ATD 2017 Draft Thread IV

[jarek]

Mad is skipped.

RB selects Yuri Lyapkin, D.

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

Ive felt that the last couple of Russian d-man taken have been inferior to this other Russian d-man. The only reason they should have been taken ahead of d-man X is either because youre going for a certain playstyle or handedness.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

You mean...

Nikolai Sologubov, D

Strathcona finishes their third pair with a two-way defensemen who will team with Moose Vasko to form what should be an effective unit.

 

[MadArcand]

Whalers select Percy LeSueur, G

 

[Namba 17]

Jerry "King Kong" Korab, D.

Norris Voting: T6 ('75)
All-Star Team voting: 10th ('75), T19th ('76), token votes two other years ('77 and '78)
x2 All-Star Game appearances ('75 and '76)

At 6'3 and 220lbs he was considered one of the toughest guy of his time, being twice a member of the league's top-3 PK unit.

In addition to settling down defensively he became a decent offensive threat. Six times he reached double digits in goals, and was a constant 45-50 point threat in his stay in Buffalo.

Opponents knew that they could not take liberties on the Sabres star players because Korab would answer the bell every time.

 

[Namba 17]

VI has some troubles with his PC and that's why we can't make our picks as quick as we'd like to. I'll take all our next 4 hours to wait for an answer from VI.
I'm sorry for the delay.

 

[tinyzombies]

First pick to round out my defense with robust two-way play:

Albert "Battleship" Leduc

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=45485355&postcount=159

- 2-time Stanley Cup Champion (1930, 1931)
- Paired with Sylvio Mantha as the 2 defensemen of the “All Pre-War Canadiens” Team, selected by Sports Illustrated for the 100th Anniversary of the Montreal Canadiens
- scored 57 goals and 35 assists for 92 points in 383 regular season games, adding 614 penalty minutes.
- scored 5 goals and 6 assists for 11 points in 28 playoff games, adding 32 penalty minutes.

Top 10 Finishes:
Penalty Minutes - 3x - (7, 9, 10)

 

[tinyzombies]

To round out forward group and checking line, I will add the Tasmanian Devil Terry O'Reilly.

O'Reilly had a total of 606 points (204 goals and 402 assists) in 891 games and an excellent career +/- rating of +212. He not surprisingly remains the Bruins all time leader in penalties with 2095 minutes served.

O'Reilly would crash and bang in the corners and more often than not would come out with the puck. He showed nice hands and hockey sense, setting up 41 goals, often by McNab, and collecting 55 points. In 1977-78, O'Reilly set career highs as he led the Bruins with 61 assists and 90 points. His hard work earned him two trips to the All-Star games in 1975 and 1978.

 

[jarek]

To round out forward group and checking line, I will add the Tasmanian Devil Terry O'Reilly.

O'Reilly had a total of 606 points (204 goals and 402 assists) in 891 games and an excellent career +/- rating of +212. He not surprisingly remains the Bruins all time leader in penalties with 2095 minutes served.

O'Reilly would crash and bang in the corners and more often than not would come out with the puck. He showed nice hands and hockey sense, setting up 41 goals, often by McNab, and collecting 55 points. In 1977-78, O'Reilly set career highs as he led the Bruins with 61 assists and 90 points. His hard work earned him two trips to the All-Star games in 1975 and 1978.

Well that's too bad.

 

[tinyzombies]

Well that's too bad.

I liked the size, speed, defense and robust play of Gainey-Toews. Adding O'Reilly might maximize Toews' 5-on-5 scoring considering he finished high in Seventies' 5-on-5 chart that he just posted. O'Reilly was a very good set-up man (60 assists one year). So this line could actually turn the tables on you now and set up shop down low, since all three guys are excellent on the boards. Kind of turns this into a power-vs-power line now, freeing up my other three lines. Ok, time for a mimosa, that was hard work.

Not sure about my second pairing on defense. Not a lot of offense there.

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

You mean...

Nikolai Sologubov, D

Strathcona finishes their third pair with a two-way defensemen who will team with Moose Vasko to form what should be an effective unit.

Yup, that was who I was talking about. If you go by the Top-Euros projects, he came in ahead of Ragulin and Lutchenko, who both went 200+ spots ahead. Of course, Sologubov played at a time when the competition was not where it should be and that info on him is limited, and I would understand erring on the side of caution when choosing between those three. But after Lutchenko, I don't see any reason (other than the ones I stated in my previous post) to pick Davydov, Ivanov, Lyapkin and even though he's not Russian, Bubla too ahead of Sologubov.

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

Also, I'm pretty excited to reveal my next pick. I believe I have uncovered a wealth of information on this player, and I easily think he could be bumped up a minimum of 300 spots from where he usually goes.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Yup, that was who I was talking about. If you go by the Top-Euros projects, he came in ahead of Ragulin and Lutchenko, who both went 200+ spots ahead. Of course, Sologubov played at a time when the competition was not where it should be and that info on him is limited, and I would understand erring on the side of caution when choosing between those three. But after Lutchenko, I don't see any reason (other than the ones I stated in my previous post) to pick Davydov, Ivanov, Lyapkin and even though he's not Russian, Bubla too ahead of Sologubov.

