ATD 2017 Draft Thread IV

[jarek]

I'm sorry, I was aware Gordie Howe was available.

Pavelski hasn't played a lot of LW but at least he has, and he has played RW and C.That makes him one of the players with the most positionnal flexibility, and is one of the big reasons I called him an "ideal spare".

He is not a playmaker, but then so what?

He is not physical, and I never said he was neither.He doesn't have to be.But yeah, I'd prefer him if he was a power forward.I doubt he would have lasted.

In the end, Pavelski has received decent low-end Selke consideration, so he is a good defensive player and can be a decent PKer.He is also a clutch player, much more so than your boy Patrick Marleau.Pavelski scored more goals in the playoffs last year than Marleau had points.

It is true that Pavelski scored a lot on the PP, but then no spare is perfect, else they'd be starters.

For my money Pavelski is a very good spare - I mean, I was considering him for my 2nd line LW, and the deal breaker ended up being him being soft and relying more on the PP than Parise for his offense. In a vacuum though, I don't think he's much worse than Parise, with the added bonus of his positional flexibility and excellent faceoff ability.

He would have been near the top of my list for my 1st spare. To be honest I am a little surprised people are picking spares before they complete their starting rosters! Although I suppose in a case of legitimate injury concerns or suspensions, it would behoove one to account for such scenarios sooner rather than later. I'll probably need to grab someone in case Parise goes down.

 

[jarek]

Put a committed backchecker on his line and there will be no questions on the matter.

Aurele Joliat should fill that role quite nicely, yes?

I've also read mentions that Richard was a dogged back checker. At least, the specific quote was something along the lines of him being a much better back checker than Geoffrion because he was much more physical, and a few others.

Originally Posted by Jim Coleman, 1979
His defensive ability has been unjustly overlooked by hockey historians. The left wingers who played against him, seldom scored goals.

Putting the above in context, it's more likely that they didn't score much because they pretty much never had the puck with the Richard line on the ice. Still, there's a lot of defensive value in having the puck.

This one is a little more specific:

Originally Posted by Michael Ulmer
Away from the net, Richard liked to double-back fairly deep into his own territory. He rarely, if ever, handled the puck in his own end and initiated bodychecks very infrequently. "I have found it usually shakes me up as much as the fellow I have checked," he wrote. Still, while a middling defensive player, Richard was far more diligent than the procession of superstars - Hull, Gretzky, Lemieux - who followed him and Irvin used him in defensive situations. On a turnover, he always headed back first to his own zone and once there he picked up his man. The Canadiens kept track in 1950-51; while Richard scored 43 goals, his check scored 11 times. Still, Richard rationed his strength for offense. He was, Jean Beliveau wrote, "a highly-tuned, specialized hockey instrument, not a well-balanced, all-around player

Originally Posted by Peter9
I saw Richard play many times, both live and on the television. His tremendous will to win did not magically disappear when the puck was possessed by the opposition and/or when the puck was on the Canadiens' side of the opposing team's blue line. Richard had tremendous upper body strength, and when it was necessary, he used it on defence. He was excellent defensively. Because of the Canadiens' overall strength, however, he was usually able to pick his spots in using his defensive capabilities. He was not a selfish player, by the way. More than anything, he wanted his team to win, and that meant doing whatever was necessary to see that it won. Because of his peculiar talents, that usually meant trying to score goals, but he could, and did, excel at other parts of the game, including playmaking and defending.

I think my defensemen can expect well above average support from their forwards in the defensive zone from my first line.

 

[chaosrevolver]

JFA is skipped.

The Cobalt Silver Kings want to select a goaltender who can provide some excellent play behind Bernie Parent in the regular season and if for whatever reason, in the playoffs as well.

Therefore, we will look at a goalie who accomplished some great things despite playing in the toughest goaltending era in hockey history. From approximately 1992 to 2004 he was one of the leagues best goaltenders in an era including Hasek, Roy, Brodeur and Belfour.

This goaltender has played for a mix bag of teams in talent and currently sits fourth in NHL wins while finishing top 5 in Vezina voting five times (including finishing second to prime Hasek one year). He also has a career .917 playoff save percentage and led the playoffs twice in the statistic. I am not necessarily counting on this goaltender to get Cobalt to the finals but its nice to have a goalie with a strong regular season and playoff background.

The Cobalt Silver Kings select G - Curtis Joseph

 

[jarek]

JFA is skipped.

The Cobalt Silver Kings want to select a goaltender who can provide some excellent play behind Bernie Parent in the regular season and if for whatever reason, in the playoffs as well.

Therefore, we will look at a goalie who accomplished some great things despite playing in the toughest goaltending era in hockey history. From approximately 1992 to 2004 he was one of the leagues best goaltenders in an era including Hasek, Roy, Brodeur and Belfour.

This goaltender has played for a mix bag of teams in talent and currently sits fourth in NHL wins while finishing top 5 in Vezina voting five times (including finishing second to prime Hasek one year). He also has a career .917 playoff save percentage and led the playoffs twice in the statistic. I am not necessarily counting on this goaltender to get Cobalt to the finals but its nice to have a goalie with a strong regular season and playoff background.

The Cobalt Silver Kings select G - Curtis Joseph

Nice pick. Not really sure why he wasn't the next to be picked after Holmes.

