Prospect Info: Bakersfield Condors '16-17 Thread

[McMozesmadness]

The only games I've seen this year were him on defense. I'm going to try and see one hopefully this weekend.

The streams can be a bit rough at times, but you can get the overall idea of the game.

While I'm at it other notes from today:

- Puljujarvi looks way more calm and comfortable in the Bake. He's absolutely lethal on the Ovechkin spot on the PP. he didn't score tonight, but had 4 or 5 good chances on the PP.
- Ellis was excellent.
- Oesterle should be the Benning replacement. His skating and puck movement could actually help.
- Chase and Platzer really caught my eye. Great speed and energy along with some nice chances.
- Samuelsson was quiet and had very limited minutes, looked very strong along the boards and down low in that time.

 

[McAsuno]

The streams can be a bit rough at times, but you can get the overall idea of the game.

While I'm at it other notes from today:

- Puljujarvi looks way more calm and comfortable in the Bake. He's absolutely lethal on the Ovechkin spot on the PP. he didn't score tonight, but had 4 or 5 good chances on the PP.
- Ellis was excellent.
- Oesterle should be the Benning replacement. His skating and puck movement could actually help.
- Chase and Platzer really caught my eye. Great speed and energy along with some nice chances.
- Samuelsson was quiet and had very limited minutes, looked very strong along the boards and down low in that time.

I'll be surprised if Oesterle gets called up and plays. Knowing the Oilers, they'll put in Gryba. Thanks for the notes on the minor league players though, bud.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

The streams can be a bit rough at times, but you can get the overall idea of the game.

While I'm at it other notes from today:

- Puljujarvi looks way more calm and comfortable in the Bake. He's absolutely lethal on the Ovechkin spot on the PP. he didn't score tonight, but had 4 or 5 good chances on the PP.
- Ellis was excellent.
- Oesterle should be the Benning replacement. His skating and puck movement could actually help.
- Chase and Platzer really caught my eye. Great speed and energy along with some nice chances.
- Samuelsson was quiet and had very limited minutes, looked very strong along the boards and down low in that time.

Pulju was whiffing on shots in the Ovi spot and was double clutching a bunch, you could see his linemates try to utilize him a lot early on and then later on they seemed to not want to pass him the puck on the PP even when the lane was clear, reminded me of how guys up here treated Yak on the PP. He's got a good shot, but if you get multiple great opportunities and don't bury it people are going to stop going to you. Pulju as a whole looked good though, good puck retrieval and was making some good decisions offensively.

Pakarinen looked good considering how long he has been out for. The 3 Finns were playing as a line.

Reinhart was playing with a bit of a mean streak, which I know is one of the things the coaching staff instructed him to work on down there.

I got no idea if Management intends to extend Laleggia, but he is pretty noticeable out there as a forward, might suit him better long term.

 

[LMFAO]

The streams can be a bit rough at times, but you can get the overall idea of the game.

While I'm at it other notes from today:

- Puljujarvi looks way more calm and comfortable in the Bake. He's absolutely lethal on the Ovechkin spot on the PP. he didn't score tonight, but had 4 or 5 good chances on the PP.
- Ellis was excellent.
- Oesterle should be the Benning replacement. His skating and puck movement could actually help.
- Chase and Platzer really caught my eye. Great speed and energy along with some nice chances.
- Samuelsson was quiet and had very limited minutes, looked very strong along the boards and down low in that time.

How did Pakarinen looked ? It would be awesome for this team if he could come back 100%

 

[McJadeddog]

so my concerns with pulj's offensive level seem warranted... lots of flash and no finish was my concern, and that seems to be the case in the AHL.... everybody is saying how good he "looks", but he isn't finishing and putting up the PPG pace you need to as a rookie in the AHL

10 GP, 2G, 5A, -2, 27 SH, 7.4 shoot%

2.7 shots/game is pretty good, although not ridiculous.... it would be very good in the NHL, but he should be dominating a lot more in the AHL... 0.7 PPG is the same concern, as it shows some offensive ability, but certainly doesn't scream "future top-6 player at the NHL level"

all the evidence so far suggests that pulj will be a 2nd/3rd liner tweener... obviously things can change, and i think there is a NHL player there, regardless of the offensive ability (he's defensively sound for a player of his age, and you can't teach his size/speed combo), but i don't expect him to be a very productive NHLer

 

[LMFAO]

so my concerns with pulj's offensive level seem warranted... lots of flash and no finish was my concern, and that seems to be the case in the AHL.... everybody is saying how good he "looks", but he isn't finishing and putting up the PPG pace you need to as a rookie in the AHL

10 GP, 2G, 5A, -2, 27 SH, 7.4 shoot%

2.7 shots/game is pretty good, although not ridiculous.... it would be very good in the NHL, but he should be dominating a lot more in the AHL... 0.7 PPG is the same concern, as it shows some offensive ability, but certainly doesn't scream "future top-6 player at the NHL level"

all the evidence so far suggests that pulj will be a 2nd/3rd liner tweener... obviously things can change, and i think there is a NHL player there, regardless of the offensive ability (he's defensively sound for a player of his age, and you can't teach his size/speed combo), but i don't expect him to be a very productive NHLer

He's 18 ****IN years old for gods sake

Jesus some poster here...

