Prospect Info: Bakersfield Condors '16-17 Thread
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Anyone else kind of hoping that if he goes on a ppg tear over the next month and a bit, that the Oilers call him back up for the stretch? Would be kind of nice to throw him on McDavid's line and spread the offence around a little bit, and maybe a confident Puljujarvi can contribute a bit more in the NHL.
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I would... but I'm one of the few that felt he was deserving of a top 9 spot on the team and would have done well going forward.
Only problem is the coaches weren't playing him and when they did it was only a few minutes a game... so it was pointless keeping him up under those circumstances.
This time in the AHL will do him good no doubt... but facing NHL speed/skill/dmen are what will give him the most experience and get him playing at his maximum.
If the coaches are just going to give him spot duty on the team... leave him in the AHL getting big minutes and only call him up when they trust him enough to give him regular shifts in the top 9 without benching him for multiple games/periods at a time which just saps any confidence young players have.
Only if he goes on a big time tear where it looks like he's too good for the AHL. Otherwise, I'd rather see him spend the rest of the season down there and bring in a vet RW for the McDavid line (Sharp or Vrbata). They are going to need more vet presence in the lineup for the stretch run, not another rookie. As of right now, it looks like Pulju has some learning to do even at the AHL level so let him develop down there for a while.
Anyway, does anybody know who Puljujarvi's linemates are?
Ok, I see it mentioned on the previous page that it's Pakarinen and Sallinen. Seems like he's putting up decent point totals despite not playing the best players so that's encouraging.
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According to Fleming the big focus for them with Jesse is on his play away from the puck and on his defensive play. This is not a move to regain his offensive confidence.
http://www.630ched.com/podcasts/
See Feb 7 Seg 4 around the 4 minute mark.
http://www.630ched.com/podcasts/
See Feb 7 Seg 4 around the 4 minute mark.
nexttothemoon
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Well from my viewings on the Oilers, he was solid defensively... it was his offense that needed work and getting into good positions on the rush and taking passes and getting his shot off (which is good).
Obviously I defer to the coaches who know best... but I think he was already above average defensively considering his age.
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For his age I agree. But the Oilers are looking to make the playoffs or better. They are doing this by winning a lot of one goal games. It seems clear that the big club takes a defense first, defense second and then think about offense approach. My guess is they believe that Jesse's offensive game will evolve on it own but want him to be a more polished player before exposing him in situations where mistakes can be costly.
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Im not a big fan of focusing solely on defense as a 18/19 year old prospect. That is the age to develop and hone your offensive skill. Its pretty tough to learn that raw talent later in your career. On the flip side, defense can more easily be taught as you get older and already mastered offense. Its rare that you see a defensive forward learn offensive skills as a 21-25 year old. But you do see offensive players learn the D side of things at that age
Im not advocating for him learning only offensive, but for a more balanced approach. Take the leash off offensively but then show him how to be solid defensively when you are focusing on offense
Im not advocating for him learning only offensive, but for a more balanced approach. Take the leash off offensively but then show him how to be solid defensively when you are focusing on offense
I agree and as nexttothemoon mentioned, his defensive game is arguably more polished than his offensive game so his offensive skills should be harnessed down there. He needs to be playing with the best offensive players (Lander, Beck) IMO.
Sometimes you need to unleash the stallion to get maximize their abilities and this is one of those instances. If Mclellan throws him on a checking line next season, I'm gonna lose it.
nexttothemoon
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Pretty much my POV as well.
I think the Oilers screwed up Yak somewhat by Eakins focusing so much on D and his offense and shot were non-existent most of the time because of it. He likely was a bust in the end regardless... but Eakins did him no favours with the benchings and having him focus so much on D aspects and getting it into his head that he was so deficient... to the detriment of any offense he may have had. He should have been a reasonably good offensive player with defensive deficiencies... but he turned out a bust at everything.
JP will do well with time in the AHL... after all it's big minutes which is what he needs to be playing at the pro level... but he'd do just as well imo at the NHL level playing those minutes as well... and would NOT be a net negative for the team from what I've seen from him so far.
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Yup. Its been noted since pre draft his offensive skills were very raw. Shot was powerful but sprayed everywhere and inaccurate at times, had good hands but at times lacked coordination. His offensive potential and tools are near elite but right now they are in severe need for refining. Proper development can turn him into a beast.
