While technically true, it’s not really meaningful. 6 of the last 7 Stanley Cups were won by teams having at least one player at 9.5m
Do people really think an extra 500k makes it suddenly insurmountable?
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While technically true, it’s not really meaningful. 6 of the last 7 Stanley Cups were won by teams having at least one player at 9.5m
Do people really think an extra 500k makes it suddenly insurmountable?
Matthews (despite playing through an injury) completely wrecked Danault when they played against each other in the playoffs, he had 5 times more points than Danault in that series, and the only reason it wasn't more was because of Price.
Relative to his on-ice impact, he absolutely is. Most elite players are.
He's pretty close, if not.
Crosby signed his contract 10 years ago, and I'd rather have 25 year old Marner than 35 year old Crosby, even if I had to pay him a couple million more.
I'd rather have Marner than Landeskog, and Landeskog makes 7m, for the record.
Our "current cap structure" has resulted in one of the best teams in the league.
We were one of the best defensive teams in the league last year. Another swing and a miss.
The goal of the Leafs organization is to win the cup.
Yes, hockey is a team sport. That doesn't change the fact that elite players like Matthews and Marner add massive impact and value to the team, and are justifiably compensated for that.
That's exactly what our stars are focused on.
I was responding strictly to the comment that no team has won with a double digits player.
Regarding your comment however. It’s not an issue imo if everyone is worth the money to the team, which unequivocally Matthews and Marner are. Tavares is more problematic because he’s not realistically an 11m player at this point.
What's the excuse for all the other teams who didn't win and have more balanced cap allocation?
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Not talking about them but if you want 30 excuses just look at leafs threads lol
Ah. I thought you said .5 less than the leafs big dogs.Geez dude
9.5 + .5 = 10 aka double digits
You speak like they have won 3 stanley cups but they can only win 3 games. They haven’t finished in the final 8 since 2004.
How many of the other best teams haven’t won a round for two lockouts?
Why cheer for a team that has failed to achieve its goal for over half a century then? If their goal indeed is to win?
I'm wondering why 2004 even matters? The longest serving player is Morgan Rielly. He wasn't even on the team for the 2013 Bruins collapse.
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The problem is the supporting cast and the middle of your roster that is key to winning.
Leafs have big top heavy contracts and those players produce, and bottom cheap contracts and so that would be viewed as a value contract because you didn't spend a lot to not get a lot.
However when you look at Cup winners its the middle supporting cast... How many big goals did Tampa get from $4-6 mil players like Palet, Cirelli, Nick Paul etc or Colorado from Kadri or Nichushkin etc.
Leafs can't afford a single $4-6 mil depth forward and when their contracts expire they move on like Hyman etc.
[Top of roster .....................................................] -----. [ Middle ground ............................................................................] -----> [Cheap depth ........................................................................................................................................... ---->[Bargain Basement ]
You have 3 X $11 mil + Nylander $7 mil -----> Kerfoot $3.5 mil (and he might be dealt for cap space) -----> Engvall $2.25 mil & Järnkrok @ $2.1 mil (only 3 forwards making >$2 mil < $4 mil) ----> all the rest $.5 mil or less.
You can claim you have no BAD contracts relatively speaking, but can you win playoff series without a solid depth supporting cast you're missing?
The real issue is a lack of goals in game 6 and 7 from the stars. it's nothing to do with supporting cast. In 2021 our 2nd best gola scorer in the playoffs was a 4th line vet (Spezza).
This idea 4 players 40 million is the issue is pretty lazy narrative. If Leafs were so top heavy they wouldn't even be close to the #'s in the regular season they get. They litterally had 8 NHL D last year. Girordano was on 3rd pair. Look how look Lilly and Sandin looked in supporting roles.
This idea 4 players 40 million is the issue is pretty lazy narrative. If Leafs were so top heavy they wouldn't even be close to the #'s in the regular season they get. They litterally had 8 NHL D last year. Girordano was on 3rd pair. Look how look Lilly and Sandin looked in supporting roles.
The answer is though, none are perfect, every team has bad contracts. The key two winning the cup is balancing your contracts to ice a cohesive roster with multiple competitive lines. You gotta have lines you can trust out there at any time. If you don’t have money left for that depth defense man who is going to shut down the other teams 2-3 lines you are gonna get scored on by Nick Paul. How many playoff games have the leafs lost because of galychenyuk turning over the puck or dermott or gardiner and the other team scores while you have your stars on the bench.
Do we honestly think that's the key to Colorado or Tampa? They drafted really well and got some breaks for the elite talent. "Losing" then winning the Makar draft was the #1 key by far.
The most talented teams are still winning cups.
Then you have some legit mediocre teams winning rounds with clutching or grabbing or breaks.
You're brining up Galenchyuck, but Spezza was a 4th liner who had 3 goals in that series. I can argue that's nice depth.
Not speaking like anything. Just correcting your pile of incorrect statements. Of course, after seeing that you were wrong about all that, you ignored it all and deflected back to endlessly repeating our team playoff history, which really has nothing to do with the things you were saying.
They definitely have SOME depth. Toronto gets a lot of local guys to sign very cheap which really helps. Spezza and Gio were/are great leafs. It just doesn’t go far enough. With so much money tied to the top line/power play crew you gotta sacrifice somewhere.
After the 4 they also have Bunting who had 63 points and Kerfoot who had 51. Kampf is an excellent defensive C .
They also paid through the nose for Hagel to get his cheap 1.5 million cap hit. In the end Makar cinched that cup in the draft. nothing to do with silly "Balance" arguments.
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Paul’s should of been much lower than 750k.
His cap hit for the year was 1.35 million, when traded 20-25% of the 1.35 million
And Ottawa retained 44.5%
So what’s left is probably about 130k
So do teams like Habs, Stars, Isles have great balance one year and lose it all the next?
Weirdly it seems like you need to have some overpaid bottom 6 guys to win a Cup.
Seems like that is the case.
It's a very small sample size of players at 10+ per cap hit in the cap era. Kane and Toews were the first, and that was in 2015-16. Not sure why people think that means so much.
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No way leafs are in the top 5 with top heavy forward contracts that have proven to be nothing more than a mistake hampering the team success.
