Tribute Auston Matthews Discussion "the Beauty" Edition

[Confucius]

The sad thing is that quite a few of his accomplishments happen in losses.

not remotely true. our record when Mathews gets a point 19 wins, 6 losses and 6 overtime or shootout losses. so we earn at least a point 25 out of the 31 games Mathews tallied a point.

 

[Merrrlin]

From a team identity point of view it’s so clear that this is Matthews team.

I agree, he has taken over. This team goes as far as he does. I don't think anyone else can quite carry them like he can.

 

[Martin Skoula]

It's insulting to Matthews and the team's real top players to call Andersen, a good but far less than great player at his position, the MVP.

Andersen is only the MVP in the same sense that if the starter for a majority of NHL squads went down they'd be in trouble too.

For all the people that say Andersen stole games for us, he's also lost us a lot more games than Matthews has.

 

[Pyrophorus]

not remotely true. our record when Mathews gets a point 19 wins, 6 losses and 6 overtime or shootout losses. so we earn at least a point 25 out of the 31 games Mathews tallied a point.

4 goal game-loss
4x30g American-loss

 

[Joey Hoser]

not remotely true. our record when Mathews gets a point 19 wins, 6 losses and 6 overtime or shootout losses. so we earn at least a point 25 out of the 31 games Mathews tallied a point.

I don't agree with Pyro's point, but "team record when player x registers a point/goal" is kind of a bunk stat. If you do that for any player, the results are overwhelmingly positive. It's just the way the math works over a large sample.

 

[LeafsNation75]

 

[Confucius]

I don't agree with Pyro's point, but "team record when player x registers a point/goal" is kind of a bunk stat. If you do that for any player, the results are overwhelmingly positive. It's just the way the math works over a large sample.

ahh but the point is only 6 times did mathews score a point when his accomplishment didn't matter because it was a loss anyway.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

From a team identity point of view it’s so clear that this is Matthews team.

Easy to say but I wouldn’t dare personally short change Tavares,Muzzy,Rielly,Nylander and Marner as to their varying degrees of importance. The group as a whole is vital to the others success. That said, this group is still growing together and improving. Except Rielly, he’s playing injured and regressed. I wish they would take him out for a month right away for maintenance. I’m glad we know he’s been playing injured but he needs to be a healthy player coming into playoffs. We need him.

What a great team even at the present level of their development.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Sometimes. People think hockey is like a video game, where X line goes against X line and that remains until next stoppage.

QOC gets a lot more mixed up than that, and it usually ends up pretty negligible for players like this. Sometimes Leafs get to choose and they want Tavares on the hard matchup. Sometimes opponents get to choose and they want Tavares on the hard matchup. Sometimes Leaf get to choose and they want Matthews on the hard matchup. Sometimes opponents get to choose and they want Matthews on the hard matchup. Sometimes the opponent's 2nd line is trash. Sometimes it's elite. Sometimes Matthews will face a hard shutdown line over a top scoring line, which isn't necessarily easier. Sometimes he faces their best defensemen instead. Sometimes he's double teamed. A ton of times, lines change on the fly, or matchups are based on game situations. Opponents don't just forget Matthews exists. They know what he can do. He is prime #1 target for defending, and they do everything they can to stop him.

I realize there are abnormal situations and times when guys go off and on the ice at slightly different times. The last 3 games would be a very interesting study as I was at all 3 of those games. From what I could see watching both Matty and Barrie as best I could Matty got Nelson for virtually every shift in the Isles game, almost every shift against Drai in the Oilers game and mostly Wheeler last night (a couple against Lowry). Whereas JT had Barzal, McJesus and Schiefle. and this is what Keefe wanted as the home coach. It was very clear from watching the changes how players were deployed. Matty clearly dominated Nelson and Wheeler up and down ice. But he struggled with Drai in containing him in neutral zone and in defensive zone.

 

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[Confucius]

4 goal game-loss
4x30g American-loss

well if he didnt score his 30th last night, we come away with 0 points instead of one.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

He's been amazing but i dont think theres a single player on the planet more valuable to his team than McDavid. Edmonton would likely finish dead last without him, i think we'd still be a bubble playoff team without Matthews. He's been our MVP but league wide, if we compare the impact a player has had on his team, the Hart belongs to McDavid, i put Mackinnon second and then possibly Matthews at 3rd.

