ATD 2020 Draft Thread IV

[VanIslander]

thats what sold me in the end, i was shocked to see he had more ESGs than Tonelli over the 4 year period.

Tonelli and Goring (not Bourne) had their jerseys retired by the Isles for their play without the puck as much as with it.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Tonelli and Goring (not Bourne) had their jerseys retired by the Isles for their play without the puck as much as with it.

And they're both drafted long before Bourne. Nobody is saying Bourne was better than either.

What's your point?

Bourne was incredibly important to those dynasty teams. He was a utility player, played up and down the lineup, was used as a shadow at times, was used heavily on the PK, was used at all F positions. His skill set is unique because he offers elite speed, can absolutely play on a PK unit here and seemed to step up big time over the dynasty period.

Bourne is a strong pick at this point.

 

[ImporterExporter]

@BenchBrawl (-3) has until 3:07 EST to pick (just under an hour).

@Hawkey Town 18 (-4) would then be up.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

It’s not about new rules. It’s about a better understanding of what real effectiveness is.

Guys like Phil Goyette played their roles in Montreal, but when they went to other teams they really got to show how good they were. That was probably a good factor in their dynasty status - they didn’t use low-skill grinders when high skill guys who bought into roles were far more effective.

I’ve said before, the top 6 should just be the best players available and the bottom 6 should fill roles left open by the top 6.

For my team, I picked Howe, Firsov, Keon and Toews as my first 4 forwards. That means I don’t really need to pick any PK forwards in the bottom 6, but I needed some offensive guys for the PP.

I agree with you 100% that it's preferable to draft high skill guys who buy into lower roles. Just look at the more successful Olympic teams. That said, those high skill guys do need to buy into those roles.

 

[VanIslander]

I agree with you 100% that it's preferable to draft high skill guys who buy into lower roles. Just look at the more successful Olympic teams. That said, those high skill guys do need to buy into those roles.

Agreed.

Marleau was on the Team Canada Olympic checking line with Toews (Patty led the team in assists too); related, when Larry Robinson was hired as an ass. coach with the Sharks to revamp their pk, he said all past positions are immaterial, the units will be rebuilt by scratch: Marleau remained on the pk.

A guy with offensive skills (eye-hand coordination, skating) who works hard every shift is better than an oven-muffed plodder who hits guys and flops to shot block.

 

[ImporterExporter]

I agree with you 100% that it's preferable to draft high skill guys who buy into lower roles. Just look at the more successful Olympic teams. That said, those high skill guys do need to buy into those roles.

Precisely.

Which is why leadership and chemistry, I think, have gone overlooked at times. That is something I think a lot of new members struggle with. I know I did. It's easy to get wrapped up in VsX and cool charts with a million advanced and adjusted statistics.

But it should never just be a comparison of stats/accolades to determine who the better line/pairing/team is.

 

[VanIslander]

That said,...

300+ forwards are playing in any given week over the half quarter century and those with Selke recognition must be something worthwhile! (regardless of vs.x scores or any other offense-oriented crunched stat)

 

[VanIslander]

... leadership and chemistry, I think, have gone overlooked at times... It's easy to get wrapped up in VsX and cool charts with a million advanced and adjusted statistics.

But it should never just be a comparison of stats/accolades to determine who the better line/pairing/team is.

Word.

 

[ImporterExporter]

@BenchBrawl (-3) has until 3:07 EST to pick (just under an hour).

@Hawkey Town 18 (-4) would then be up.

BB is skipped.

@Hawkey Town 18 (-4) is up until 7:07 PM.

PM sent.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Max Pacioretty


good even-strenght goalscorer, good skater, good defensively

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Chicago selects defensive forward Murrary Murdoch, LW

It appears Murdoch also played Center, which could be useful on the PK

Bio

 

[tabness]

The Halifax Mooseheads would like to select, from New York, New York, one of Gary Bettman and Patrick Roy closest friends, Mathieu Schneider.

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I always liked Schneider when he was in Detroit even though he generally wasn't a fan favorite (at least online) by any means. Was thinking about him when I picked last for the Skates, but I figured Svehla would be the better fit, and I think he's real underrated.

D Roman Hamrlik.

Now this sucks, I was really hoping to pick him with my next pick for the Radz, didn't expect him to be taken this early, don't really know who will take his place. Great pick though.

 

[Johnny Engine]

In a HOH thread, I called Carol Vadnais a proof-of-concept for what Reed Larson might have been if he arrived on a decent team while still in his prime. He's the classic heavy defensemen with a cannon shot, and he's a strong #5 in this league.

