Prospect Info: Bakersfield Condors '16-17 Thread

[McTrashBoat]

Jesse's goal

I wish that I had Jesse's goal

 

[Aceboogie]

I wish that I had Jesse's goal

Why can't I have a goal like that

 

[easternrefugee]

here are many of us who wish Edmonton would recall him. Sure he gets points every game and every game we lose since he has been here. Lander and Beck have been averaging 1-2 points per game before the arrival of JP. JP doe snot back check and is a perimeter shooter the vast majority of the time. He does not check and is good for several turnovers a game. In short he needs a LOT of work here but he needs to be treated like any other player and it appears that he is being force fed minutes that he cannot handle and everyone keeps passing him the puck and the majority of the time he passes it back.

In short if you are expecting him to be back up there this season and be the WOW factor I hope that you get him back because he is very far form being the WOW factor here

 

[Arpeggio]

here are many of us who wish Edmonton would recall him. Sure he gets points every game and every game we lose since he has been here. Lander and Beck have been averaging 1-2 points per game before the arrival of JP. JP doe snot back check and is a perimeter shooter the vast majority of the time. He does not check and is good for several turnovers a game. In short he needs a LOT of work here but he needs to be treated like any other player and it appears that he is being force fed minutes that he cannot handle and everyone keeps passing him the puck and the majority of the time he passes it back.

In short if you are expecting him to be back up there this season and be the WOW factor I hope that you get him back because he is very far form being the WOW factor here

Alright man, we get it. He's putting up points, that's a positive. He's still 19, the rest of his game will develop.

 

[CupofOil]

here are many of us who wish Edmonton would recall him. Sure he gets points every game and every game we lose since he has been here. Lander and Beck have been averaging 1-2 points per game before the arrival of JP. JP doe snot back check and is a perimeter shooter the vast majority of the time. He does not check and is good for several turnovers a game. In short he needs a LOT of work here but he needs to be treated like any other player and it appears that he is being force fed minutes that he cannot handle and everyone keeps passing him the puck and the majority of the time he passes it back.

In short if you are expecting him to be back up there this season and be the WOW factor I hope that you get him back because he is very far form being the WOW factor here

He had 6 shots on goal so it doesn't seem like he's passing off all the time.

I guess I'll defer to you since you watch the games but your assessment of his game doesn't jive with what some other posters are seeing. Seems like you're being overly critical maybe because you expected him to be some dominant force every night? He's 18 and it's his first season in North America so not sure what you were expecting from him.

 

[McMozesmadness]

here are many of us who wish Edmonton would recall him. Sure he gets points every game and every game we lose since he has been here. Lander and Beck have been averaging 1-2 points per game before the arrival of JP. JP doe snot back check and is a perimeter shooter the vast majority of the time. He does not check and is good for several turnovers a game. In short he needs a LOT of work here but he needs to be treated like any other player and it appears that he is being force fed minutes that he cannot handle and everyone keeps passing him the puck and the majority of the time he passes it back.

In short if you are expecting him to be back up there this season and be the WOW factor I hope that you get him back because he is very far form being the WOW factor here

Did Jesse hurt you?

He was the best player on the ice for the Condors last night. He was hounding the puck extremely well all game. As for not shooting enough, that's just the complete opposite from what I've seen. He shoots almost every chance he gets, he was doing that at the NHL level too.

I think you may have caught him on a bad game Tuesday, but I urge you not to judge a player off of one bad game.

 

[Aceboogie]

He had 6 shots on goal so it doesn't seem like he's passing off all the time.

I guess I'll defer to you since you watch the games but your assessment of his game doesn't jive with what some other posters are seeing. Seems like you're being overly critical maybe because you expected him to be some dominant force every night? He's 18 and it's his first season in North America so not sure what you were expecting from him.

