Babcock resigning as CBJ Head Coach *Mod note, post #687*

[VivaLasVegas]

it's clear that the Chiclets guys didn't even consider the fact that Babs might get fired for this

Why would that make any difference?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

You're both using quite outdated terminology. You're both wrong to varied degrees.

I did mention it's being pushed aside because it makes it too much about nature vs nurture, when today we know the highly reciprocal nature of gene/environment interactions.

Sociopathy is not a clinical term. They are all psychopaths. Nevertheless, sociopathy is used widely to describe type 2 psychopaths in the two type model.

I'd like to know where I erred?

 

[Seanaconda]

I’m not even that old. I’m 38 and it’s shocking to me how little those younger than me care about privacy. It’s utterly shocking at times.

I mean when we were younger addresses and phone numbers where in the phone book lol

 

[SirClintonPortis]

You're talking about a minority of type 2's and generalizing them as the norm. Most psychopaths, the great majority of them, are too impulsive to rule anyone. If they do, it's short lived.

You can learn to be a quasi-psychopath. Just ask any lawyer, real estate agent, or car salesman. There isn't an iota of nastiness when they talk to you face-to-face but none of their communication is ever in truly good faith.

Politicians basically have to disconnect from reality and put on a persona for the public. Many also have law degrees.
Those are the psychos that never will be studied.

 

[Mike C]

I mean when we were younger addresses and phone numbers where in the phone book lol

Not the people I hung around with in Bensonhurst.

 

[Reality Czech]

Why would that make any difference?

That was for the crowd accusing them of trying to "cancel" Babs. They didn't care if he was fired or not. They did make it clear Babs has been doing this for a long time so guess it finally caught up to him.

 

[Seanaconda]

Not the people I hung around with in Bensonhurst.

I had to google that , people in New York didn't get phone books?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

You can learn to be a quasi-psychopath. Just ask any lawyer, real estate agent, or car salesman. There isn't an iota of nastiness when they talk to you face-to-face but none of their communication is ever in truly good faith.

Politicians basically have to disconnect from reality and put on a persona for the public. Many also have law degrees.
Those are the psychos that never will be studied.

Those are psychopathic tendencies, it doesn't mean they would score high enough to be clinically labeled as psychopaths. You also have a strange definition of "ruling" over people. Being manipulative is not ruling. Neurotypical defines normality of brain development, not stupidity, as those with psychopathic tendencies who are manipulative will have a lot more success manipulating those with lower IQs, not those who are neurotypical.

In all those professions you named, the great majority are not psychopaths and a minority have psychopathic tendencies. I've known many lawyers from my previous profession and your generalization is ridiculous. Even so for politicians.

 

[Mike C]

Not the people I hung around with in Bensonhurst.

Not that...some the the more, shall we say, colorful neighborhood fellas didnt want to be found until they found who they wanted to find

Silvio Dante says hi

 

[JS19]

We live in a shoot-the-messenger society where people base their judgments more on who said it rather than what the message actually is.

Which has always been wild to me. You'd think with the way we teach our kids about being accountable for your actions, that it'd carry over to adulthood. But instead, people want to dodge accountability and pass the blame onto something else. Even in this thread, I saw people shitting on Biz for saying what he heard, instead of shitting on the fact that Babcock clearly has a reputation of doing suspect psychological warfare on his players.

In fact, there's a fantastic argument that if the players didn't go to Biz, this would've just got swept under the rug one way or another given Davidson and Kekkalainen's lacklustre response to this whole debacle. I don't understand why people don't focus on this enough.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

That was for the crowd accusing them of trying to "cancel" Babs. They didn't care if he was fired or not. They did make it clear Babs has been doing this for a long time so guess it finally caught up to him.

IMO - there is a fundamental difference between "cancellation" for having an unpopular opinion versus personal actions.

 

[Voight]

Whit is probably butthurt that players told Biz about Photogate and he didn't get the scoop

 

[Albatros]

In fact, there's a fantastic argument that if the players didn't go to Biz, this would've just got swept under the rug one way or another given Davidson and Kekkalainen's lacklustre response to this whole debacle. I don't understand why people don't focus on this enough.

Well, they didn't go to the management which meant that the management didn't know. Maybe they need to work on that, but either way in this particular instance one can't really expect them to throw the head coach under the bus only based on podcast rumors. First the leading players came out saying that they didn't have a problem with the coach, only after it emerged that some younger players apparently did have a problem. Once things became clear Babcock was out and Jarmo apologized to the players.

 

[Jacob]

I think Babcock is one of those people that's been in such a high position for so long that he's lost the ability to gauge what is "normal" social behavior because nobody just points anything out to him. Whether people are afraid of retribution or, maybe ownership or management, they have a vested interest in ignoring it or just putting up with it. So maybe he was just a little peculiar to start with and now after decades he's just.. really, really offputting.

