ATD 2020 Draft Thread IV

[Dreakmur]

I'll go with a guy who could take a few spots in my line-up. He was selected as the LW at the first ever all-star game in 1907. He was 3rd in all-star voting among defenseman in one of the first recorded all-star votes in 1914. He was also a 6-time Stanley Cup Champion, and is still the only player ever to win Cups with 4 different teams.

Anyway, that player is Jack Marshall

 

[VanIslander]

A lot of guys back then played multiple positions.

For example, HHOFer Jack Adams, has played Stanley Cup games at rover, right wing, left wing and center.

 

[rmartin65]

I’ll pick the chronically underrated Dave Balon, LW

 

[Namba 17]

I’ll pick the chronically underrated Dave Balon, LW

I don't think that he is underrated. Its just that his career was too short.

 

[nabby12]

Mark Scheifele and Dan Bain.

 

[VanIslander]

Nice.

Dan Bain has to be a starter in a 40-team ALL-time draft.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Rmartin via proxy list:

Mike Sullivan, coach

PM sent to Dreak:

Also, we are now on a 6 hour clock, FYI!

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Reminder that those of us with deductions get a 4 hour clock no matter what

 

[Namba 17]

Who can take my list?

 

[VanIslander]

I can.

 

[Namba 17]

I can.

List sent, thank you!

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Rmartin via proxy list:

Mike Sullivan, coach

PM sent to Dreak:

Also, we are now on a 6 hour clock, FYI!

I was wondering when he'd get drafted. The downside is a really short tenure

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Mark Scheifele and Dan Bain.

It seems way too early for Mark Scheifele, but I'm open to arguments otherwise.

 

[Dreakmur]

Probably won't play much at 5 on 5, but Orillia needs some bite on the PP.... Camille Henry.

 

[VanIslander]

Probably won't play much at 5 on 5, but Orillia needs some bite on the PP.... Camille Henry.

He is small and soft, 140 lbs. on a good day, unmuscular and lacking grit. He has been sent to the AHL for his lack of physicality in the O6 era. We nixed him from our Baltimore team consideration.

That said,...

He battled his way back out of the AHL and had years of success scoring goals for the lowly Rangers, "elusive" as they say, able to show up by the crease at the last second to timely bury passes. He has a real knack for finishing plays netside, on a regular shift and powerplay. That is his narrow thin superpower. "The Eel" indeed.

He is a good pp unit LWer in any ATD, worthy of sheltered 4th line minutes. This is exactly where he is good to go. Nice to see.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

He is small and soft, 140 lbs. on a good day, unmuscular and lacking grit. He has been sent to the AHL for his lack of physicality in the O6 era. We nixed him from our Baltimore team consideration.

That said,...

He battled his way back out of the AHL and had years of success scoring goals for the lowly Rangers, "elusive" as they say, able to show up by the crease at the last second to timely bury passes. He has a real knack for finishing plays netside, on a regular shift and powerplay. That is his narrow thin superpower. "The Eel" indeed.

He is a good 2nd pp unit LWer in any ATD, worthy of sheltered 4th line minutes. This is exactly where he is good to go. Nice to see.

Henry can play on the 1st PP unit in the ATD.

I'm honestly not sure how a player that small did it, but his PP goal scoring from in front of the net was fantastic.

Definitely not all that useful at even strength, but "special teams specialists" definitely have a place in a 40 team draft.

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

Im curious, how much lw did henry play?

 

[tony d]

Willie Mitchell defenseman

 

[Johnny Engine]

Henry can play on the 1st PP unit in the ATD.

I'm honestly not sure how a player that small did it, but his PP goal scoring from in front of the net was fantastic.

Definitely not all that useful at even strength, but "special teams specialists" definitely have a place in a 40 team draft.

I can't find any video to say if Henry fits the bill, but there's definitely an archetype for guys who stand off to the side a little, maybe with their skates behind the goal line a lot of situations. William Nylander found himself a role doing that this season, and I have the impression that Cam Atkinson is sort of like that too, though I don't watch him much. They probably wouldn't get much done standing right in the path of a point shot while taking crosschecks to the back, but it's another variety of the "net guy".

 

[ImporterExporter]

@papershoes is auto skipped,

@VanIslander should have Namba's proxy pick.

