ATD 2020 Draft Thread IV

[Namba 17]

Don McKenney - C

And another my 3d line C candidate

 

[VanIslander]

McKenney is a tweener: not offensive enough to center a top-6 line, but not bringing bottom-6 intangibles.

 

[DitchMarner]

D Roman Hamrlik.

 

[Dreakmur]

McKenney is a tweener: not offensive enough to center a top-6 line, but not bringing bottom-6 intangibles.

Game has changed, hasn’t it? The no-offense checkers and no-skill goons have a lot less impact that they used to, no?

 

[VanIslander]

Game has changed, hasn’t it? The no-offense checkers and no-skill goons have a lot less impact that they used to, no?

Lol.

This is an ALL-time draft. IF you want post-2005 era play, then indicate such for your home games.

Expect some GMs to select a more typical historical era for their home games.

 

[Dreakmur]

Lol.

This is an ALL-time draft. IF you want post-2005 era play, then indicate such for your home games.

Expect some GMs to select a more typical historical era for their home games.

Yes, an all time draft, but that doesn’t mean we have to ignore current knowledge.

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

LW Taylor Hall

 

[ChiTownPhilly]

And another my 3d line C candidate

Yeah- I agree. Plenty of room for a defensively-conscious Mr. Clean to play bottom-six minutes in a 40 team draft.

McKenney is a tweener: not offensive enough to center a top-6 line, but not bringing bottom-6 intangibles.

Per my 10-year look-back, he was taken, like, more than 80 slots lower than he was taken last year, which was his previous low. Looks like great value, to me. Why would such a pick be singled out for criticism?!

Oh.

He's in your Division.

Ffs... isn't it a little early for this?!?

 

[ImporterExporter]

McKenney was GREAT value there. Glad somebody took him. I didn't want to have to get him to be my 4th line C.

Going back:

2019 - 461
2018 - 406
2017 - 319
2016 - 375
2015 - 325
2014 - 318

And then the only other 40 team draft in 2011 say him go 366.

 

[papershoes]

Alright, Renfrew has played goalie chicken long enough...

The Creamery Kings use their skipped pick to select:

TIM THOMAS -- Goalie

 

[tinyzombies]

Yes, an all time draft, but that doesn’t mean we have to ignore current knowledge.

YEA. No clutch and grab in MY home rink, see?

 

[Johnny Engine]

Lol.

This is an ALL-time draft. IF you want post-2005 era play, then indicate such for your home games.

Expect some GMs to select a more typical historical era for their home games.

2005 is as far away from today as 1988 is from the first post in this forum. History evolves as the present does, and claiming some sort of “typical” version of a historical team is frankly ignorant. Heck, the idea of a top and bottom six isn’t even a thing without 4 lines of forwards, and you know that hasn’t always been the case.

 

[Dreakmur]

LW Taylor Hall

That's a good pick. Probably the best LW since Boris Mayorov.

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

That's a good pick. Probably the best LW since Boris Mayorov.

Top 100 ES vsx now with 2018 taken into account. Black hole defensively though.

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

Alright, Renfrew has played goalie chicken long enough...

The Creamery Kings use their skipped pick to select:

TIM THOMAS -- Goalie

Wait a sec...

thats not thomas

 

[VanIslander]

McKenney is a tweener: not offensive enough to center a top-6 line, but not bringing bottom-6 intangibles.

I simply reiterated what past NHL GMs of Edmonton (KL) and Toronto (PQ) have explicitly stated as criteria for top-6 vs. Bottom-6 role. They would.find it absurd to have a McKenney or a Spezza on a 3rd line.

I have never drafted McKenney onto a third line and never will. I researched him for this draft and couldn't any attributes to suggest he's anything other than a vargain basement top-6er or quality bench replacement. That's why I replied to someone who said he wanted him for the 3rd line.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Game has changed, hasn’t it? The no-offense checkers and no-skill goons have a lot less impact that they used to, no?

I'm of two minds on this.

1) On the one hand, this is the all-time draft - I don't think the rules should be set to 2020. I always think of the ATD rules as some historical average. (Except for the whole 4 lines and 3 d pairings thing I guess). So just because the post-2005 rule changes have put speed at a premium doesn't mean the ATD is necessarily that way.

2) On the other hand, I always suspected that the reason that lower lines in the 70s and 80s were full of grinders was because their simply wasn't enough all-round talent to fill out the rosters in the era of rapid expansion. In the O6, lower line players weren't offense-only guys, but they generally all had at least some minimum amount of scoring talent. And we seem to have returned to that.

 

[Dreakmur]

I'm of two minds on this.

1) On the one hand, this is the all-time draft - I don't think the rules should be set to 2020. I always think of the ATD rules as some historical average. (Except for the whole 4 lines and 3 d pairings thing I guess). So just because the post-2005 rule changes have put speed at a premium doesn't mean the ATD is necessarily that way.

2) On the other hand, I always suspected that the reason that lower lines in the 70s and 80s were full of grinders was because their simply wasn't enough all-round talent to fill out the rosters in the era of rapid expansion. In the O6, lower line players weren't offense-only guys, but they generally all had at least some minimum amount of scoring talent. And we seem to have returned to that.

It’s not about new rules. It’s about a better understanding of what real effectiveness is.

Guys like Phil Goyette played their roles in Montreal, but when they went to other teams they really got to show how good they were. That was probably a good factor in their dynasty status - they didn’t use low-skill grinders when high skill guys who bought into roles were far more effective.

I’ve said before, the top 6 should just be the best players available and the bottom 6 should fill roles left open by the top 6.

For my team, I picked Howe, Firsov, Keon and Toews as my first 4 forwards. That means I don’t really need to pick any PK forwards in the bottom 6, but I needed some offensive guys for the PP.

 

[tinyzombies]

It’s not about new rules. It’s about a better understanding of what real effectiveness is.

Guys like Phil Goyette played their roles in Montreal, but when they went to other teams they really got to show how good they were. That was probably a good factor in their dynasty status - they didn’t use low-skill grinders when high skill guys who bought into roles were far more effective.

I’ve said before, the top 6 should just be the best players available and the bottom 6 should fill roles left open by the top 6.

For my team, I picked Howe, Firsov, Keon and Toews as my first 4 forwards. That means I don’t really need to pick any PK forwards in the bottom 6, but I needed some offensive guys for the PP.

 

[ImporterExporter]

@Leaf Lander was skipped at 5:17 AM EST.

@kruezer is up.

 

[Namba 17]

McKenney is a tweener: not offensive enough to center a top-6 line, but not bringing bottom-6 intangibles.

It depends on how you make your team. There is no sense to draft him to play with two defense-first no offence wingers, but if your 3d line is more two-way oriented and your wingers, or at least one of them is descent goalscorers, he can easily be your man.

 

[kruezer]

Seattle is happy to select, LW Bob Bourne.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Seattle is happy to select, LW Bob Bourne.

One of the great utility forwards for a bottom 6 role. He can legit play any F position. Elite speed, strong PK, checker and he was extremely good for the dynasty Islanders. Check out what he did for them over their 4 straight title runs.

 

[Leaf Lander]

select
2 times Stanley Cup winner
Conn smythe winner

G Johnathan Quick

 

[kruezer]

One of the great utility forwards for a bottom 6 role. He can legit play any F position. Elite speed, strong PK, checker and he was extremely good for the dynasty Islanders. Check out what he did for them over their 4 straight title runs.

thats what sold me in the end, i was shocked to see he had more ESGs than Tonelli over the 4 year period.