ATD 2017 Draft Thread IV

[895]

Nah just kidding. I'll take Roger Neilson, Coach.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

The Chicago Shamrocks select Ron Stackhouse, D

 

[Iceman]

Stockholm selects Robyn Regehr, D

 

[tony d]

2011; A grand year in drafting for sure. Would love to get down to that level of drafting again. see who else can be discovered.

Anyways after being gone yesterday time to resume reviewing recent picks:

Miikka Kiprusoff: As I said he was the runner up for me when I went with Connell. With Roy goalie is not an issue for you but if it becomes 1 you got a very good backup here.

Rick Macleish: Good pick, had him in a past draft. Will be a good extra for you.

Gerry Cheevers: You have Sawchuk so goalie won't be an issue for you, still Cheevers is a guy who probably goes higher than he should. Still with Sawchuk as your #1 your backup won't be a problem.

Mike Richter: Another guy I looked at for my backup. Fuhr is your starter so getting a decent backup was a must, Richter should be good in that role.

Miroslav Satan: Came thisclose to picking him when I went with Loktev. Guy was a good scorer and has some size as well, good pick.

Bobby Smith: Another 1 of those guys I've always liked, given Forsberg's on your team drafting extra centres is a must with Forsberg's injury history. Also Muller's a left winger/centre so you can interest Lecavalier or Smith into the lineup and have a good do everything 4th line with Muller/Lecavalier/Smith and Vaive.

John Maclean: For some reason I always liked this guy growing up, had him in a past draft. An offensive right wing extra was a need for you so good pickup.

Brian Bellows: Nice pick, this is a guy that should go in this range every year and not slip to the MLD as he did last year.

Wade Redden: Good pick as well, should be an adequate extra for your team.

Gennady Tsygankov: Not overly familiar with him but reading his bio he seems like a guy who's as comfortable offensively as he was defensively, good pick.

John Tavares: A current player I've always liked. Shame he's wasting his career in Brooklyn in real life. If not for that I think he'd go even higher than 571.

Dallas Smith: Bobby Orr's partner on the ice. He dropped 13 spots this year, guy reads as a good #7 in a draft this size s good pick.

Mathieu Scheidner: Good pickup for you, Scheidner should provide your team with some offense from the back end off the bench.

Viktor Shalimov: Not a bad pick, adds to the already impressive strength your team has at right wing.

Vasili Pervukhin: Decent pick, will add depth to your defensive corps for sure.

Camille Henry: Good pick, more of a power play specialist than anything else at this level though.

Lorne Chabot: He was my backup to Benedict in 2015 as well, he's going to be a serviceable backup for you.

Frank Patrick: Lavi's a good coach on all time basis but is in the mid to lower ranges all time at this level so getting an assistant for him makes sense.

Robert Svehla: Svhela's a good pick, one of those defensemen who can do it all. Nice pick.

Dave Kerr: My backup last year, that was to Roy. Charlie Gardiner's good as well, no Roy but still fine and Kerr should be a good backup for him.

J.P. Parise: Had him a few drafts ago. It was said then that his son, Zach, may pass him one day in this draft. That has happened. JP is still a good pick though. I could possibly see a situation where Irvin gets frustrated with Lynn Patrick and can bench Patrick for Parise.

Roger Neilson: Captain video, he'll be a very good assistant coach for your team to Pat Quinn.

Robyn Regehr: Very good pick, had he still been there at 593 I would of considered him.

Anyway those are my thoughts on recent picks. Looks like we may have this finished by next Monday.

 

[VanIslander]

The Invincibles select Jack Darragh, the right winger playoff hero several times, scoring back-to-back Stanley Cup clinching goals in 1920 and 1921 to cap off impressive performances both postseasons. In the best-of-5 game final in 1920 against Seattle he scored the game winners in all three Ottawa victories including a hat trick in the deciding game. The next postseason he scored seven goals in seven playoff games including both Ottawa goals in the deciding 5th game of the Finals in a 2-1 victory over Vancouver. Darragh had been an Ottawa player his whole career, making his Stanley Cup debut in winning challenges in 1911 while playing then in a defensive role. He had been 8th in NHA goals and points that regular season and went on to twice be top-6 in goals in the league, voted the best winger in the NHA in a 1914 poll, going on to score 141 points in 132 NHA regular season games played. That league didn't record a lot of assists, but the NHL later did. Darragh had his best regular seasons statistically in the NHL when he finished 2nd in NHL assists as a 29 year old then topped that in 1921 by leading the NHL in assists. When he passed away three years later, the Ottawa Citizen cited: :..."his weight, coupled with terrific speed and magnificent stickhandling, made him a terror to opposing teams." He was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1962.

