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I think FLA is in tough to beat a red hot caps team on Tuesday without Barkov, so I'm guessing the Leafs move into first on Tuesday.
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I think FLA is in tough to beat a red hot caps team on Tuesday without Barkov, so I'm guessing the Leafs move into first on Tuesday.
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They still have the best line in hockey, and a stud #1 Dman. With decent depth.
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It's not a new Pastrnak or McAvoy they need to worry about. These guys are 25 and 24....
It's Marchand at 33, and Bergeron at 36 that are the challenges. Their games have aged remarkably well, and as much as well all hate Marchand, it's amazing that into his thirties, he still seems to get better. At some point, these two are going to fall off, and then they'll be a bubble team for some time... probably not good enough to really compete, nor bad enough to rebuild.
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well sure yeah.
McAvoy and Pastrnak came in at a time when they had been steadily declining for a few years as they kept losing core guys to age or contracts......chara, lucic, boychuk, seidenberg, eriksson, iginla, etc. etc......and that injection of two elite players boosted the Bergy/Marchand/Krejci/Rask core right up to the top again.
But now with Bergy/Marchand/Krejci/rask aging out, they're going to need another 2-3 elite guys out of nowhere to stop the impending slide, and I don't see them coming.
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In my opinion we have, I know people will say "but Florida has a higher points percentage."
The reality is the best team in the division doesn't need to pull off a miracle comeback against the the Sabres.
The caps are one thing the Sabres are another.
I could see having to do it once against Washington because it's Washington they are pretty damn good.
But having to do it again? a game later? against Buffalo? not Tampa, the Rangers, the Canes, the Flames, the Oilers that would be one thing.
They had to pull off a miracle comeback against Buffalo.
They are not the best team in the division because the best team in the division doesn't need to do that against Buffalo especially not with Bobvrosky facing Aaron Dell.
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I would imagine that every first place team would have a game or two yearly like Florida did in Buffalo. Leafs will have them too.
Could you imagine if Boston did what everyone thought they should do and picked Connor and Barzal with those 2015 picks?
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It's nothing more than basic math. If the 1st place team loses, then it shouldn't be hard to understand that their record just got worse and if they were just barely ahead of another team, then maybe the loss is enough for them to slide down from 1st place.
This is exactly what happened last night, WSH was ahead of us but they lost and the standings are so tightly packed that they slipped several places in the standings and because of their loss, we moved up from 5th to 4th overall.
Don't go there. I'm trying to enjoy my morning coffee so please, just don't go there.
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On the subject of Boson, I just checked the standings and we are 11 points ahead of them, now that goes very well with my morning coffee. Yes they do have 4 games in hand but even if they win them all, they will still be behind us. 
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Reading back through some of this there are some pretty funny insights into Florida. Wonder if anyone can name half their team yet?
I can remember a few years ago some team was ahead of us by 1 point in the wild card race but we had 3 games in hand. At that time most were saying they would rather have the lead because we could lose all 3 games. Now that things are reversed that logic doesn't apply. Typical!
Was looking forward to see the Leafs against Florida but they only play them 3 times this year and only basically over the last month of the season? That sucks.
One of the other things about the games against Florida is that 2 of the 3 are going to be the second half of back to backs (one a 3rd game in 4 nights as well) while we hold no such advantage over them.
Oh well.
One of the other things about the games against Florida is that 2 of the 3 are going to be the second half of back to backs (one a 3rd game in 4 nights as well) while we hold no such advantage over them.
Oh well.
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One can certainly make an argument around point percentage if they like but considering all standings posted everywhere are rank ordered by points, the tut tutting from the most prominent gas lighters on the board regarding people's statements quoting that order is just annoying.
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At the end of the day all that matters is where they end up after 82 games. When there is a disparity in games played between teams, points % puts them on the same footing.
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Why?
Losses are just as meaningful as wins. Why would you ignore losses?
We just passed Carolina in the standings to move into 4th overall last night, thanks to them losing.
I would rather have the 3 games but my point was I couldn't believe the overwhelming number of fans at the time claiming they would rather have the lead even though it was only one point. Sorry to use a term I do hate but "Where are they now"
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Where are you pulling you rank ordered stats for standings Zeke? NHL.com has a little number on the left side that is supposed to mean something.
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If you say so. I think a popular phrase around here is "it's the same people who were saying ABC who are now saying XYZ" and most of the time I doubt that's true and people are just generalizing. Anyhow, I've always been consistent in saying that PTS% is what makes sense, ignoring games in hand is really stupid and I know I'm far from being the only one.
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The easier thing would be to realize that points percentage is the only thing that matters. Points are literally irrelevant.
At the end of 82gms, points percentage and points are exactly the same standings, so that's the only time points are actually useful - but even then, you don't need them, because points percentage tells you the standings anyways.
At any point prior to the end of the season, when teams have all played different amounts of games, then points percentage is always the only thing that matters - and the NHL uses points percentage at all times - I.e. when determining waivers order, or when determining final standings and draft order in seasons where all teams haven't played the same amount of games.
Points Percentage is the only number that matters for the standings. Realize that, and then be consistent regardless of whether it makes the Leafs look better or worse.
If you find a leafs-hating poster switching between points and points percentage just to make the Leafs look worse, then make fun of him.
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