 

[Mido]

Has Babcock ever commented on his allegations? Franzen, Modano, etc?

 

[Kranix]

Has Babcock ever commented on his allegations? Franzen, Modano, etc?

With Franzen his response was basically, he was hurt by the allegation, because "nobody's done as much in mental health than me," because he did Bell let's talk.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I think Babcock is one of those people that's been in such a high position for so long that he's lost the ability to gauge what is "normal" social behavior because nobody just points anything out to him. Whether people are afraid of retribution or, maybe ownership or management, they have a vested interest in ignoring it or just putting up with it. So maybe he was just a little peculiar to start with and now after decades he's just.. really, really offputting.

Eh, he told an NHL player in Anaheim who was admiring the ice that it was the last time he'd sniff it. Sounds like he was always a bully to put it mildly.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Why would that make any difference?

Why should they even care?

 

[Jared Dunn]

I don't have it backwards. The problem here is you're using a minority segment. Most psychopaths are convicted of violent crimes. They number in a few dozen millions worldwide. They are impulsive, have aggressive and violent behaviors. That's the norm for psychopaths.

In contrast, there are less than 3000 billionaires and I doubt the majority of them score as high as violent inmates.

I don't want to get too technical and talk about where the concensus are heading with the two main scores/types to diagnose psychopathy or antisocial behaviors in general. It's being pushed aside for more comprehensive categorizations based on both clinical diagnosis and neurobiological markers. The old model made it about nature vs nurture, which muddied diagnosis, because there's just too much overlap in determining factors and a wide range of different development paths. There's also the question of gene expression. Anyway, I'm going too far. Just to say that all those things have been pushing aside this modelization over type 1 (genetic) vs type 2 (envr).

Those CEOs, they probably just do not score as high as inmates. The lack of impulsivity tells me they belong in type 2 in the old model. Even the old model states that type 1 (genetic) are more impulsive and type 2 are more anxious, which fits a lot more with a CEO, and also fits with anxious people scoring higher on average in IQ tests.

Source me, I'm not going to argue this because I really don't have any idea but some of what you're saying is contrary to any information I can find online

 

[3074326]

I’m not even that old. I’m 38 and it’s shocking to me how little those younger than me care about privacy. It’s utterly shocking at times.

It shouldn’t, no other generation has cared either.

No need to blame the kids. Our generation and our parents’ generation are directly at fault.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Source me, I'm not going to argue this because I really don't have any idea but some of what you're saying is contrary to any information I can find online

Psychopathy: Developmental Perspectives and their Implications for Treatment - PMC

Psychopathy is a neuropsychiatric disorder marked by deficient emotional responses, lack of empathy, and poor behavioral controls, commonly resulting in persistent antisocial deviance and criminal behavior. Accumulating research suggests that ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"So, while it may have been tempting in the past to make strident claims regarding what ultimately amounted to a nature vs. nurture distinction, the field has largely advanced beyond this, recognizing the improbability for one’s genes or environment to play a solitary role in any given psychological outcome; rather, both will contribute significantly (see Viding, 2004)."

Intelligence and psychopathy: a correlational study on insane female offenders - PubMed

The results indicate a general negative relationship between PCL-R and IQ, equally distributed across the four subcomponents of the psychopathic trait, and support the view that unsuccessful psychopathic women have poor planning and are unable to foresee and represent future consequences of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Intelligence (IQ) And Anxiety: Why They Go Hand-In-Hand - PsyBlog

The reason that smart people with a high IQ are sometimes more anxious may have an evolutionary explanation.

www.spring.org.uk

There are around 200k CEOs in the US and the book on CEOs and psychopathy says that about 12% of those are psychopaths, so roughly 25k.

In the US, there is upwards of 3 million psychopaths.

You really think that 25k out of 3mil represents the norm?

Go read prison psychiatrists. The norm is violence, agression, impulsivity and low IQ.

The Psychopathic CEO

When it comes to the corporate world, non-violent, corporate psychopaths are not running from the law, but instead, rushing to the executive suite.

www.forbes.com

I did make a mistake as the more impulsive ones are also the most anxious ones and belong to type 2 (socio) in the old model, but that still fits more with CEOs.

 

[Geoist]

I think this is an overreaction, but I also think Babcock continuing to ask these players to share personal photos with him after they were allegedly uncomfortable doing so suggests he still can’t read the room and may not be the type of coach you want anyway.

So how is it an overreaction, then?

 

[YukonCornelius 5thOA]

certainly was not expecting a Nathan Fielder meme in this thread. lol. Maybe this is a sign to get back into Nathan for You.

The Rehearsal is easily one of the most amazing shows I've ever seen.

 

[LevelingSolo]

How did he last so long in Detroit?

I get he had success but it's surprising the entire room didn't turn against him there

 

[Pablo El Perro]

How did he last so long in Detroit?

I get he had success but it's surprising the entire room didn't turn against him there

Different times.