... a speedball with a great knack for goal scoring. His backhand was particularly lethal, often surprising goalies as that was a largely undeveloped tactic in those days. He also pioneered the "wrong wing" theory, as he was a left handed shot playing on the right side...

 

[Sturminator]

Situational scoring data only goes back to the 1952-53 season. I don't know if this is because that's currently the last continuous season we have in the HSP currently, or if it's due to a limitation in the way goals were recorded prior to that. So this list only includes post-1952 players.

The below scores are the 7-year ESVsX totals for all players who are eligible and are currently listed on the 3rd or 4th line of a roster post. A couple guys were a couple of days behind and I made sure to include their recently selected players.

Hey seventies, could you, before the draft ends, expand this list to include all of the starters covered in the statistical set who are not skating on their respective teams' powerplays?

So, among guys not yet listed, this would include:

Dave Keon, John Tonelli, David Backes, Pete Mahovlich, Peter Bondra (?!), Charlie Simmer (assuming...), Terry O'Reilly, John McKenzie, Zach Parise, Red Berenson, Brad Marchand, Wilf Paiement, Vic Hadfield, Steve Larmer, Wendel Clark, Steve Shutt, Alex Tanguay, Brian Rolston, and Jimmy Roberts.

Phew...I believe that's a complete list of starting skaters who fit in the statistical timeline, are not yet included in the data, and are not skating on their teams' powerplays. I could technically include Marian Hossa, as well, but I'm assuming tony will come to his senses and swap Hossa in for C. Lemieux on his power play.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

I'll just grab Simon Gagne, LW.

 

[King Forsberg]

I'll take Jay Bouwmeester, D. More info to come later

 

[Namba 17]

He's pure offense, right? There's maybe one more winger I'd take over him for pure offense but it's close.

He is Soviet, so he had to be two-way - there were almost no floaters in that team - from what I remember, only Balderis was criticized for not working hard defensively. But, off course, offence is Shalimov's main strength - he played less defense, than, say, Kapustin.

 

[Johnny Engine]

I'm going to grab an extra centre who fits the team's focus on defensively-solid pivots, but not singlemindedly so, and can rotate into the lineup when it needs a different look too.

Seen here in an utterly baffling pose that suggests he may have wanted to be a goalie at one point (but doesn't really know how), is Thomas Steen.

 

[seventieslord]

Jarek selects Keith Magnuson, D

 

[Sturminator]

Ahh...I miss the days when designated goons were a staple of the ATD roster. Well, there's still time, I suppose.

 

[seventieslord]

Ahh...I miss the days when designated goons were a staple of the ATD roster. Well, there's still time, I suppose.

are you referring to Magnuson?

I don't know if I'd straight up call him a "designated goon"; after all, it's not like he really intimidated anyone. He was an inspirational, heart-and-soul, chumbawamba type of player, wasn't he?

In his favour, he did earn some norris votes (5th, 8th, 12th) and played a role on excellent teams (30% better than average). Only a 21.6 minute player on his career, on the other hand, and flamed out fairly quickly. Excellent PK stats.

 

[seventieslord]

I'll take Jay Bouwmeester, D. More info to come later

Good pick, he might have been the best defenseman in last year's MLD.

 

[Iceman]

Good pick, he might have been the best defenseman in last year's MLD.

I think so too.

 

[seventieslord]

Obviously with 2 spare forwards and a backup goalie I should be looking for a spare defenseman. What should I be looking for in a defenseman? Offense? PP ability? No, not really. If a PP defenseman goes down, Savard and Johnson are both passable, plus I have those four forwards.

So I think the best thing to do would be to grab the best defensive defenseman that I can - a guy who is not just an injury fill-in, but one who could make a guy like Vadnais a healthy scratch during a series against a potent opponent, and fill in on the PK.