I'll send a PM as well.

 

[VanIslander]

The Marlboros listpick Bob Armstrong.

 

[The Macho King]

I'll make my pick soon. Been sick and not feeling great.

 

[rmartin65]

First- thanks @ImporterExporter for making my pick. Sorry to have dropped a list on you without any warning.

I don't think that he is underrated. Its just that his career was too short.

We are talking about a player with 4 top 10 ES goal scoring seasons as a 3rd liner in a 40 team league. Add in his reputation as a strong checker, and he is absolutely underrated/undervalued.

I was wondering when he'd get drafted. The downside is a really short tenure

Short tenure for sure, but... we are in his 7th season as a head coach. 2 cups, all but one season resulting in playoff appearances... I think he fits as an ATD coach.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Might want to change my name to the Pittsburgh Chemistry.

Last round the Pittsburgh added Hamby Shore, a long time defensemen of the early Ottawa dynasty, under Pete Green who just happens to coach Pittsburgh here. Well, here's the other half of the defensive duo that helped Ottawa win multiple SC's under Pete Green. Not only did he and Shore play together in Ottawa for 4 years where their team dominated, they played together in Manitoba earlier in their careers as F's.

Pittsburgh is thrilled to add:

Fred Lake, D/F

Pulled some info from the great bio done by our very own VanIslander!


Fred Lake, the 'point' defenseman who replaced a retiring Harvey Pulford in 1909, immediately helping Ottawa win two Stanley Cup championships (1909, 1911), re-united for four years with Hamby Shore at coverpoint, the two having played together back in Manitoba earlier in their careers. Lake was rough, gave big hits, worked hard, skated fast with a great shot. Both Lake and Shore had been forwards before (as had been all the Ottawa players, even goalie Lesueur, on a squad renowned for its puck handling), and each could surge on transition, though Shore played up ice more at coverpoint and appears to have rushed a lot more often. Significantly, Fred Lake had twice been a 1st team all-star in the IHL, in 1906 and 1907, the first pro league with all-time greats Lalonde, Taylor, Hall, Pitre, Stuart, and xxxxxxxx. If Lake had been a forward in those days, as suspected, then it's even more impressive that he was twice a 1st team all star there given the level of competition! (Lake was almost certainly a winger when playing for Pittsburgh in 1903 and winning the championship against Houghton). After the IHL, he went to the WPHL, where he was thrown out of the league after only three games for "rough play". The very next season (1909) he was a 1st team all-star once again, with the cup-winning Senators in the ECAHA, 3rd in scoring among defensemen in the league. The year after he won his second Stanley Cup, Lake was 5th in NHA scoring among defensemen. He played thirteen seasons and is mentioned numerous times as one of the stars of the teams he played for. He certainly was paid as well as the top couple of players (see below quotes).

Win said: ↑

The O'Briens were prepared to put up whatever money it took to realize their dream. They launched an open raid on the Ottawa team, aggressively pursuing Taylor, Walsh, Lake, and xxxxx.

Jack Darragh and Hamby Shore earned $1500.00. Fred Lake earned $1350 and Percy LeSueur $995.99.​

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Ottawa Citizen said:

Lake was known as an outstanding player in several other cities where he performed.

A rugged, dependable defence player, the late Fred Lake held down the point position in the hockey lineup of the time. He combined with Fred Taylor and Hamby Shore to give the Ottawa team a defence that was respected by their opponents in the major competition of the time​

Ottawa Journal said:​

Fred Lake gave ***** the finest body-check of the night. ***** sailed through the air like one of the Wright brothers.​

Total Hockey said:

Fred Lake teamed with Hamby Shore to form a solid defense pairing for Ottawa...​

Toronto Star said:

Fred Lake, the stock point man of the world's champions, is 29 years old and tips the beam at 178 pounds. Lake is a Winnipeg boy and was unfortunate in his first professional game, in losing the sight of his left eye. Lake is better than the average man with the sight of both optics, however, and is without a doubt the greatest point man in the professional game. He has played with Ottawa for three seasons, helping in that time to win two championships. Lake is very fast, and has a great shot, and is, above all, game.​

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[tinyzombies]

It was said that his defense was so effective that it was like 'walking on an actual lake.' True story.