ATD 2017 Draft Thread II

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VanIslander

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180. Madarcand - Hartford Whalers - ON THE CLOCK (7 hours, 30 minutes remaining)

181. rmartin65 - Miami Screaming Eagles
182. Dreakmur - Orillia Terriers
183. broad - HC Borussia Red Bull
184. rmartin65 - Miami Screaming Eagles
185. Iceman - Stockholm Full Throttle
186. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires

I'll be around for a few more hours then I'll PM Madarcand rmartin's list
One should NEVER PM the guy before the list of the guy that drafts right after!

PM Dreakmur rmartin's list. The guy AFTER should get the list.

(I have had bad, bad experiences with sending in lists, especially elsewhere, so I personally stopped doing it. Send a list of names to drop if you want - or better a post to cut and paste with lots of info on your guy - or, make us wait because you have a clock and provide info when you pick - or as so few do: in bios afterwards.)
 
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ck26

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Dropping a name is the minimalist approach to all-time drafting. Is it the eventual endproduct of the "smart"phone age?
Being snide for no reason is the minimalist approach to the ATD. Is it your goal to drive people away by criticizing the way they announce what player they want in the pick-a-fake-team-for-a-fake-season-of-fake-hockey game?
 

BenchBrawl

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Being snide for no reason is the minimalist approach to the ATD.

Agreed.This was uncalled for from VanI, even if there's some truth to what he said.

Is it your goal to drive people away by criticizing the way they announce what player they want in the pick-a-fake-team-for-a-fake-season-of-fake-hockey game?

Speaking of being snide...

Maybe this is an accurate description, but then you didn't talk about the part where GMs are researching players and providing information about them, contributing to everyone's knowledge of hockey history.This is pretty much what VanI maladroitly pointed out; the ATD is not just the game you described, it is a medium through which hockey history research can be conducted while adding a competitive, strategic and entertaining side to it.
 
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Agreed.This was uncalled for from VanI, even if there's some truth to what he said.



Speaking of being snide...

Maybe this is an accurate description, but then you didn't talk about the part where GMs are researching players and providing information about them, contributing to everyone's knowledge of hockey history.This is pretty much what VanI maladroitly pointed out; the ATD is not just the game you described, it is a medium through which hockey history research can be conducted while adding a competitive, strategic and entertaining side to it.

See but the competitive part of it is what keeps me coming back, spending hours research potential players. So in a way it is a game, while not devaluing it's usage as a research tool.
 

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See but the competitive part of it is what keeps me coming back, spending hours research potential players. So in a way it is a game, while not devaluing it's usage as a research tool.

I didn't say it wasn't a game.I said it was not just a game.

Describing the ATD as ''pick-a-fake-team-for-a-fake-season-of-fake-hockey game'' is fairly accurate, but it leaves out all the actual work/research being done through this game (as opposed to a regular fantasy draft), and it has a disrespectful undertone (in my opinion).

Now I understand we're not unifying physics or curing cancer here, but still.A modicum of respect when describing what we're putting so much effort in seems in order.
 

VanIslander

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I didn't say it wasn't a game.I said it was not just a game.

Describing the ATD as ''pick-a-fake-team-for-a-fake-season-of-fake-hockey game'' is fairly accurate, but it leaves out all the actual work/research being done through this game (as opposed to a regular fantasy draft), and it has a disrespectful undertone (in my opinion).

Now I understand we're not unifying physics or curing cancer here, but still.A modicum of respect when describing what we're putting so much effort in seems in order.
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rmartin65

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The Miami Screaming Eagles select Allan Stanley, D

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The 1981 HHOF inductee was thrice top 5 in All-Star voting and twice Top 3 in Norris votes (7 time top 10). The veteran of over 1200 NHL games will be relied on to provide solid positional defense and a great transition pass.

Allan Stanley won the Stanley Cup 4 times, all with the 1960's Toronto Maple Leafs.
 

King Forsberg

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That size difference! :laugh:

When KF was talking about adding a guy for his Zetterberg - Stewart line, this was the first name that came to mind.

Yeah Fleury was definitely one of the players I was thinking about for that spot as well. Would have been nice but I didn't want to think he'd fall to 210. Oh well.
 

