ATD 2017 Draft Thread IV

[Cyborg LeClair]

The Borg Collective will seek to add even more leadership, but mostly grit, to their blueline. This player was a defensive stalwart during his tenure with the Philadelphia Flyers and was a crease clearing monster who helped them to back-to-back Stanley Cups. This player helped solidify the Flyers status as Broadstreet Bullies with his tough play, fearless shot blocking, and intimididating presence on the blue line and in front of his goalie. The Borg Collective proudly select Ed Van Impe

A.K.A Ed Van Borg ​

 

[895]

...... I think you know what I meant.

but I guess any player with PIM totals that high was probably somewhat of an anarchist.

I don't.

What on earth does chumbawamba mean?

 

[Johnny Engine]

I don't.

What on earth does chumbawamba mean?

They were an anarchist punk band who were active in the U.K. for over 20 years, but had one out-of-character pop hit in 1997. The song "Tubthumping" has a big shout along chorus, which 70s referenced to characterize Magnuson's spirit and positivity.

 

[ResilientBeast]

They were an anarchist punk band who were active in the U.K. for over 20 years, but had one out-of-character pop hit in 1997. The song "Tubthumping" has a big shout along chorus, which 70s referenced to characterize Magnuson's spirit and positivity.

That song is great to drunkenly scream at a party

 

[chaosrevolver]

Skip me. Won't be around for a few hours. Can't PM either but don't want to hold draft up.

 

[ck26]

That entire Tubthumping album rocks.

 

[seventieslord]

As requested, here is the table with the rest of the non-pp and recently drafted players slotted in.

New entries who did really well - Tanguay and Shutt (who were never catalysts, but still...), and a little bit down, Keon and Parise. Guys who didn't - Wendel Clark (we knew this was coming), and Brian Rolston (truly a special teams specialist). Everyone else kinda fell in the "pack".

H.Sedin | TML | 646
Bure | TBC | 616
Tanguay | VAN | 608
Turgeon | TBC | 606
D.Sedin | TML | 605
Provost | STK | 604
McKenney | ORI | 593
Getzlaf | ABB | 592
Kovalchuk | SSB | 587
Shutt | TBC | 586
Perreault | AMA | 584
Stamkos | IND | 583
Staal | ORI | 580
Anderson||580
Roenick | PIT | 574
Lemaire | BRO | 571
Amonte | MTL | 569
Mullen | STR | 568
R.Backstrom | STK | 566
Goyette | RED | 557
Hodge | MHC | 552
Damphousse | CHI | 548
Toews | MHC | 548
Ciccarelli | TBC | 548
Benn | MTL | 547
Nash | DUK | 544
Keon | SSB | 543
Parise | TMA | 542
N.Backstrom | MHC | 538
Roberts | IND | 537
Middleton | BRO | 536
Kopitar | CHI | 532
S.Smith | STK | 525
Bondra | TML | 521
Litzenberger | MSE | 519
Tkaczuk | TOL | 515
Brind'Amour | STR | 511
Guerin | MSE | 508
Nevin | TMA | 507
Nieuwendyk | IND | 506
Pulford | WLT | 506
Tonelli | HFB | 505
Marleau | SSB | 505
Armstrong | MTM | 503
Martin | MSE | 503
Bergeron | TBC | 500
Muller | STK | 498
Sloan | TML | 496
Larmer | AMA | 494
Tocchet | REG | 494
Hunter | REG | 494
Gare | ABB | 492
Marchand | MSE | 489
Doan | WLT | 482
Naslund | HFD | 481
Giroux | DUK | 479
Simmer | MHC | 476
Andreychuk | MTL | 473
Holik | VAN | 473
Verbeek | AMA | 469
Duff | ABB | 468
Paiment | ABB | 465
Luce | HFD | 465
O'Reilly | MHC | 464
Ramsay | ORI | 464
MacKell | ORI | 463
Nolan | REG | 455
Ellis | VAN | 455
Pronovost | HFD | 454
Backes | IND | 451
Balon | TBC | 451
Berenson | BRO | 448
Hadfield | CSK | 445
Sullivan | MSE | 443
Kerr | WLT | 438
Sutter | TOL | 434
Marshall | CSK | 433
Stanfield | STR | 433
Poulin | ABB | 430
Lemieux | TOL | 429
Toppazzini | MTL | 429
Bridgman | IND | 428
MacGregor | TBC | 428
Tikkanen | BRO | 426
Carbonneau | CSK | 424
Goring | AMA | 424
Mosdell | WLT | 411
McKenzie | TGD | 408
Sanderson | TOL | 408
Kesler | VAN | 407
Sheppard | MTL | 405
Rolston | REG | 400
Marcotte | CHI | 394
Larionov | MSE | 391
Nesterenko | CHI | 389
Bourne | MTM | 388
Graves | STR | 381
Clark | BRB | 378
Lehtinen | ABB | 377
Kasper | DUK | 375
Westfall | CSK | 373
Tremblay | STK | 372
Graham | TML | 368
Madden | AMA | 363
Peca | IND | 357
Pavelich | AMA | 356
Otto | TML | 316
Gainey | MHC | 315
Curry | MTM | 312
Draper | BRB | 306
Jarvis | TMA | 293
J.Roberts | STR | 244