 

[McAsuno]

so my concerns with pulj's offensive level seem warranted... lots of flash and no finish was my concern, and that seems to be the case in the AHL.... everybody is saying how good he "looks", but he isn't finishing and putting up the PPG pace you need to as a rookie in the AHL

10 GP, 2G, 5A, -2, 27 SH, 7.4 shoot%

2.7 shots/game is pretty good, although not ridiculous.... it would be very good in the NHL, but he should be dominating a lot more in the AHL... 0.7 PPG is the same concern, as it shows some offensive ability, but certainly doesn't scream "future top-6 player at the NHL level"

all the evidence so far suggests that pulj will be a 2nd/3rd liner tweener... obviously things can change, and i think there is a NHL player there, regardless of the offensive ability (he's defensively sound for a player of his age, and you can't teach his size/speed combo), but i don't expect him to be a very productive NHLer

I wouldn't get so worked up. Mikko Rantanen was successful in the AHL and so far in the NHL, he's been average. Besides, don't forget that you made some outlandish comments about McDavid as well.

 

[Spawn]

so my concerns with pulj's offensive level seem warranted... lots of flash and no finish was my concern, and that seems to be the case in the AHL.... everybody is saying how good he "looks", but he isn't finishing and putting up the PPG pace you need to as a rookie in the AHL

10 GP, 2G, 5A, -2, 27 SH, 7.4 shoot%

2.7 shots/game is pretty good, although not ridiculous.... it would be very good in the NHL, but he should be dominating a lot more in the AHL... 0.7 PPG is the same concern, as it shows some offensive ability, but certainly doesn't scream "future top-6 player at the NHL level"

all the evidence so far suggests that pulj will be a 2nd/3rd liner tweener... obviously things can change, and i think there is a NHL player there, regardless of the offensive ability (he's defensively sound for a player of his age, and you can't teach his size/speed combo), but i don't expect him to be a very productive NHLer

What are the chances you said something nearly identical about Draisaitl last year before he got called up?

 

[McJadeddog]

I wouldn't get so worked up. Mikko Rantanen was successful in the AHL and so far in the NHL, he's been average. Besides, don't forget that you made some outlandish comments about McDavid as well.

this is true, lol... but because i was surprised by mcdavids scoring ability, that doesn't mean i won't be right about pulj.... i've been wrong and right many times, and i have no idea whether i'll be right about pulj... hopefully i'm not and he sets the world on fire next year, after having a year to get used to north american style of hockey, and north american culture as well

 

[McAsuno]

this is true, lol... but because i was surprised by mcdavids scoring ability, that doesn't mean i won't be right about pulj.... i've been wrong and right many times, and i have no idea whether i'll be right about pulj... hopefully i'm not and he sets the world on fire next year, after having a year to get used to north american style of hockey, and north american culture as well

I'm sure JP will be fine. From what people have been saying, he's been lights out better than he was in the NHL. The wrong thing was not letting him play in the AHL in the first place. He'll slowly adapt to the NA hockey and life style. Besides a big kid who'll only get bigger with excellent vision, skating, and proficient in two way hockey makes JP a damn good one to have. He'll be on McD's wing sooner or later.

 

[McJadeddog]

What are the chances you said something nearly identical about Draisaitl last year before he got called up?

honestly i don't remember what i said about drai in his first season... i don't remember having strong feelings one way or the other

i know that last year i thought it was hall driving his results and that he couldn't repeat them this year.... so drai has proven me wrong from last year, but i really don't remember what i thought in his rookie year

 

[Old Boys Club]

I've watched the last 8 or so games and I'll try to relay what I saw. A better poster to gauge off of would definitely be easternrefugee as they would have a much better understanding of players in Bako.

Pulju has played decently well, he seems to be good at carrying the puck and passing but also tends to bobble the puck a lot. His shot is hard and accurate when he has time to cradle the puck before he shoots, but his one-timers are inaccurate so far. He is not getting spoonfed 5v5 minutes as Gerry Fleming seems to like to roll all 4 lines, much like TMac. Since he does not PK, he gets fewer minutes as some due to the fact that the Condors tend to spend around 10-15 minutes a game on the pk for one reason or another. Fleming plays him a ton on the top pp, which seems to run mostly through Beck, Oesterle and Pulju.

Most concerning thing I have seen so far: He is not playing very intense in his half. Looks like he is floating on defense and he tries to fly the zone too much. That surprised me because with Edmonton he was usually really hard on the backcheck. However, it could just be the way Fleming is utilizing him.

 

[LaGu]

honestly i don't remember what i said about drai in his first season... i don't remember having strong feelings one way or the other

i know that last year i thought it was hall driving his results and that he couldn't repeat them this year.... so drai has proven me wrong from last year, but i really don't remember what i thought in his rookie year

I think he was referring to that Draisaitl started the season in the AHL and scored 1 G and had 1 A in his 6 GP before being called up.

How many 18-19 year old rip it up their rookie season in the AHL? Honest question, normally the top scorers all seem to be veterans down there.