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Maybe this is an accurate description, but then you didn't talk about the part where GMs are researching players and providing information about them, contributing to everyone's knowledge of hockey history.This is pretty much what VanI maladroitly pointed out; the ATD is not just the game you described, it is a medium through which hockey history research can be conducted while adding a competitive, strategic and entertaining side to it.

I'll be honest, I don't have that much interest in the actual history part. The game is what keeps me coming back.
 

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Reg noble.

Could someone please pm next for me? I'm on my phone
 

tinyzombies

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I'll be honest, I don't have that much interest in the actual history part. The game is what keeps me coming back.

The history part is #1 for me, but my pick came late at night and I took the highest Vs2 scorer available after reading his bio. I just went to last year's bios and searched the name and then copied the link. I ignored his previous draft finishes because he fit in so well with what I had.

I'm guessing if the scoring finishes aren't there, you could easily comb thru the leading scorers for each year he played to add another dimension to the flattened Vs2 effect.

Never heard of Drillon before, and didn't know the Leafs lost in the finals in 38, 39 AND 40. As a Habs fan, I enjoyed that part. Was interesting to read that Drillon's style of parking in front of the net for rebounds and tips was considered lazy back then, though it became the model for future greats like Espo, etc. But Drillon was chastised by Smythe despite putting up huge goal (and assist) numbers. Kind of like how homers were thought of as cheating in the Babe Ruth days?

Also, with seventies' height/weight adjustments, he'd be 6-5, 208. Lanky body at the net with Moose bulling around for pucks and scoring off the rush makes for a nice line balance maybe? Would be fun to see him tip Potvin wristers with one of those old canoe paddles as well. Not sure he'd want to get in front of a Wilson slapper. If we're playing old school rules, Chara plants him into the first row, but by today's rules, Drillon would be one of the leading scorers perhaps, tho there is a reference to him as "floating up the right wing like a blimp," however Turk Broda said he could pick a hole the size of a puck, so he could snipe as well. That's the quote that caught my eye (along with the Vs2 result). And Broda was my grandfather's favorite player, so that was cool too.
 
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jarek

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The history part is #1 for me, but my pick came late at night and I took the highest Vs2 scorer available after reading his bio. I just went to last year's bios and searched the name and then copied the link.

I'm guessing if the scoring finishes aren't there, you could easily comb thru the leadings scorers for each year he played to add another dimension to the flattened Vs2 effect.

Part of it might be that I've been in so many ATDs now that the history part of it is starting to get dull. I've done more than my fair share of research in the past.
 

rmartin65

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Miami selects Dale Hawerchuk, C

I'll edit this post with more information when I get home.
 

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Miami selects Dale Hawerchuk, C

I'll edit this post with more information when I get home.

That's who I had as BPA...

I took Fosyton because he gave me so much flexibility. He can play 1st line RW with Lindsay and Cowley, or he can play 2nd line LW, C, or RW.

I figured Foyston + BPA later was better than Hawerchuk + best winger later.
 

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RW Yvan Cournoyer on phone please pm next.

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For those who got to witness Yvan Cournoyer apply his trade live and in person knew they were seeing something special. One of the best skaters and stickhandlers ever to grace a sheet of ice, Cournoyer played with an affection for the game of hockey that was as obvious as it was rarely matched.

Yvan joined the Montreal Canadiens during the 1964-65 season and by the time he retired in 1979, he had run up an impressive array of offensive statistics. He scored 25 or more goals 12 consecutive times in his career which was marked with consistency and championships.

But in his first years Yvan was used exclusively as a power play specialist. As a rookie he scored seven goals in 55 games. In his second year (1965-66) Yvan scored 16 of his 18 goals on the PP. The following season he scored 20 of his 25 goals with the man advantage. Yvan eventually scored over 150 power play goals during his NHL career.

Toe Blake, then coach of the Canadiens, wasn't satisfied enough with Yvan's defensive skills to give him a full-time job.

The French faithful didn't understand why Blake didn't play him more. They were constantly chanting "We want Cournoyer".

Blake would stalk behind the bench, his eyes blazing in anger.

"Why don't they let him alone?" he would snarl. "They're putting pressure on him and they're hurting him. They're hurting the team."

Blake was trying his best to keep the pressure off the young Yvan.

Earlier Blake had sent him down to AHL for a seven game stint which made a deep impression on Yvan.

