ATD 2017 Draft Thread IV

[jarek]

Will add/drops start immediately after the final pick is made?

 

[VanIslander]

Will add/drops start immediately after the final pick is made?

For 48-72 hours, as per tradition.

Let's not try and beat last year's epic drag-out fest.

 

[VanIslander]

616. Iceman - Stockholm Full Throttle - SKIPPED
617. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - SKIPPED

618. broad - HC Borussia Red Bull - ON THE CLOCK (PM sent.)

619. Dreakmur - Orillia Terriers
620. Sprague Cleghorn - HC Dukla Jihlava
621. Madarcand - Hartford Whalers
622. ResilientBeast - Montreal Maroons
623. Edmonton Express + Yosemite Samm - Strathcona Shadows

 

[Iceman]

Stockholm selects Johnny Peirson, RW

 

[King Forsberg]

I will take Mike Richards, C

I have no clue who to PM...

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

616. Iceman - Stockholm Full Throttle - SKIPPED
617. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - SKIPPED

618. broad - HC Borussia Red Bull - ON THE CLOCK (PM sent.)

619. Dreakmur - Orillia Terriers
620. Sprague Cleghorn - HC Dukla Jihlava
621. Madarcand - Hartford Whalers
622. ResilientBeast - Montreal Maroons
623. Edmonton Express + Yosemite Samm - Strathcona Shadows

Note to everyone, if you're going to announce to the board that a GM is skipped, please PM that GM to let them know they are skipped (it should be done in all instances just in case, but it's especially important on a double skip as the 2nd GM likely never got a PM to tell them they were on the clock to begin with).

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

The Chicago Shamrocks select Calle Johansson, D

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Looks like broad was skipped. PM sent to broad and Dreakmur

 

[jarek]

Note to everyone, if you're going to announce to the board that a GM is skipped, please PM that GM to let them know they are skipped (it should be done in all instances just in case, but it's especially important on a double skip as the 2nd GM likely never got a PM to tell them they were on the clock to begin with).

I'm going to be quite honest here. I really think we should revert to different rules when it comes time to draft spares. You're allowed to make one pick every 24 hours, and you can make it at any time. There is so little separation between most spare players in terms of quality, and it's even further lowered by the fact that these spares are not likely to play more than 10-12 games during the season, and quite possibly none in the playoffs.

I don't think we should change it for this draft, but I think it's something to consider going forward.

 

[Johnny Engine]

Keep in mind that not everyone drafts spares at the same time. I picked two of them (a RD because other GMs made it clear they consider Cleghorn a suspension risk, and Hamby Shore because I consider him an exceptional multi-position player in his range) before I picked my backup goalie.

In addition, not having a set window where you are the only GM picking, leads to a risk of getting scooped while you are writing up your post, which could get confusing, fast.

Not against having something of a free-form setup to the last few rounds, but those issues would have to be addressed. Perhaps someone who's done an AA or lower draft could comment on the way those have worked.

 

[jarek]

Keep in mind that not everyone drafts spares at the same time. I picked two of them (a RD because other GMs made it clear they consider Cleghorn a suspension risk, and Hamby Shore because I consider him an exceptional multi-position player in his range) before I picked my backup goalie.

In addition, not having a set window where you are the only GM picking, leads to a risk of getting scooped while you are writing up your post, which could get confusing, fast.

Not against having something of a free-form setup to the last few rounds, but those issues would have to be addressed. Perhaps someone who's done an AA or lower draft could comment on the way those have worked.

Those are very strong points against it. Maybe in the ATD itself it wouldn't work.

I think in the lower drafts it works because at any given time, there really is so very little separation between the players that even if you get scooped, it doesn't matter a whole hell of a lot.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

I would be strongly against letting everyone pick at the same time at the end of the draft. What's the rush to finish the draft anyway? I'd actually be in favor of extending the clock to 6 hours in order to avoid all these skips

 

[jarek]

I would be strongly against letting everyone pick at the same time at the end of the draft. What's the rush to finish the draft anyway? I'd actually be in favor of extending the clock to 6 hours in order to avoid all these skips

I don't really think the skips are the problem. The problem is that nobody knows what's going on if there is nobody keeping track of things overnight. It wasn't an issue in the bigger drafts because we generally had more people overnight keeping tabs on what's going on.