So I'll select the best defensive defenseman on the board, who also happens to be the worst offensive defenseman among the rest of the next 500 picks, and who also happens to be the guy jarek would have taken if he was scooped on Keith Magnuson - Al Arbour, D.

Arbour was twice 5th in Norris voting and it sure wasn't for his puck skills. He only has a 231 game post-expansion sample to go by, but in that time he was on the ice for an obscene 68% of his team's PP goals against, and his team was 11% better than average on the penalty kill. This is actually the 5th highest mark of all-time among players with 200+ games (along with Arbour, the rest of the top-5 are all guys who were trusted defensive veterans when expansion hit).

Arbour was Leafs property for far too long, unfortunately for him, and though he was probably the best defenseman in North America to not have a regular NHL job from 1963-1967, it was only a symptom of not being better than Bobby Baun, which is what it would have taken to crack the Leafs' top-4 in those years.

 

[jarek]

Interesting. I felt along with Arbour, Magnuson was the best defenseman on the board. I hate the fact that his prime was so short, but during that time he killed lots of penalties, and his size and aggressiveness is something I really lack on my defense.

 

[Sturminator]

are you referring to Magnuson?

I don't know if I'd straight up call him a "designated goon"; after all, it's not like he really intimidated anyone. He was an inspirational, heart-and-soul, chumbawamba type of player, wasn't he?

In his favour, he did earn some norris votes (5th, 8th, 12th) and played a role on excellent teams (30% better than average). Only a 21.6 minute player on his career, on the other hand, and flamed out fairly quickly. Excellent PK stats.

Nah...more pining for the glory days when giant, angry cokeheads would get taken unironically as spares or even 4th liners because every team needed to play that olde time hockey.

 

[jarek]

Nah...more pining for the glory days when giant, angry cokeheads would get taken unironically as spares or even 4th liners because every team needed to play that olde time hockey.

Good times.

 

[Iceman]

Obviously with 2 spare forwards and a backup goalie I should be looking for a spare defenseman. What should I be looking for in a defenseman? Offense? PP ability? No, not really. If a PP defenseman goes down, Savard and Johnson are both passable, plus I have those four forwards.

So I think the best thing to do would be to grab the best defensive defenseman that I can - a guy who is not just an injury fill-in, but one who could make a guy like Vadnais a healthy scratch during a series against a potent opponent, and fill in on the PK.

So I'll select the best defensive defenseman on the board, who also happens to be the worst offensive defenseman among the rest of the next 500 picks, and who also happens to be the guy jarek would have taken if he was scooped on Keith Magnuson - Al Arbour, D.

Arbour was twice 5th in Norris voting and it sure wasn't for his puck skills. He only has a 231 game post-expansion sample to go by, but in that time he was on the ice for an obscene 68% of his team's PP goals against, and his team was 11% better than average on the penalty kill. This is actually the 5th highest mark of all-time among players with 200+ games (along with Arbour, the rest of the top-5 are all guys who were trusted defensive veterans when expansion hit).

Arbour was Leafs property for far too long, unfortunately for him, and though he was probably the best defenseman in North America to not have a regular NHL job from 1963-1967, it was only a symptom of not being better than Bobby Baun, which is what it would have taken to crack the Leafs' top-4 in those years.

Good pick up. Coin flipped between him and Regehr.

I needed a warrior as a backup dman. Unless you lack offense completely from the blueline I think it's more likely that a defensive defensman gets injured blocking a shot on the PK or something.

 

[rmartin65]

Miami selects Keith Primeau, C

 

[Voight]

Indiana Ice will select RW Rene Robert

 

[tony d]

With pick 593 Toledo probably finishes off their defense crops with defenseman Jamie Macoun.

Macoun will step in and play on the pk and bottom pairing for our team in case of injury/rest.

Next has been pmed.

 

[Johnny Engine]

He was an inspirational, heart-and-soul, chumbawamba type of player, wasn't he?

Magnuson was an outspoken anarchist?

 

[seventieslord]

Magnuson was an outspoken anarchist?

...... I think you know what I meant.

but I guess any player with PIM totals that high was probably somewhat of an anarchist.