BenchBrawl
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ATD 2017 Draft Thread IV
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Jim Robson Division is up. Bob Cole will be posted when you guys have come to an agreement about the 7th seed.
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seventieslord
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well, I guess they could just be halted. No big deal.
it's hard for me to post anything really compelling about this because I don't feel very strongly in any direction.
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Well, there has to be a decision before the consolation series threads become active with discussion. Once that happens it's too late to turn around and scrap those series.
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I am fine with VI's idea too...just take 2 of the 3 teams at random and have them play each other.
EDIT: Unless a good amount of people object let's just do this, we don't have time for an official vote or anything
EDIT: Unless a good amount of people object let's just do this, we don't have time for an official vote or anything
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The way I read it, VI was suggesting the two bottom teams (6th and 7th) of the Cole Division should play each other. And then the winner plays the 5th seed.
seventieslord
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that's how I read it too.
is keeping the seeding secret that important for these series?
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IMO it isn't. The purpose of the hidden seedings is to give a lower seed a better/fairer chance against a higher seed, but if a 5th seed is playing the winner of 6th vs 7th seed, then the difference is rather small anyway.
So I'm going to go ahead with this. 7th vs 6th seed for a spot in the consolation round. People who don't like it can blame it on me, the non-participant who collects the votes. Or they can blame it on themselves and everybody else for not debating the issue in time. Regardless, the Bob Cole Division match-ups will be posted now and that's the way it is.
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Schedule for the Consolation tournament
Rene Lecavalier Consolation Round: Stockholm Full Throttle vs. Toronto Maple Austons
Foster Hewitt Consolation Round: Borussia Red Bull 04 vs. Miami Screaming Eagles
Jim Robson Consolation Round: Borg Collective vs. Strathcona Shadows
Red Fisher Consolation Round: Winner of Foster Hewitt Consolation Round vs. Winner of Jim Robson Consolation Round
- First Round:
- Second Round:
Rene Lecavalier Consolation Round: Stockholm Full Throttle vs. Toronto Maple Austons
Foster Hewitt Consolation Round: Borussia Red Bull 04 vs. Miami Screaming Eagles
Jim Robson Consolation Round: Borg Collective vs. Strathcona Shadows
- Third Round:
Red Fisher Consolation Round: Winner of Foster Hewitt Consolation Round vs. Winner of Jim Robson Consolation Round
- Fourth Round:
tony d
New poll series coming from me in June
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seventieslord
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we voted on a system that puts teams in divisions randomly and makes no attempt to balance them?
I mean I may be wrong, but I don't recall this being voted on. Was it? and when?
ResilientBeast
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Sorry? The system is the same just only the top 4 teams from the division make it to the playoffs. the matching is the same
1v4
2v3
we just don't know who is who
the divisions were constructed the same as usual 1, 2, 3, 4 picks each in their own and then repeat until every team was in a division
seventieslord
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he's not talking about this part. complaining about this would be stupid.
he's talking about this. if we ever needed a case study to show how stupid this is, it's this year, and this division.
(and yes, I know how the divisions are constructed, and though that follows a system, yes it is random, because it rigidly follows something that was done randomly)
ResilientBeast
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The divisions were made randomly I don't see what the problem is, I think artificially moving gms around for "balance" sake is stupid, luck of the draw.
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ResilientBeast
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Why does no one make these concerns known at the beginning of the draft when I asked for suggestions?
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I feel this discussion is inappropriate for this thread and all those posts should be deleted or moved in the draft thread.As for whether I voted for the system, I don't recall but it's possible.I have the impression that I have always preferred ranking the conferences and ignoring divisions altogether, but if I'm wrong, well, I'm not above doing stupid stuff.
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Could it be that the issue is actually a result of the changes implemented this year? In a draft of this size (4 divisions of 6 teams) the 1st seeds used to get a bye and the 2nd seed wasn't as likely to get a high-quality opponent in the first round. This year however there are hidden seedings and no byes, which means that only the top 4 make the playoffs and it's much more likely for the top teams to get dangerously good opponents right away.
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Nah, what happened is one division got abnormally stacked with veterans and we knew before the draft this was going to be a bloodbath 
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Nah, what happened is one division got abnormally stacked with veterans and we knew before the draft this was going to be a bloodbath
I think the only potential way to avoid something like this (other than randomly moving GMs from one division to another) would be a system seeding the GMs by their past performance in the ATD.