"I knew then that the only place to be was with the big team," Cournoyer said. "I guess I always knew that, but it had never occurred to me that I might not be a part of it. When I got back, I said to myself, 'Yvan, this is the only place to be and you are going to work hard to be here.' Maybe it was then that I started to mature. Toe kept harping at my defensive play, and I kept working on it"

His best years were in the 1970s, when he had two forty plus goal seasons. Perhaps the finest moment in his career came in the playoffs in 1973, where he scored 15 goals in 17 games and was the recipient of the Conn Smythe Trophy, which is awarded to the MVP of the NHL's playoffs. The six time all star would taste sweet champagne from Lord Stanley's silver chalice an incredible 10 times in his career.

Despite his small size physically, Cournoyer was one of the strongest and most uncatchable skaters of all time. Nicknamed "the Roadrunner", Yvan's explosive acceleration on the ice often actually worked to his physical disadvantage at times.

"I played on my speed," Yvan once explained. "When you do that, injuries have got to happen. Imagine if you had a car that you only ran at full speed or a racehorse that you raced every day. If you're going at 100 percent all the time, something has to give every so often."

Yvan was not only fast but was also an impressive stickhandler, and had a booming slap shot that was deadly accurate. Yvan was actually a pretty tough player and was never intimidated by bigger stronger players.

"I was never the kind of guy who was going to hit first. But if a guy dropped his gloves I didn't back down."

That of course didn't happen very often since Yvan recorded only 255 penalty minutes during his NHL career, an average of 17 minutes per season, and had only 47 minutes in his 147 playoff games.

Yvan was a great leader and would be the Canadiens captain during their glory years of the late seventies. He wasn't a vocal leader but he let his on ice performance do the talking.

"It was certainly an honor to be named the captain. I was never a vocal leader, a guy who yelled or gave advice. I guess my teammates looked at me as the veteran and that they felt my experience would make me a capable captain," Yvan said.

Those qualities of speed, skill and leadership were very evident in the Summit Series against the Soviet Union in 1972. Yvan made several clutch plays.

In the second game of the series Yvan went on to score a dazzling goal, leaving the Soviet defenseman flatfooted and in shock as he raced in from his wing to beat Vladislav Tretiak. It turned out to be the winning goal.

Yvan remembers the play very well and still jokes that the Soviet defenseman must have caught a cold given the fact how fast he flew by him.
In the crucial eighth game, he scored the tying goal midway through the third period paving the way for Henderson's dramatic series winning goal late in the game.

In the 1975 Super Series, the Soviet Red Army team met the Canadiens on New Year's Eve in what was considered one of the greatest games of all time. Yvan played great that night, scoring one goal and setting up another. Had he been more lucky he could have scored a couple more. The Red Army defenders tried desperately to keep up with the Roadrunner during the game. Not surprisingly, he was named one of the game's three stars along with team mate Peter Mahovlich and Red Army goalie Tretiak.

Yvan was still flying when a back injury would fell him during the 1977 season. Yvan had an operation on March 14,1977 to remove a disc from his lower back. He returned in 1978, but it was clear he had lost some of his speed, which limited his effectiveness. He would be sidelined again with back problems in 1979. He seemed to be the Roadrunner of old when he returned for the 1979-80 season, but he found the pain in his back re-occurring and decided to retire rather than risk more permanent injury.

Yvan Cournoyer is considered to be one of the best right wingers of the seventies. In 16 seasons of play, Cournoyer established himself as one of the premier forwards in the NHL, scoring 428 goals and 435 assists in 968 games.

Yvan was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1982.
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rmartin65

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Hull - Lach
Ovechkin - Hawerchuk

Are a pair of scary tandems

Thanks. And I have Fleury to throw in there somewhere as well. Probably with Ovie and Hawerchuk, but we will see what happens later.

That's who I had as BPA...

I took Fosyton because he gave me so much flexibility. He can play 1st line RW with Lindsay and Cowley, or he can play 2nd line LW, C, or RW.

I figured Foyston + BPA later was better than Hawerchuk + best winger later.

I think this is a fair statement, and a perfect example of why going by BPA can sink a team. I have 3 of my 4 top 6 wing spots taken, so I could afford to take a C. If I was in your position, I probably would have made the same decision you did.
 

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I'm going big and physical for my #3 defenseman. Harvey Pulford, a 4 time Stanley cup champion and six year captain of the Ottawa Silver Seven.
 
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