To be honest, I'm not really sure the 6 hour clock would solve much of anything.

 

[tony d]

My computer issues are fixed thankfully so I should have my roster up for review later today.

As to the clock, I'd be fine with a 6 hr. clock post round 15. Most of us get our picks in on time anyway, I see no need for a 4 hr. clock.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

I don't really think the skips are the problem. The problem is that nobody knows what's going on if there is nobody keeping track of things overnight. It wasn't an issue in the bigger drafts because we generally had more people overnight keeping tabs on what's going on.

To be honest, I'm not really sure the 6 hour clock would solve much of anything.

If the clock is longer there should be on average less to keep track of overnight

 

[Dreakmur]

Orillia Terriers select Ron Hextall

 

[Dreakmur]

Orillia Terriers select Ron Hextall

With Brodeur as my starter, I wanted to have a back-up that could also handle the puck well. This way, it doesn't matter who's in net - my defensemen don't have to change the way they come back for dumped pucks.

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

With all the talk about Tarasov and assistants, Im going to be picking one. Im going to stray on the safe side and pick someone that worked with Tarasov previously with no problem: Billy Reay.

 

[MadArcand]

Whalers select Ryan Smyth, W

 

[ResilientBeast]

Harry Hyland, RW

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

I wanted a hyper-physical #8 who exemplified Shero's style of hockey... so who better than:

Andre Dupont, D​

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

I'm way behind on bios, just finished the Sergei Makaraov bio, which has a lot more information than the one I did 2 years ago.

A big thanks to Batis for a lot of the new info.

There's some new quotes form the Toronto Star, and check out the Consistency, Possession and Strength, and Penalty Killing sections

You can check it out here

 

[VanIslander]

The Invincibles select the coach of the last Leafs dynasty, Punch Imlach. There is no ATD bio for him, and that is part of the travesty of him dropping to the MLD last year. One is sorely needed to demonstrate why he is one of the greatest coaches of all time. Of 30 coaches drafted this year, he should be no lower than 10th-15th in anyone's books.

• Conn Smythe thought him to be a better coach than Hap Day; Conn used to send a messenger down to Day during games to tell him which players need benching for underperforming and which ones needed more ice time on a given night, but that with Punch he didn't need to do that because Punch already sensed what to do and would do it before a messenger could be sent. Conn thought Punch had an "uncanny" ability to assess players and outright called him the greatest Leaf coach ever.
  
• Also, when he took over coaching during the 1958-59 season, the Leafs were in the basement and Punch refused to give up on the season, saying his team will make it to the playoffs and engineered an epic run, ridiculed by the Rangers coach whose team was in the last playoff position. Punch did several key things to get the team into the playoffs, and in fact the Stanley Cup finals.
  
• Veteran players were fiercely loyal to Punch, with two of them (Horton included), threatening to retire when there was some talk of firing Punch.
  
• Punch's relationship with Brewer was mostly over money (as Punch also wore the hat of GM) and twice Brewer's agent, lawyer Alan Eagleson convinced his client to quit hockey and go to university as a negotiating tactic.
  
• Mahovlich was booed by fans for underperforming and he simply was a bad fit for the team. Many of the best coaches have strong convictions and demands and some players don't thrive under it. (Bowman was said to be widely hated in Montreal by the players every day of the year except the day they won the cup.) If the Big M didn't want to practice very hard, he got his wish hen he played elsewhere later.
  
• Punch's hard-working practices translated into Game 6 and Game 7 victories for the more fit Leafs against exhausted opponents, as documented at the time.
  
• The Invincibles is a hard-working two-way responsible squad ideally fitted for Punch.

 

[tinyzombies]

Normie Smith - G

Vezina Trophy (1937).
NHL First All-Star Team goalie (1937).
Stanley Cup Championship (1936, 1937).
Holds NHL record for most saves in a game (92).

I would also like to place Graham Drinkwater on waivers and acquire xxxx.

Gracias.

 

[jarek]

So add/drops are available now?

I'll drop Dennis Hull for Albert Kerr.