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Even so, why would he hire such an old school coach like Babcock (for 8 years no less), and then such a new school gm? Of course those two wouldnt see eye to eye.
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he had post concussion syndrome, severe depression and now suffers from PTSD.
Not saying Babcock was aware of the extent of Franzen's suffering, but to live with those conditions let alone play in the pressure cooker of professional sports while in that state is the definition of bravery.
You don't have to jump on the Babcock hate train, but calling Franzen a crybaby is pretty ignorant man.
I understand, I wasn't aware. I retract what I said. All I meant was that people get abuse from their boss anywhere you look. And it sucks. But most people don't get paid millions for it.
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Shanny ain't no genius , lol .
He's made some good moves and some bad but we're a lottery ball and a excellent selection in Marner away from this team being mediocre and probably not making the playoffs the last few years .
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It's not easy to do but you can't really blame others for things they can't possibly understand.
While Babs is a jerk (you almost have to be to succeed in pro sports) I doubt he's a psychology major.
Actually he is a psych major I heard from McGill
While Babs is a jerk (you almost have to be to succeed in pro sports) I doubt he's a psychology major.
Actually he is a psych major I heard from McGill
Think about what you said.
Pittsburgh is Crosby (1) and Malkin (2) away from being terrible.
Chicago wouldn't have won Cups without Toews (3) and Kane (1).
Top end draft picks are the difference between an average team and a great team. Toronto has done an excellent job of developing players recently. Take a look at our rosters for players who have come through the Marlies and/or been drafted by the Leafs. Not sure what more you expect from our scouts, but that's definitely one of the better list you'd make for team over the past 6-7 years.
Rielly (1st round)
Nylander (1st round)
Kapanen (1st round via trade)
Hyman (5th round via trade)
Dermott (2nd round)
Johnsson (7th round)
Brown (4th round)
Moore (College FA)
Engvall (7th round)
Gauthier (1st round)
Grundstrom (2nd round)
Timashov (5th round)
This simply isn't true. This kind of behaviour is absolutely not something that's widespread in every industry.
Dreakmur
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Everything about Babcock is still shocking for me, somebody I was looking up to as one of the best coaches all time but now? Wtf is happening?
Comment from Robin Lehner:
'These people are not evil people': Robin Lehner on cancel...
Comment from Robin Lehner:
'These people are not evil people': Robin Lehner on cancel...
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It's shocking because it didn't happen before our eyes.
Yet there are politicians who do things in real time today before our own eyes and they get away with it.
People used to have standards they expected from people in powerful positions, now those people in powerful positions can do whatever they want and they'll have a fan base follow them around and support them.
That is the way of society today. People used to know the difference between right and wrong, and expected their leaders to live up to those ideals but now we're supposed to adjust to all the crazy crap these powerful people get up to and even defend them against our own morals.
If Babcock was this terrible as some players are describing him I found it very strange it wasn't more known until now, extremely strange after 17 years in the NHL. I don't doubt it but it's still strange.
One example: Would Toronto Maple Leafs have been hiring Babcock if this was known? Probably not? If it was known but Toronto Maples Leafs hiring anyway, then we have a very interesting debate.
What about Brendan Shanahan? This is truly an interesting story. He probably knew but perhaps preferring a "tough" coach with a winning record like Babcock anyway. What does this say about Brendan, another possible issue?
Is it fair Babcock gets officially humiliated in the entire world now and his reputation getting totally crushed? This is a complex subject and I agree with what Lehner said. It's more of an old cultural issue but times are changing (luckily).
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2. Maybe the most impossible question to answer is what Mike Babcock’s future will be. When he was fired, word was that at least two teams privately reached out to gauge his interest in coaching right away — only to be told that he preferred to take some time. I heard from people in Russia that there was KHL interest, either as a coach or a consultant. There were rumours he’d be offered a World Junior role (not as head coach, but in an advisory position) and/or the head job for the World Championships. Then came the avalanche, and now that’s all in doubt.
There is a wide, wide spectrum of debate on his particular situation. No one defends revealing Mitchell Marner’s “hard-working” list after promising not to, and his handling of Jason Spezza has no fans, but there are others who feel that if he is willing to evolve, he could coach again.
One of the things I’ve learned about some coaches is they’re almost two different people: the one at the rink, and the one away from it. Away from the rink, I saw first-hand how he dedicated time to people’s mental health. But that “two-person” approach no longer works, and is not a defence for anything that happens at your workplace.
2. Maybe the most impossible question to answer is what Mike Babcock’s future will be. When he was fired, word was that at least two teams privately reached out to gauge his interest in coaching right away — only to be told that he preferred to take some time. I heard from people in Russia that there was KHL interest, either as a coach or a consultant. There were rumours he’d be offered a World Junior role (not as head coach, but in an advisory position) and/or the head job for the World Championships. Then came the avalanche, and now that’s all in doubt.
There is a wide, wide spectrum of debate on his particular situation. No one defends revealing Mitchell Marner’s “hard-working” list after promising not to, and his handling of Jason Spezza has no fans, but there are others who feel that if he is willing to evolve, he could coach again.
One of the things I’ve learned about some coaches is they’re almost two different people: the one at the rink, and the one away from it. Away from the rink, I saw first-hand how he dedicated time to people’s mental health. But that “two-person” approach no longer works, and is not a defence for anything that happens at your workplace.
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I think its fsir to say Shanahan deserves some flack for thr Babcock hire in retrospect.
Prior to this stuff coming out in public , you could be a terrible person in the hockey community as long as you won games. Hence i suppose Babcocks record helped the Leafs front office overlook his warts
Because the media said we needed him and the media controls the Maple leafs
Suntouchable13
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I just read about it. He is getting shit on from every angle now. Disrespectful pieces of crap deserve to get outed as much as possible
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I'm so glad Sheldon Keefe doesn't have any skeletons in his closet.
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I hope this is sarcasm. I'm sure there are countless stories about the Brampton Boys which still haven't been fully revealed, although, how much blame Keefe deserves for that and considering the amount of time has passed, and I don't think he's been publically associated with Frost since at least the mid-2000's. Outside of Graham James, Frost has to be among the worst people who achieved relatively high-standing in the hockey community.
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kind of lucky in a way his were dealt with and he has made a clear a conscious effort to prove he isnt the player and person he seems to have been as a young man. Deliberately set out to not be that type of coach it would appear
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