I wish more people watched Condors. No offence to Easternrefugee as I really appreciate the reports, but I have a feeling the poster has some bias that really effect judgement. Possibly overvalues defensive play and grit. Seen a couple posts really grilling players for lack of defensive ability and toughness, or really praising guys that do

But again, I cant confirm or deny and that poster obvisouly watches the games. Just seems other people have been watching more AHL games and have totally different viewings of him and the team

 

[Tw0Shoes]

I personally want to thank EasternRefugee, since he actually watches the games and is providing an unbiased opinion. Please disregard the people attacking you, there are people here that really do appreciate your opinion. You can't get what you're watching from a score sheet or a highlight package. It also jives with what the coaches are working with Jesse on.

 

[Aceboogie]

I personally want to thank EasternRefugee, since he actually watches the games and is providing an unbiased opinion. Please disregard the people attacking you, there are people here that really do appreciate your opinion. You can't get what you're watching from a score sheet or a highlight package. It also jives with what the coaches are working with Jesse on.

I dont think anyone is attacking that poster. They take the time to watch the games and comment here and that should be applauded. I do think that sometimes bias can be involved in scouting a player. Hell read any PGT thread here and youll see a wide array of opinions on a players play, and everyone just watched the exact same game. Its not to say a person isnt a good "scout", just that bias does creep in a ton, even just sub consciously

That being said, I wont comment anymore till I actually take the work and time to watch myself

 

[Tw0Shoes]

I dont think anyone is attacking that poster. They take the time to watch the games and comment here and that should be applauded. I do think that sometimes bias can be involved in scouting a player. Hell read any PGT thread here and youll see a wide array of opinions on a players play, and everyone just watched the exact same game. Its not to say a person isnt a good "scout", just that bias does creep in a ton, even just sub consciously

That being said, I wont comment anymore till I actually take the work and time to watch myself

"Did Jesse hurt you?"
" your assessment of his game doesn't jive with what some other posters are seeing"
"Seems like you're being overly critical maybe because you expected him to be some dominant force every night"
"Alright man, we get it."

Outright dismissal of what the person is saying without any real substance. They're attacking the poster, not what is being said about JP. When someone who actually watches the games has pretty well the same opinion as coach Fleming did on the radio the other day, I'd tend to say hey, maybe it's the other posters that need to check their bias.

 

[Senor Catface]

"Did Jesse hurt you?"
" your assessment of his game doesn't jive with what some other posters are seeing"
"Seems like you're being overly critical maybe because you expected him to be some dominant force every night"
"Alright man, we get it."

Outright dismissal of what the person is saying without any real substance. They're attacking the poster, not what is being said about JP. When someone who actually watches the games has pretty well the same opinion as coach Fleming did on the radio the other day, I'd tend to say hey, maybe it's the other posters that need to check their bias.

It's 2017. Other people watch the games here.

As soon as he said we all thought Jesse was another McDavid, he deserved to have his opinions derided. Life's tough.

That said, I'm always glad on his opinions on the other 20 players.

 

[Digger12]

here are many of us who wish Edmonton would recall him. Sure he gets points every game and every game we lose since he has been here. Lander and Beck have been averaging 1-2 points per game before the arrival of JP. JP doe snot back check and is a perimeter shooter the vast majority of the time. He does not check and is good for several turnovers a game. In short he needs a LOT of work here but he needs to be treated like any other player and it appears that he is being force fed minutes that he cannot handle and everyone keeps passing him the puck and the majority of the time he passes it back.

In short if you are expecting him to be back up there this season and be the WOW factor I hope that you get him back because he is very far form being the WOW factor here

Bakersfield's actually got a 7-6 record since he got there.

Anyway, feel free to continue with your "unbiased" reviews on his play. I'll continue to give them the attention they deserve.

 

[McFlyingV]

I personally want to thank EasternRefugee, since he actually watches the games and is providing an unbiased opinion. Please disregard the people attacking you, there are people here that really do appreciate your opinion. You can't get what you're watching from a score sheet or a highlight package. It also jives with what the coaches are working with Jesse on.

I respect anyone's opinion, but I have watched several games that the poster you're referring to has commented on and have rarely seen even remotely close to the same things he's seen. Jesse was easily the best player last game. You know who looked awful the last 2 games? Taylor Beck.

