Babcock resigning as CBJ Head Coach *Mod note, post #687*

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Because psychopaths don't think they'll get caught. Psychopaths are very smart and arrogant at the same time. He has no reason to think this will backfire, up to now it hasn't. He has gotten away with it

This is a classic trait of psychopaths. They get results, they deliver and that success gets to their head

Smart psychopaths and/or sociopaths are a minority. Taken as a single population versus the rest, their average IQ is lower.

This is a bit like talking about pre-industrial hunter-gatherer societies. Media popularized the very small minority of them who were violent, tribalistic and sometimes cannibalistic and yet they represented less than 5% of HG societies that were studied before any assimiation occured. The great wealth of findings tells the story of humans living in egalitarian societies. Yet most people think we've been war-like and have had hierarchies since the time we evolved to be homosapiens. When I mention HG societies, the first thing most people bring up are the cannibals. People always remember what captures the imagination. Same thing happens with psychopaths. We often hear about the smart ones like Ed Kemper, yet most sociopaths and psychopaths score low on IQ tests compared to the average population. Impulsivity is not conductive to higher learning, which would partly explain their results.

 

[fahad203]

Smart psychopaths and/or sociopaths are a minority. Taken as a single population versus the rest, their average IQ is lower.

This is a bit like talking about pre-industrial hunter-gatherer societies. Media popularized the very small minority of them who were violent, tribalistic and sometimes cannibalistic and yet they represented less than 5% of HG societies that were studied before any assimiation occured. The great wealth of findings tells the story of humans living in egalitarian societies. Yet most people think we've been war-like and have had hierarchies since the time we evolved to be homosapiens. When I mention HG societies, the first thing most people bring up are the cannibals. People always remember what captures the imagination. Same thing happens with psychopaths. We often hear about the smart ones like Ed Kemper, yet most sociopaths and psychopaths score low on IQ tests compared to the average population. Impulsivity is not conductive to higher learning, which would partly explain their results.

Did not know that. Appreciate the insights

 

[JS19]

The hilarity of looking back at his Saskatchewan resignation and finding:

“To be honest the guys were absolutely spectacular,” said Babcock. “I enjoyed interacting with them so much. The part I didn’t realize is we were going to get to know their families, the Moms and Dads were going to be around so much. So that was good for my heart and brought me pure joy.”

 

[Chips]

The hilarity of looking back at his Saskatchewan resignation and finding:

“To be honest the guys were absolutely spectacular,” said Babcock. “I enjoyed interacting with them so much. The part I didn’t realize is we were going to get to know their families, the Moms and Dads were going to be around so much. So that was good for my heart and brought me pure joy.”

Not sure if someone’s already posted, but some guy on a smaller hockey podcast said Babs barely did anything lol

 

[JS19]

Not sure if someone’s already posted, but some guy on a smaller hockey podcast said Babs barely did anything lol

Yeah, I think you're referring to Rosehill's report on the source he had in Saskatchewan.

Babcock's a complete tool. Dude really just went to Vermont and Saskatchewan purely to recover his PR image, and learned absolutely nothing there.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I missed a lot, so probably said already but.

On Donnie and Dhali (Vancouver radio) Donnie mentions that Babcock invited a player to his house for lunch, asked to look through his phone and then asked that player to leave without lunch.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

I am just bored and like to entertain that there is 12 additional layers of drama to the story.

In my head this end with Betman resigning while dramatically revealing he a lizardman.

Go back to the Infowars subreddit.

 

[Barnum]

I missed a lot, so probably said already but.

On Donnie and Dhali (Vancouver radio) Donnie mentions that Babcock invited a player to his house for lunch, asked to look through his phone and then asked that player to leave without lunch.

I believe it was this story that caused the NHLPA to investigate because it didn’t aligned with the bullshit stories Babcock was putting out there when they tried to downplay it as a nothing burger.

My question is, what sort of person other than a devious manipulative jerk off invites someone over for lunch and instead serves them a appetizer of “invasion of privacy” and throws them out before the entree? Totally whacked.

 

[theVladiator]

Yeah, I’m going with they paid him to go away too.

This contracts are guaranteed and people simply imagine out clauses with borderline magical powers.

Even if he eventually got punished by the league for this that doesn’t mean CBJ could void his contract.

There are a couple things that could potentially push the settlement down in this case:

• It's possible that CBJ lawyers put in some extra out clauses into Babs contract, given his history. Shouldn't have been too hard, I do not think teams were breaking down Babs door trying to sign him.
• Beyond the phone related misconduct, Babs lied to the management and to the press about it. That in itself is an additional fire-able offense, and also destroys his credibility in any related legal proceedings.

Not knowing anything else I would venture a guess that any settlement from CBJs side would be mainly motivated by desire to avoid dragging their players thru the court, and the public spectacle. Otherwise, their chances of actually prevailing seem pretty darn high.