If we develop him as a defensive forward in the AHL, then follow that up with a checking role in NHL, well reap what we sowed. Which is a 3rd line checking forward. However if you take off th eleahs in AHL and let him roam, you can develop a truely great 1st line player. And even in 2 years if that skill didnt come to fruitation, you can still always develop him into a 2 way checking forward ala Pouliot
If I was the coach Id toss him out there with Lander and a reliable vet and say "Have at it Jesse, go and do what you need to do to score. But you better back check and you better be reliable in defensive zone when you need to be"
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MPS too was a victim of this, He played an year in Sweden post draft, but when he came to NA he was put in a checking role pretty quickly, especially in his 2nd year here. He needed to either be in AHL or top 6 in NHL. We wasted 2 prime development years turning him into a checker and we got what we developed. MPS never developed any offense. Maybe he didnt have much offensive potential in the first place but we did nothing to develop or grow it
I was at the game in Bako last night...JP got two points and we only scored two goals. he had an assist and a goal, but he was ATROCIOUS on defense. He allowed at least 3 turnovers and was totally non physical which is the way he has been since he has been here. Other AHL guys have knocked him to the ice or hard against the boards. Our guys have to stand up for him, because he will not do it himself. Yes he has speed and a good shot, but he passes the puck way too much and his defense is bad. He also does NOT go to the net for the gritty ugly goals. He is a perimeter player. Glad you all think he is the next McDavid, but in my opinion he needs a lot more time here learning the game. He needs to be more physical in terms of checking and he needs to learn the 200 foot game.
Many rant and rave that he should be on the #1 line and he is flat not ready for it. On the second line he faces less competition and allows him to improve with less of a spotlight on him.
Many rant and rave that he should be on the #1 line and he is flat not ready for it. On the second line he faces less competition and allows him to improve with less of a spotlight on him.
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I don't think anyone in their wildest imaginings ever stated on here that they viewed JP as "the next McDavid". That seems a bit harsh.
And no offense, it's the minor leagues. There's no spotlight on ANYBODY there.
I've also taken note that he should perhaps smile a bit less and instead add a bit of aggression and urgency to his game. This is pro hockey not pond hockey...
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Take away the guys with 1 or 2 games, and Jesse is 13th in rookie PPG. Look at the ages of the rest of the guys.
Gee, not a bad start for a 18 year old.
But no, he's not getting 3 goals a game, he's got no offense.
Gee, not a bad start for a 18 year old.
But no, he's not getting 3 goals a game, he's got no offense.
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Jesse just scored. Nice little finish off a Pakarinen pass.
Great 200 ft. play. Made a good read in his own zone. Took it the other way and they score.
Great 200 ft. play. Made a good read in his own zone. Took it the other way and they score.
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Damnit Lander.
Pulju just danced around on the PP, made a shovel out front and Lander couldn't burry with a wide open net.
Pulju just danced around on the PP, made a shovel out front and Lander couldn't burry with a wide open net.
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Boom.
Missed the entire first period because my "perfectly legal" streaming site didn't have it till the 2nd.
Overall the condors did not look to good outside of the the Pak-Lander-Pulju line. Team looked off, and clearly got outworked by the Reign. By the sounds of it the Condors were quite bad in the first and looked awful to start the 2nd the only line that was doing anything was Pak-Lander-Pulju line. They had some dominant shifts.
As for Jesse specifically, he was really involved. Quite a few dangerous chances, capitalized on a nice snipe after making a strong defensive play at his own end stripping the Ontario player moving to Lander who got it to Pak who made a nice pass to Jesse who finished it off with a really nice shot. He was really hounding the puck well, creating turnovers leading to some nice chances. Overall, I though he was the best player on the the only line that got much of anything done.
A few other notes:
- Despite a few bobbles, Oesterle was excellent tonight. Looks like an excellent player at this level, he needs a push with the Oil. Hopefully he can open Chia's eyes enough, that he realizes we don't need to re-sign Russell to a ridiculous deal.
- For the second straight viewing Laleggia impressed. He looks good a forward. Plays with a ton of spunk. Really hard after the puck all game. He was a rare bright spot at forward beyond the top line tonight.
- David Musil would make an excellent NHL'er... if he could skate. He is excellent at shutting down the cycle, incredibly strong and has underrated puck moving ability. Skating is the only thing holding him back. That's not news to anyone, just very apparent tonight.
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