 

[GameChanger]

When Puljujarvi was sent to AHL there was an article in Finland about AHL. Two players with a long AHL-history mentioned some interesting things, of which one was that players were jealous of each other and talking bad things about players who were sent up.

I couldn't find the article so I can't check the exact phrases, but after reading it I felt that some older players might feel threatened by an 18-year-old foreigner, who would obviously be better than many of them will ever be.

I don't mind negative comments about Pulju, as anyone is free to see the game as they like. There are things he can and need to work on, as the ceiling is very high. However, a couple of hints ("everyone seeing Jesse as a new McDavid" and "Bakersfield losing their games with Pulju") told me that the review would probably be biased.


According to most comments Pulju has started quite nicely. He has hit the post a couple of times and he lost a goal when the stats were changed afterwards, but it's not a bad start for an 18-year-old. He seems to be creating scoring chances for his linemates and he's been forcing opposing teams to take penalties (e.g. five during one weekend according to the Condors website).

After the negative posts I researched this a bit and found out that he was selected the best player of the team at least in the last two games. Kurtis Leavitt from Edmonton Journal wrote (translated from a Finnish article) that "he was clearly the best player on the ice, both teams included". He also wrote that "after all it was Jesse Puljujarvi, and only Jesse Puljujarvi, who gave the fans of Condors and Edmonton a reason to get excited".

 

[Digger12]

but after reading it I felt that some older players might feel threatened by an 18-year-old foreigner, who would obviously be better than many of them will ever be.

I think that's a good point that isn't often thought of by fans who may sometimes lose track that for some AHL veterans trying like mad to find someone to throw them an NHL lifeline, seeing an 18 yr old kid thrown into their midst who is obviously much higher up on the organization's totem pole when it comes to future plans might not be the easiest thing to stomach.

 

[GameChanger]

I think that's a good point that isn't often thought of by fans who may sometimes lose track that for some AHL veterans trying like mad to find someone to throw them an NHL lifeline, seeing an 18 yr old kid thrown into their midst who is obviously much higher up on the organization's totem pole when it comes to future plans might not be the easiest thing to stomach.

Exactly, and that would be a pretty natural feeling to have. I could imagine that this could be especially strong in USA, where the kids are taught so competitive from such an early age.

Another interesting thing in the AHL article I read was the eating culture. According to it the players have to buy their own food and the player in the article said that at first he tried to eat healthily, but after watching everybody eat something like burgers and chicken wings he gave up as well. I hope Jesse will be strong enough to resist some of that, but I know the tasty greasy options may be hard to resist if everyone around you keeps eating them.

 

[CornKicker]

I think that's a good point that isn't often thought of by fans who may sometimes lose track that for some AHL veterans trying like mad to find someone to throw them an NHL lifeline, seeing an 18 yr old kid thrown into their midst who is obviously much higher up on the organization's totem pole when it comes to future plans might not be the easiest thing to stomach.

Exactly, and that would be a pretty natural feeling to have. I could imagine that this could be especially strong in USA, where the kids are taught so competitive from such an early age.

Another interesting thing in the AHL article I read was the eating culture. According to it the players have to buy their own food and the player in the article said that at first he tried to eat healthily, but after watching everybody eat something like burgers and chicken wings he gave up as well. I hope Jesse will be strong enough to resist some of that, but I know the tasty greasy options may be hard to resist if everyone around you keeps eating them.

i get where you guys are coming from but i think the AHL vets would see it as the opposite. Here is a 18 year old kid who is clearly better than anyone else. im going to make plays with him as much as possible to show that i can play with higher skilled players and pad my point totals. hell id even be his bud help him around town, teach him everything i can cause i know next year he wont be here, maybe he will put in a good word for me.

JP is going to be a temp AHL player, no sense in dwelling on someone who is going to be gon ein a year.

in reference to the article mentioned i totally believe that there is bitterness when taylor beck gets called up and anton lander is sitting there mad as hell, or simpson gets called up and Osterle doesnt i can get animosity there. but i dont think anyone is bitter about JP because its clear he is a temporary player there and he isnt direct competition.