I'd say it is still a question between Freddy and Matty. Matty has been much better recently with 1 exception. But Freddy won us more games earlier in the year where we should have lost them. It would be interesting how many stinkers each has had over this season but I would guess Matty has a couple more.

 

[shaner82]

For me he's easily the Leafs MVP this season. It's a shame the Hart has weird standards, because he should be up for it if he keeps this play up

I don't know if it's weird standards, but it does benefit stars on crappy teams, like McDavid. If McDavid was on Toronto and Matthews (or McKinnon) was in Edmonton, I think Matthews/McKinnon would likely be the front runner for the hart. Toronto has other stars, so unless Matthews leads the league in scoring by a large margin, he won't get the hart. It can be argued that Marner, JT and others help TO win almost as much, whereas if McDavid goes down, Edmonton would be at the bottom of the league. McDavid is the best in the league right now, but being on a crappy team gives him an advantage over Matthews and McKinnon.

 

[Pyrophorus]

well if he didnt score his 30th last night, we come away with 0 points instead of one.

or any of the goals actually.

 

[Durrr]

The sad thing is that quite a few of his accomplishments happen in losses.

You might want to check this stat lol

 

[Martin Skoula]

I'd say it is still a question between Freddy and Matty. Matty has been much better recently with 1 exception. But Freddy won us more games earlier in the year where we should have lost them. It would be interesting how many stinkers each has had over this season but I would guess Matty has a couple more.

Matthews stinkers rarely lose us games outright. Even if he's cold, he's still winning faceoffs and driving play. I can't think of anything he's done that's on the level of letting in an unscreened wrister from a 3rd liner from past the hashmarks.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Matthews stinkers rarely lose us games outright. Even if he's cold, he's still winning faceoffs and driving play. I can't think of anything he's done that's on the level of letting in an unscreened wrister from a 3rd liner from past the hashmarks.

Prior to last night the last time Matthews tied the game when the Leafs were playing 6v5 against the Rangers and they also lost that game in overtime.

 

[LeafsNation75]

When Matthews scored his 2nd goal last night they mentioned on the broadcast how it was his eight time this season with a 2 goal game. So he's been unlucky to not have at least 1 or 2 hat tricks this season and hopefully that can change.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Matthews stinkers rarely lose us games outright. Even if he's cold, he's still winning faceoffs and driving play. I can't think of anything he's done that's on the level of letting in an unscreened wrister from a 3rd liner from past the hashmarks.

Of course when a goalie makes a mistake it is always a GOAL against. Goalies have more influence over any game then any position player. Which is my point exactly. Freddy has won us quite a few games this year we should have lost. and Matty has too - last night he got us a loser point. The question is who is more valuable. It is close but I think right now I would go with Freddy in spite of his weak play of late.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Of course when a goalie makes a mistake it is always a GOAL against. Goalies have more influence over any game then any position player. Which is my point exactly. Freddy has won us quite a few games this year we should have lost. and Matty has too - last night he got us a loser point. The question is who is more valuable. It is close but I think right now I would go with Freddy in spite of his weak play of late.

For me the difference is that Matthews has gotten us more wins than an average 1C would compared to how many Freddy got us vs an average starting goalie (like a Lehner type). I don't think we'd be able to outscore many of Freddy's bad games if we were running Tavares-Duchene as our top 2 Cs, but we could outscore a Lehner type running a .915 2.80 GAA.

 

[Papa Cherry]

He's got the scariest wrist shot in the league, no one does it better. Not to mention he's been clutch with last night being the 3rd time he's scored with the goalie pulled. You people are lucky to have him!

 

[LeafsNation75]

He's got the scariest wrist shot in the league, no one does it better. Not to mention he's been clutch with last night being the 3rd time he's scored with the goalie pulled. You people are lucky to have him!

It still sucks that each time Matthews has scored when it was 6v5 that the Leafs have not won any of those games. Last night was more frustrating since Matthews also scored in the shootout and if Andersen saved the next shot they would have won.

 

[Stephen]

Matthews had a couple of moments in OT when it looked like he could have forced the issue and just hammered it on net but may have been overplayed a little bit. I did notice some extra stickhandling and curling back. Could have ended the night with a hat trick.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Matthews had a couple of moments in OT when it looked like he could have forced the issue and just hammered it on net but may have been overplayed a little bit. I did notice some extra stickhandling and curling back. Could have ended the night with a hat trick.

Didn't he have a chance in the OT with a backhand and Hellebuyck just got his pad on the post to stop the puck from going in.

 

[LeafsNation75]