I needed a RD I don't disagree in principle but we're building teams that happen to be all star teams and not all star teams that happen to play together

 

[jarek]

I needed a RD I don't disagree in principle but we're building teams that happen to be all star teams and not all star teams that happen to play together

This is one of those cases where the player shooting the wrong way is quite possibly so much better than the other guy that you should pretty much ignore the shot side issue..

Lyapkin is surely better offensively, but I believe Sologubov is just a much better defenseman. Unless you can find something to show that Lyapkin is anything but a significant liability defensively (the main knock against him).

 

[ResilientBeast]

This is one of those cases where the player shooting the wrong way is quite possibly so much better than the other guy that you should pretty much ignore the shot side issue..

Lyapkin is surely better offensively, but I believe Sologubov is just a much better defenseman. Unless you can find something to show that Lyapkin is anything but a significant liability defensively (the main knock against him).

As a 6 next to Lowe I think he'll work great and it allows me to load up my second PP

 

[jarek]

As a 6 next to Lowe I think he'll work great and it allows me to load up my second PP

Yeah, the pairing works of course, but I wouldn't trust them with too many ES minutes. Not Lyapkin anyways.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Yeah, the pairing works of course, but I wouldn't trust them with too many ES minutes. Not Lyapkin anyways.

He has the least ES minutes at this point but I've messed up my chart a forward playing D on the PP and a D at forward on the PP is making it a mess

 

[jarek]

He has the least ES minutes at this point but I've messed up my chart a forward playing D on the PP and a D at forward on the PP is making it a mess

Good work!

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Strathcona adds a two-way winger who is also about to have his ATD reputation improved greatly. Once derided for being "lazy" and poor defensively in the latter half of his career after garnering praise for that skill in his early years, the new information I will present shows that this player was a brilliant backchecker for the majority of his time in the NHA and PCHA while also remaining an effective scorer:

Alf Skinner, RW

 

[jarek]

Strathcona adds a two-way winger who is also about to have his ATD reputation improved greatly. Once derided for being "lazy" and poor defensively in the latter half of his career after garnering praise for that skill in his early years, the new information I will present shows that this player was a brilliant backchecker for the majority of his time in the NHA and PCHA while also remaining an effective scorer:

Alf Skinner, RW

We already knew he was strong defensively. I think overpass did a nice bio on him.

 

[ResilientBeast]

I'll grab my first spare someone who can play left wing or center and select Billy Burch, C/LW adds a little offensive coming of the bench.

EagleBelfour bio

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

We already knew he was strong defensively. I think overpass did a nice bio on him.

Overpass' bio states this:

From these quotes, we can see the trajectory of Skinner's 1917-18 season. Skinner starts off the year in poor shape, carrying some extra weight, and his play was poor. He plays his way into shape after a few games, and has some excellent games, but he's still inconsistent.

To his credit, he was terrific in the 1918 Cup Final. However, in 1922, he appears to have been struggling with his weight again. This inconsistency is probably the reason that Skinner is not remembered as a strong defensive player.

However, what I have found indicates he was extremely consistent in his backchecking not only year-in and year-out but game-in and game-out, and was often assigned the task of shutting down the other team's best players while being a regular goal leader.

 

[Voight]

I was wondering when TOR was gonna get picked. Good value there.

 

[jarek]

However, what I have found indicates he was extremely consistent in his backchecking not only year-in and year-out but game-in and game-out, and was often assigned the task of shutting down the other team's best players while being a regular goal leader.

One thing you very much need to come to terms with is that up until two-line hockey became a thing, virtually every player of note played 60 minutes every single game. There was no "task" of shutting down the other team's best players. If you were the starter, you were expected to both score AND shut down the other team's offense.

Obviously a lot of players fell more towards one side of the coin - they were either strong offensively or defensively. I trust the coaches back then iced the team that gave them the best chance to win, wherever their skills were most prominent.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

One thing you very much need to come to terms with is that up until two-line hockey became a thing, virtually every player of note played 60 minutes every single game. There was no "task" of shutting down the other team's best players. If you were the starter, you were expected to both score AND shut down the other team's offense.

Yes and no. There were not shutdown lines as we know them today, but there absolutely were players who shadowed a star at the expense of offense as they would do now. In those instances, their linemates took on the brunt of the scoring.

Obviously a lot of players fell more towards one side of the coin - they were either strong offensively or defensively. I trust the coaches back then iced the team that gave them the best chance to win, wherever their skills were most prominent.

Skinner is that rare breed who appears to have been both. His playing weight was often mentioned in contemporary accounts, but for all the flak it earned him, that fact didn't seem to impede his ability to skate or check at a high level. On top of that, he was a consistent scorer.

On the subject of players who should go 300 spots higher, I can see Skinner being a third liner here. One of the things I was surprised to learn about him was how adept he was at scooping up rebounds and being what we'd consider a "net presence". He was noted to be the best of his time at it.