 

[McJadeddog]

I think he was referring to that Draisaitl started the season in the AHL and scored 1 G and had 1 A in his 6 GP before being called up.

How many 18-19 year old rip it up their rookie season in the AHL? Honest question, normally the top scorers all seem to be veterans down there.

there is a "rule of thumb" that often states that a 20 year old in the AHL should score around 1 PPG if they are destined to be a NHL top-6 player... i don't know how accurate this is to be honest, but its something that people use a lot

 

[Senor Catface]

Why are you this way with every single player? Can't you just observe for a season?

William Nylander in his first 10 games in the AHL had 2 goals and 5 points at the same age.

Come on man, stop.

This was you on Drai.

am i the only one pretty concerned that drai isn't doing a LOT better in the WHL since going back? he's actually averaging *less* PPG than he did last year with prince albert.... he's not exactly lighting the world on fire... if he keeps this up, i'll be thinking about him more as a 3rd line C than a 2nd line C

You are the most impatient poster when it comes to slow starts.

 

[Fourier]

so my concerns with pulj's offensive level seem warranted... lots of flash and no finish was my concern, and that seems to be the case in the AHL.... everybody is saying how good he "looks", but he isn't finishing and putting up the PPG pace you need to as a rookie in the AHL

10 GP, 2G, 5A, -2, 27 SH, 7.4 shoot%

2.7 shots/game is pretty good, although not ridiculous.... it would be very good in the NHL, but he should be dominating a lot more in the AHL... 0.7 PPG is the same concern, as it shows some offensive ability, but certainly doesn't scream "future top-6 player at the NHL level"

all the evidence so far suggests that pulj will be a 2nd/3rd liner tweener... obviously things can change, and i think there is a NHL player there, regardless of the offensive ability (he's defensively sound for a player of his age, and you can't teach his size/speed combo), but i don't expect him to be a very productive NHLer

Draisialt had 2 points in 6 AHL games last year. As an 18 year old Nylander had 32 points in 37 games. That is a higher rate than Puljujarvi but given the sample side is not really all that much different. He's a kid who is playing his first year on small ice in a country where they speak a language he is not at all fluent in. Why not simply wait and see rather than look for reasons to be a pessimist.

 

[McJadeddog]

Why are you this way with every single player? Can't you just observe for a season?

William Nylander in his first 10 games in the AHL had 2 goals and 5 points at the same age.

Come on man, stop.

This was you on Drai.



You are the most impatient poster when it comes to slow starts.

i think i'm just a person who tends to "expect the worst" when it comes to oilers player development, more than somebody who doesn't like slow starts... i guess 10 years of futility has its effects

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Considering how unpolished Puljujarvi can look at times, I'd have been surprised if he stepped in and lit the league on fire.

He got the tools and the IQ, now he's in an environment where he can really hone his game.

Look at Slepyshev and how his transition went last year, going from Europe to first the NHL and then to the AHL. He started poorly in Bakersfield but he found his groove eventually, now it's debatable if he's actually a full time NHL'er.

Puljujarvi as an 18YO is already well ahead of that curve.

 

[McFlyingV]

Condors are going to get a major boost during this Oilers 5 day break. They play Tuesday and Wednesday and their lineups gonna look something like this (lines not precise by any means):

Pakarinen-Lander-Puljujarvi
Laleggia-Currie-Beck
Hamilton-Samuelsson-Russell
Allen-Platzer-Sallinen

Reinhart-Fayne
Oesterle-Musil
Simpson-Fraser

Ellis
Gus

Hoping they have a few blowouts with the added firepower. They've fought their way back into the playoff race.

 

[easternrefugee]

JP has great speed. He tends to pass way too much but so does everyone else. He
Like everyone else has this THING about getting the puck and stopping to wind up for a slap shot. I wish our whole team would focus on wrist shots. In this league goal tenders are too good. A moment of hesitation and they are waiting.

As for this week I will bet that Lander-Beck and Hamilton are reunited on one line.

Next will be the FINNISH LINE. Sallinen-JP and PacMan.

The rest will be the usual. JP played the best with Laleggia. The two had amazing and great chemistry. Since their breakup JP has been kind of average. I cannot tell when he is on the ice.

In a recent game Ellis faced 44 shots. Yes we won but no one was really back checking. Overall we take a LIT of penalties for stupid stuff. In my opinion all stick penalties, tripping, slashing and cross checking are stupid. Why??? Because the first two are done because you cannot keep up with the other guy and try to use your stick to slow them down. For us cross checks are done out of frustration. Our PK is great because we spend way too much time on it. Our PP is not good because we pass for eternity. Our teams fails to understand the concept of secondary shots. 90% of our goals are based on one timers. If we we went for secondary shots we would be winning more games.

As to the lines we are 4 points out of play offs. I see Fleming using his assets to make play offs first. Chiarelli has made it quite clear that play offs are better for development than playing regular season games.

 

[Laodongxi]

JP with the deke on a long breakaway against the Gulls. Scores!

 

[Aceboogie]

 

[McTrashBoat]

there

 

[McMozesmadness]

Silky finish

 

[McAsuno]

there

Filthy!