Of course, that assessment doesn't take into account any possible blackmail materials that Babs may have snatched from Jarmo's phone

 

[Jared Dunn]

That's a false misconception that keeps being spread. Having read many prison psychiatrists (such as James Gilligan), both sociopaths and psychopaths live intense childhood traumas. The difference lies in higher predispositions to agression, violence and psychosis of the psychopaths. A psychopath IS a sociopath with the added violent psychosis.

Like I said, seemed too simple to be right (that being said everything I can find online also mentions this factor). Although upon looking I believe you have the last line backwards, psychopaths are often able to assimilate into society (see every top CEO on earth lol) sociopaths are the ones who act erratically and impulsively, psychopaths are calculated. Sociopaths can also feel some degree of remorse I believe whereas that doesn't register for psychopaths

 

[Guttersniped]

There are a couple things that could potentially push the settlement down in this case:

• It's possible that CBJ lawyers put in some extra out clauses into Babs contract, given his history. Shouldn't have been too hard, I do not think teams were breaking down Babs door trying to sign him.
• Beyond the phone related misconduct, Babs lied to the management and to the press about it. That in itself is an additional fire-able offense, and also destroys his credibility in any related legal proceedings.

Not knowing anything else I would venture a guess that any settlement from CBJs side would be mainly motivated by desire to avoid dragging their players thru the court, and the public spectacle. Otherwise, their chances of actually prevailing seem pretty darn high.

Of course, that assessment doesn't take into account any possible blackmail materials that Babs may have snatched from Jarmo's phone

Personally I doubt they had extra clauses, the Blue Jackets probably thought they were being cautious enough by only signing him for 2 years. Oops.

Going by what they said, it sounds like they chose to put more weight in a few personal recommendations of old hockey guys, and their gut instinct, and much less in all the negative stories about Babcock.

And even in regular corporate America it’s hard to fire someone making millions with cause. Rules, like taxes, are for the little people.

You see the much discussed “morality clauses” enforced more in endorsement deals, not lucrative job contracts, which almost always have a golden parachute, unless the ex-employee is going to prison.

I’m not a lawyer, and only going by a couple of decades of observation, so we’ll have to agree to disagree. I’ve never found any specific info on NHL coaches contracts either, so I’m no source for info on that. (I don’t want anyone to think that I’m pretending to be lol.)

 

[SirClintonPortis]

Like I said, seemed too simple to be right (that being said everything I can find online also mentions this factor). Although upon looking I believe you have the last line backwards, psychopaths are often able to assimilate into society (see every top CEO on earth lol) sociopaths are the ones who act erratically and impulsively, psychopaths are calculated. Sociopaths can also feel some degree of remorse I believe whereas that doesn't register for psychopaths

The impression people get of psychopaths are slanted because they only see the psychopaths who break the rules overtly.

The defining factor of psychopathy is not the misconduct, but rather the impression they are BETTER people when viewed at distance impersonally. Psychopaths do not care about the "actual truth", which is why they are convincing in front of people and the "nicest philanthropist" might very well be a absolute mental damager and manipulator in his private life.

Indeed, one can say that they psychopath might actually conform to logical thinking more than the people they manipulate.

 

[Turin]

I think I would just call Babcock a typical narcissist with too much power before I would resort to sociopath or, worse yet, psychopath.

 

[EpochLink]

Babcock went to Vermont and Saskatchewan, put his feet up on the desk while farting bad gas while 'coaching' those teams or lack there of. Patiently waiting for a fellow OBC member, in this case John Davidson to hire him for another job.

He got it, didn't learn a thing from his last NHL coaching job and went abound his narcissist ways because he's got approval from his buddies.

Of all the accolades he's accomplished in the NHL and international hockey, this is his finest hour.
Being an all around psychopath.

 

[SirClintonPortis]

I think I would just call Babcock a typical narcissist with too much power before I would resort to sociopath or, worse yet, psychopath.

Psychopaths are built to rule the neurotypicals.

 

[WhataKnight]

Reading back through the thread, those fake-macho assertions that Babcock was in the right are aging exquisitely.

I don't buy that. He didn't cherrypick the weaker players so that he could get away with it. lol do you actually believe that?


Are you comparing invasion of privacy to a drug run? Lol

Quod erat demonstrandum. Nice to see evidence proving how ethically bankrupt this line of thought is as more news comes out.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Like I said, seemed too simple to be right (that being said everything I can find online also mentions this factor). Although upon looking I believe you have the last line backwards, psychopaths are often able to assimilate into society (see every top CEO on earth lol) sociopaths are the ones who act erratically and impulsively, psychopaths are calculated. Sociopaths can also feel some degree of remorse I believe whereas that doesn't register for psychopaths

I don't have it backwards. The problem here is you're using a minority segment. Most psychopaths are convicted of violent crimes. They number in a few dozen millions worldwide. They are impulsive, have aggressive and violent behaviors. That's the norm for psychopaths.