 

[CupofOil]

"Did Jesse hurt you?"
" your assessment of his game doesn't jive with what some other posters are seeing"
"Seems like you're being overly critical maybe because you expected him to be some dominant force every night"
"Alright man, we get it."

Outright dismissal of what the person is saying without any real substance. They're attacking the poster, not what is being said about JP. When someone who actually watches the games has pretty well the same opinion as coach Fleming did on the radio the other day, I'd tend to say hey, maybe it's the other posters that need to check their bias.

I'm appreciative of anybody who can supply firsthand game reports about our baby Oilers but I think it's fair to question a poster who accuses Oiler fans of saying that "Puljujarvi is the next McDavid" and such quotes as "We can't wait for Edmonton to recall Pulju" as if he's some big detriment to Bakersfield's success and "The team started losing when Pulju got here" implying that the team is losing because of him. Sorry but these aren't constructive criticisms, they reek of bias or just pure dislike of the player.

I am in no position to contest his opinion because I haven't seen the games but I've seen plenty of reports of Puljujarvi that conflict with what easternrefugee posted. That's not to say that Pulju doesn't have things to work on because he's still raw in a lot of respects, and I've been critical of Pulju if you look at my post history, but I can see when a poster has a clear bias against a player. He makes it seem like Pulju doesn't do anything right.

 

[nexttothemoon]

I don't remember too many (or any really) Oilers games when JP was a goat for the Oilers and lost them a game because of his play... now he's suddenly losing games for the Condors?

Hell, just cut all ties and send him back into the draft... he's toast.

 

[Tw0Shoes]

And yet the Coach of the team of all people agrees that he needs to work on the defensive side of his game. Maybe EasternRefugee is overly negative about the player, doesn't mean people here need to attack them. You're less likely to get reviews of the other 20 players when they don't feel welcome here.

 

[McMozesmadness]

And yet the Coach of the team of all people agrees that he needs to work on the defensive side of his game. Maybe EasternRefugee is overly negative about the player, doesn't mean people here need to attack them. You're less likely to get reviews of the other 20 players when they don't feel welcome here.

You sound like his mom.

 

[Digger12]

And yet the Coach of the team of all people agrees that he needs to work on the defensive side of his game. Maybe EasternRefugee is overly negative about the player, doesn't mean people here need to attack them. You're less likely to get reviews of the other 20 players when they don't feel welcome here.

I don't anybody is trying to put forth the case that he doesn't need to work on his defensive game. He's 18 freaking years old still, of COURSE he does. It would be ludicrous to suggest otherwise.

And there's a difference between attacking a person and contesting their opinion on a player when it doesn't pass the smell test. One of these is allowed on this board, the other is not.

I'll always welcome people's takes on things when they watch them live, but I'm not going to just blindly accept those takes as infallible and above reproach. I've read enough "live reports" from posters here over the past 15 years to understand the fact that 2 people watching the exact same game live, focusing on the same player, can come back and give two completely different reviews of that player based on their confirmation biases and other, more mundane factors such as viewing angle and the feedback from the people sitting around them. It's just the nature of the beast.

Anyway, enough said about it. I think the point has been sufficiently made.

 

[LTIR]

As long as Puljujarvi isnt taking defensive tips from Laine he should be fine

 

[Blitzago*]

I personally want to thank EasternRefugee, since he actually watches the games and is providing an unbiased opinion. Please disregard the people attacking you, there are people here that really do appreciate your opinion. You can't get what you're watching from a score sheet or a highlight package. It also jives with what the coaches are working with Jesse on.

Unbiased opinion, is this a joke?

He say's they lose every game since he's been there, when they actually have a winning record.

That's when his "unbiased" opinion should be thrown out the window.

 

[BleedingOil]

Bakersfield's actually got a 7-6 record since he got there.

Anyway, feel free to continue with your "unbiased" reviews on his play. I'll continue to give them the attention they deserve.

I stopped reading at where you bolded.