I made a bio for him last year that consolidated all the information available: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=114167661&postcount=49

Might as well post a few others I made.

Vladimir Martinec: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=113081033&postcount=7

George Hay: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=113576125&postcount=23

Bruce Stuart: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=113918621&postcount=39

Harry Cameron: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=113259169&postcount=9

Dave Burrows: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=113886981&postcount=37

Lloyd Cook: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=113645967&postcount=30

Pat Quinn: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=114071317&postcount=45

Patrick Marleau: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=98176923&postcount=38

 

[jarek]

Awesome! Thanks jarek!

No problem.

Got some great memories of Cujo with the Leafs. He was what allowed those teams to play the way they did.

Really deserved a cup.. and he really wanted one in Toronto.

 

[MadArcand]

What he is doing this year should be judged as what it is right now, not what it could potentially look like.

"Right now" he is the player who should win both Norris and Hart this season while finishing top 3 in points - all that as defenseman who is actually good defensively.

He has played forward like half his career, no? He is obviously being drafted as a dman. So I don't know what value his forward seasons hold as a dman in the ATD.

He played less than 20% of his career as RW - basically 2013-14 (69 GP) and 2012-13 (30 GP), plus a few games here and there in his first two seasons in Minny.

 

[JFA87-66-99]

Bankers take G Tom Barrasso

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Everyone is on a 4 Hour Clock for the Rest of the Draft


Clock deductions are irrelevant now

 

[tony d]

I'm going to stop the run on backup goalies for a pick (At least now) and finish by starting roster by selecting with Pick 508 John "Pie Face" Mckenzie.

Mckenzie had 474 points in 691 career games and will bring more peskiness to my lineup.

Next has been pmed.

 

[Cyborg LeClair]

The Borg Collective will select, as their 13th forward, a player who can slot into RW or LW and bring size, snarl, scoring, and playmaking. We thought about this player for many picks now and are happy to have him as an option. At the height of the dead puck era, this man was on the most dominant line in the league. In 01-02 he finished 8th in assists and 3rd in points while also placing 3rd in the all star vote and having the highest PPG in the league at 1.18ppg. The following season he was 3rd in goals and 5th in points while also becoming a 1st team all star. The Borg Collective are proud to assimilate Todd Bertuzzi.

A.K.A Todd Borgtuzzi​

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

The Borg Collective will select, as their 13th forward, a player who can slot into RW or LW and bring size, snarl, scoring, and playmaking. We thought about this player for many picks now and are happy to have him as an option. At the height of the dead puck era, this man was on the most dominant line in the league. In 01-02 he finished 8th in assists and 3rd in points while also placing 3rd in the all star vote and having the highest PPG in the league at 1.18ppg. The following season he was 3rd in goals and 5th in points while also becoming a 1st team all star. The Borg Collective are proud to assimilate Todd Bertuzzi.

A.K.A Todd Borgtuzzi​

The Borg did not just assimilate Todd because of his easily assimilatable name. We assure you that resistance was futile regardless.

 

[895]

I want to do a fun gimmick next year.

I'll only draft Russians. If any capitalist pigdogs wish to be drafted by me, they will first be subject to rigorous purification.

Sidneyslav Krosbinin

 

[Voight]

Indiana Ice will select G John "Beezer" Vanbiesbrouck

Solid option to have as Thompsons backup.

 

[Johnny Engine]

I want to do a fun gimmick next year.

I'll only draft Russians. If any capitalist pigdogs wish to be drafted by me, they will first be subject to rigorous purification.

Sidneyslav Krosbinin

We've had some interesting gimmick teams in the past. An all-WHA team in the MLD, for one.
Were you in the draft where Nalyd drafted a team of only multipositional players and just tossed them out on the ice, lines be damned?

 

[tony d]

My first MLD there was an all Russian team I believe.

 

[895]

We've had some interesting gimmick teams in the past. An all-WHA team in the MLD, for one.
Were you in the draft where Nalyd drafted a team of only multipositional players and just tossed them out on the ice, lines be damned?

Yes that was fun. Did it work? I don't remember.

 

[Sturminator]

Yes that was fun. Did it work? I don't remember.

He also refused to submit them for assassination, and no, it did not work.

 

[rmartin65]

The Miami Screaming Eagles select 2 time Vezina award winner Tim Thomas, G

 

[895]

Ed Giacomin

 

[895]

Whelp make it Vachon then

 

[Sturminator]

Whelp make it Vachon then

Better choice for you, anyway.

 

[895]

Better choice for you, anyway.

Oh?

I just looked briefly at the HOH list and career accomplishments.

Seems like Giacomin is higher on the list and has 2 First Team and 3 Second Team while Vachon has 2 Second Team.

 

[Sturminator]

I don't wanna throw too much shade at Fast Eddie, but his all-star nods came against soft competition, and he is probably the worst playoff goalie who will be drafted in the ATD. I'd rather have Vachon.

 

[Dreakmur]

Orillia Terriers select Ken Randall

 

[Johnny Engine]

I'll take a physical, right-shooting defensive midfielder for the 60s Russian team, Eduard Ivanov. Ivanov has fallen over 100 spots over the past few drafts, largely due to an incomplete picture of how he actually stacked up against the world's best at the time. I hope to take a stab at clarifying that somewhat, and I needed a boisterous presence on the right side to step in, in the event of a suspension to Cleghorn or something worse.