In contrast, there are less than 3000 billionaires and I doubt the majority of them score as high as violent inmates.

I don't want to get too technical and talk about where the concensus are heading with the two main scores/types to diagnose psychopathy or antisocial behaviors in general. It's being pushed aside for more comprehensive categorizations based on both clinical diagnosis and neurobiological markers. The old model made it about nature vs nurture, which muddied diagnosis, because there's just too much overlap in determining factors and a wide range of different development paths. There's also the question of gene expression. Anyway, I'm going too far. Just to say that all those things have been pushing aside this modelization over type 1 (genetic) vs type 2 (envr).

Those CEOs, they probably just do not score as high as inmates. The lack of impulsivity tells me they belong in type 2 in the old model. Even the old model states that type 1 (genetic) are more impulsive and type 2 are more anxious, which fits a lot more with a CEO, and also fits with anxious people scoring higher on average in IQ tests.

 

[Baby Punisher]

I missed a lot, so probably said already but.

On Donnie and Dhali (Vancouver radio) Donnie mentions that Babcock invited a player to his house for lunch, asked to look through his phone and then asked that player to leave without lunch.

Did he take it to go?

 

[BelovedIsles]

All this does is tell us Babs learned nothing, and has no idea on how to communicate with other human beings................guy is a big douche. Pure bully.

It also tells us how subjective perception is.

 

[tiburon12]

Can someone explain why people hate Biz so much? His frat boy language and constant sexual innuendos can be cringey sometimes but he seems like a decent guy at heart. There's probably more to it than I'm aware which is why I'm asking.

People don't like the language and the innuendo for sure, with some mistaking those off hand comments as the face value of all the content he creates. They also don't like how someone who verses in "locker room talk" is on TV over someone they feel is more qualified. They also don't like the affiliation with Barstool and choose to let their preconceived notions about Barstool impact their judgement on Biz and Spittin' Chiclets in general.

All of this was evidenced in how people, Journos, and "journos" rejected the story because Biz was the source, choosing to carry water for a guy who had been well known do pull sinister psychological maneuvers on his players over publicly showing "support" for a Barstool property.

Some people can't overcome the reality that not everything (in this case sports content) is made for them or their preferences and choose to disparage things they don't like instead of being disinterested.

 

[Reality Czech]

Can someone explain why people hate Biz so much? His frat boy language and constant sexual innuendos can be cringey sometimes but he seems like a decent guy at heart. There's probably more to it than I'm aware which is why I'm asking.

Unfortunately, once people make up their minds about a person there is little that person can do to change their opinion. A few soundbytes don't define a person, but I guess it's unrealistic to expect people to look at the whole picture before passing judgment about a person. To some people Biz will never be more than the frat boy they imagine him to be no matter what he does or says in the future.

If people don't like Biz's style or his humor that is totally fine, but he's clearly a decent person who's busted his butt to make a career in media for himself. The reason he gets so much inside information is that he has earned the respect of his peers more than most hockey journalists out there. I just listened to the podcast from last week where the allegations were made and it's clear that the Chiclets guys didn't even consider the fact that Babs might get fired for this. They were just reporting a juicy story that they had confirmed through people who would know. We live in a shoot-the-messenger society where people base their judgments more on who said it rather than what the message actually is.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Because that’s what everyone has been doing for the last 4 years lol.

Please show me some articles etc, by any reputable source, suggesting that Babcock was fired because of the stunt he pulled on Marner or Spezza scrathing. Any insider from TSN or Sportsnet, local beatwriter or something.

Marner: 'It was surprising' Babcock shared work effort list - TSN.ca

Maple Leafs winger Mitch Marner talked to TSN Monday about the report that then-head coach Mike Babcock asked him during his rookie year to rank his teammates from hardest to least hardest working - and then shared his opinions with the players.

www.tsn.ca

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I think I would just call Babcock a typical narcissist with too much power before I would resort to sociopath or, worse yet, psychopath.

That's why I used sociopathic tendencies.

Many people have those tendencies without being bonafied clinical psychopaths.

And yes, he might very well be only a soft narcissist, although soft narcissists don't typically make power moves. I use "soft" to represent the small minority of narcissists who are not psychopaths (type 1&2) or sociopaths (only type 2). All types 1's and 2's are narcissists.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Psychopaths are built to rule the neurotypicals.

You're talking about a minority of type 2's and generalizing them as the norm. Most psychopaths, the great majority of them, are too impulsive to rule anyone. If they do, it's short lived.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

Like I said, seemed too simple to be right (that being said everything I can find online also mentions this factor). Although upon looking I believe you have the last line backwards, psychopaths are often able to assimilate into society (see every top CEO on earth lol) sociopaths are the ones who act erratically and impulsively, psychopaths are calculated. Sociopaths can also feel some degree of remorse I believe whereas that doesn't register for psychopaths

You're both using quite outdated terminology. You're both wrong to varied degrees.