NMC so Gavrikov would only be a possibility when King's drop out of the playoffs race & he's moving on.

Edit: Blake & Luc think they're on the cusp of contending, so who actually knows what the plan is.

 

[Hoglander]

I wouldn't move EP2+ for a rental, so there would need to be an extension or sign n trade. It also needs to be forbort going back instead of Desharnais, otherwise Juulsen will be the 3rhd and nobody except the opposition wants that.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I noticed Marcus Pettersson's name pop up for Vancouver rumours as well, I figure most Penguins JR traded for are usually a safe bet to be tied to Vancouver in some way, lol.

But I can see why, he'd be an upgrade over Soucy on the 2nd pair and he's a solid defenseman that has been unable to escape what the rest of the team is suffering from, Sullivanitis. I saw Hoglander is in Tocchet's doghouse, so I don't know, maybe a swap or something and the contract Hoglander just got lets them sign MP to an extension.

I'd be looking for a conditional 1st if Pettersson re-signs it's a 1st, if he doesn't, a 2nd + Hoglander. I would love to see Puustinen on the Canucks, solid winger that is above average defensively and has a lot of offensive smarts. But at this point, it's just whatever, Sullivan will ruin everything anyway.

Even Pettersson + Puljujarvi for Hoglander, Conditional 1st, Canucks 2nd next year and Pens take Carson Soucy's contract.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Absolutely zero interest in the Colorado one... How is Nedjelkovic even remotely an upgrade on our current goaltending, ditto O'Connor quite frankly.


And you want a 2nd for that?

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I don't see the Avs doing a trade to add Ned, I think Doc would interest them though, no way in hell the Preds do that other deal.

Absolutely zero interest in the Colorado one... How is Nedjelkovic even remotely an upgrade on our current goaltending, ditto O'Connor quite frankly.


And you want a 2nd for that?

Drew O'Connor is a fantastic depth winger, what Sullivan has done to him this year isn't on him. Focus on last season's numbers, because he can definitely do that the sooner he gets off this team and away from Sullivan's idiocy. He's fantastic on the PK and can line up at all 3 forward positions. The only issue I see is the Avs would want a RH RW over a player like Doc. They'd have more interest in Puustinen and Puljujarvi as smaller deals to give some of their youth a little more time to develop in the AHL.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Thanks for considering the Preds, but we really don't need to get even older and worse defensively and will pass.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Absolutely zero interest in the Colorado one... How is Nedjelkovic even remotely an upgrade on our current goaltending, ditto O'Connor quite frankly.


And you want a 2nd for that?

Nedjelkovic is pretty clearly an upgrade on Georgiyev and O'Connor just adds more solid cheap depth for the Avs.

Also, why are you acting like a 2nd in 2 years is some insane value either? The Avs traded basically the same thing for a rental Lars Eller with 16 points in 60 games like a year and a half ago. The value they're trading is basically 2 3rds this year, which is hardly unreasonable for Nedjelkovic and O'Connor

 

[nammerus]

Nedjelkovic is pretty clearly an upgrade on Georgiyev and O'Connor just adds more solid cheap depth for the Avs.

Also, why are you acting like a 2nd in 2 years is some insane value either? The Avs traded basically the same thing for a rental Lars Eller with 16 points in 60 games like a year and a half ago. The value they're trading is basically 2 3rds this year, which is hardly unreasonable for Nedjelkovic and O'Connor

That Eller’s trade was a garbage trade made by a terrible Avs GM…

So I wouldn’t put it beyond him to do something this terrible again.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Nedjelkovic is pretty clearly an upgrade on Georgiyev and O'Connor just adds more solid cheap depth for the Avs.

Also, why are you acting like a 2nd in 2 years is some insane value either? The Avs traded basically the same thing for a rental Lars Eller with 16 points in 60 games like a year and a half ago. The value they're trading is basically 2 3rds this year, which is hardly unreasonable for Nedjelkovic and O'Connor

Lmao...


He's 28 years old and has 150 starts. Only 1 year in his entire career has he been an actual starting goalie, and he put up well below average numbers.


He's awful. Georgiev is also awful and I f***ing hate him, but I will glady take my changes on him finding his game over paying a 2nd round pick for another pile of garbage. At least Georgiev actually has multiple years of legitimate starters workloads and even has one strong statistical season as a starting goalie.


As for O'Connor. We dont need him. We have plenty of cheap depth with a number of guys showing they can contribute positively during the start of this year. Especially when it comes to wingers, that's the last thing we need.

 

[biturbo19]

I don't really mind the "value" of the Canucks deal. It'd be a solid and much needed upgrade to the defence. But i don't know that the Canucks brass value Desharnais as just a "throw-in" like that. And the problem it creates, is back to having somewhat a lack of natural RH shot defencemen. That's something Tocchet and Foote have seemed fairly compulsive about. I don't think they like Brannstrom or Soucy as a RD playing their off side.

I could definitely see Pettersson being a target in trade...and also see other Pettersson being a piece dangled to get him. But i'm not sure that exact deal really works.



The Kings deal...that would be absolute larceny. To get out of Rakell's deal without taking back any corresponding bad money? He's not a useless player, but he's not very good either. And 3 more years after this one at $5M is a really uncomfortable factor. Puts him in something closer to a "Reilly Smith value" tier i'd imagine. More like...future considerations at full ticket. Maybe a little more with retention...but teams rarely delve into retention with that kind of term. Not that Kalieyev is worth much or that package is a ton of value in general. Just...i think the Penguins have to eat some bad salary the other way, in order to move that Rakell contract.