 

[kruezer]

Chicago selects defensive forward Murrary Murdoch, LW

It appears Murdoch also played Center, which could be useful on the PK

Bio

Nice pick, he was on my short list before I picked Bourne. Less offense than Bourne but more D.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Chicago selects defensive forward Murrary Murdoch, LW

It appears Murdoch also played Center, which could be useful on the PK

Bio

Yes, those defensive minded LW/Cs can be quite useful on the PK

 

[tinyzombies]

I agree with you 100% that it's preferable to draft high skill guys who buy into lower roles. Just look at the more successful Olympic teams. That said, those high skill guys do need to buy into those roles.

And McKenney was Lady Byng and a captain and played on a second line behind the Ukes, no? And he's a two-way player. What's the beef?

There's no free agency so he'll play where he's told like in the 50s, or I'll trade him to NY (which seems a place no one wanted to go because it was expensive and the standard of living was poor for the players. Harvey thought the city and its burbs were unsafe - from his bio).

 

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@The Macho Man (-3) is skipped at 9:28 PM EST


Speed. He was as fast as Cyclone Taylor and in one instance was faster. Versatile. Started out as a F and transitioned into a dominant rearguard for the Otttawa dynasty in the 1900's/10's. Oh, and he played for Pittsburgh's coach, Pete Green.

Pittsburgh is happy to welcome:

Hamby Shore, D

ATD 2018 Bio Thread
Tremendous bio by overpass


Shore played LW, switching many positions as many players did in his era, but his best play was clearly at D

- 6'0", 175 lbs
- Stanley Cup (1905, 1911)
- Stanley Cup Finalist (1908, 1915)
- Started as a scoring forward: 8th in FAHL scoring in 1906, 7th in ECAHA in 1907, 3rd in MHL in 1908
- Joined NHA as a defenseman: Placed top-6 among defensemen seven times in his 9 NHA/NHL seasons: 4th, 2nd, 4th, 1st, 6th, 3rd, 6th.


Ottawa Journal, April 9, 1927:

The late Hamby Shore was one of the fastest breakers in hockey. He could break like a shot, and underway he had terrific momentum. Shore and Cyclone Taylor had numerous speed duels, and in 1910 Shore, in a memorable game, actually sprinted away from Taylor, to the great chagrin of the latter.

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

From a famous game against Renfrew in 1910 where Ottawa won 8-5
Ottawa Citizen, Feb 14, 1910

In one of the greatest battles in the history of such a fascinating game, probably the hardest fought match ever played in Ottawa, the Ottawa hockey team on Saturday scored its greatest victory of the season, defeating the famous all-star seven of the Renfrew club at the local arena by 8 goals to 5 in over-time. … Hamby Shore having tallied the first (goal) on a beautiful piece of individual work… ... The two cover points, Fred Taylor and Hamby Shore, were totally different in their play, Shore giving the greatest exhibition that he has yet put up in the position. Hamby’s blocking was superb and while not as spectacular as Taylor he appeared more effective, this being due perhaps to the fact that he did not receive the attention devoted upon the Cyclone. Shore has developed into a sterling point man, his scoring of the first goal being a beautiful piece of work. Shore has become the idol of the Ottawan fans, his every move being cheered as enthusiastically as the other Ottawa rooters hooted those of Taylor.

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[Namba 17]

I decided to collect all Percys in my team.
Percy Galbraith, LW

 

[BenchBrawl]

Will the ATD2020 playoffs be our very own 1919 Stanley Cup Finals and be cancelled due to a pandemic?

 

[Namba 17]

@papershoes and @tony d pmed

 

[VanIslander]

Will the ATD2020 playoffs be our very own 1919 Stanley Cup Finals and be cancelled due to a pandemic?

No! We are the very model of social distancing!

Sure we might lose 1% of participants, but few of us are in the high-risk age/health category.

 

[Johnny Engine]

Will the ATD2020 playoffs be our very own 1919 Stanley Cup Finals and be cancelled due to a pandemic?

Bad news for the team with Joe Hall.

 

[BenchBrawl]

No! We are the very model of social distancing!

Glad to see you're doing great back there. This is a serious situation.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Bad news for the team with Joe Hall.

Yeah when doing my Joe Hall bio in 2016 is when I realized the extent of the 1919 pandemic.

 

[tony d]

Going with 3rd line right winger Jean Pronovost.