 

[seventieslord]

That entire Tubthumping album rocks.

Drip drip drip.... goes the water

 

[Sturminator]

Forgot one, seventies: Glenn Anderson.

 

[seventieslord]

Forgot one, seventies: Glenn Anderson.

fixed.

 

[Dreakmur]

fixed.

and Pavol Demitra

 

[BenchBrawl]

What's the range of score for a guy like say... Joe Sakic, to take a random non-outlier offensive superstar? Just to give me some perspective on what those numbers meant ''overall'' and not just between non-pp ATDer forwards.

 

[Johnny Engine]

What's the range of scores for a guy like say... Joe Sakic, to take a random non-outlier offensive superstar? Just to give me some perspective on what those numbers meant ''overall'' and not just between non-pp ATDer forwards.

I would think the easy answer is 700, given that any derivation of VsX7 is specifically a percentage of what a non-outlier superstar would be expected to produce.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I would think the easy answer is 700, given that any derivation of VsX7 is specifically a percentage of what a non-outlier superstar would be expected to produce.

Good point.I'm just not used to the numbers when presented that way.

 

[Johnny Engine]

Keeping in mind, of course, that the outliers and non-outliers could be different players if you're counting total points vs. even-strength points.

 

[Johnny Engine]

And to better answer your question, a score of 700 would be an indication that Sakic is a good example of the concept, rather than the other way around ("we know Sakic fits the bill, so 700 must be the benchmark.)

Using all-situations, 7-year VsX (because that's what I have in front of me), the players that best embody "7 years of non-outlier superstardom" are:

1. Andy Bathgate (+1.1)
2. Alex Ovechkin (-1.6)
3. Sidney Crosby (+1.8)
4. Howie Morenz (+2.2)
5. Joe Sakic (-2.3)
6. Maurice Richard (+2.4)
7. Bill Cowley (-3)
8. Marcel Dionne (+3.3)
9. Charlie Conacher (-3.8)
10. Bill Cook (-4)

 

[seventieslord]

Is there a reason we don't talk strictly about even strength scoring for all players including those on scoring lines? I feel like that's probably where we're evolving to. Because pp scoring is a separate thing that can be assessed when comparing pp units.

I get that raw vsx is meant to be "Apples to apples" because all those guys played on the pp, so in theory, vsx is a proxy for esvsx, but if this esvsx stuff has shown me anything, it's that it's often not the same at all.

 

[Sturminator]

Just take these numbers and divide them by 7 to get a "standard format" 7-season ESVsX number. So for example, your Tony Amonte comes out to 81.3.

A seven point gap in these numbers is then like a single point gap in the standard format.

 

[JFA87-66-99]

The Pittsburgh Bankers select C/LW Harry Smith

 

[Stoneberg]

West Lafayette selects Zinetula Bilyaletdinov, D.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

Tanguay's offense is so darn good for a bottom 6, but I'm actually considering putting him in the press box in favour of Gagne. Might seem crazy to some.

 

[Leaf Lander]

Thought I would had missed my pick by now

 

[King Forsberg]

Tanguay's offense is so darn good for a bottom 6, but I'm actually considering putting him in the press box in favour of Gagne. Might seem crazy to some.

Doesn't seem crazy to me. Gagne was a great two way forward in his his time with the Flyers. Great even strength goal scorer as well.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Just take these numbers and divide them by 7 to get a "standard format" 7-season ESVsX number. So for example, your Tony Amonte comes out to 80.1.

A seven point gap in these numbers is then like a single point gap in the standard format.

Yeah I know, I also did that for the playoff VsX numbers just so it's easier for my brain to contextualize it quickly.

Just wasn't sure if the numbers looked the same as the regular VsX for high-end players.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I'll take Brian Campbell, D.