ATD 2017 Draft Thread II

[Leaf Lander]

Krutov just sucked while in the nhl

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

Foyston and Krutov last year made Rob Scuderi's team winner. Two great picks

Foyston definitely, Krutov was just a weird fit on a line with Brett Hull for him though. It was the rest of his team that was really good.

 

[Voight]

The Indiana Ice will select D Harry Howell !

Brings a solid defensive presence to our squadra.

 

[Theokritos]

...and if memory serves, he admitted to the allegations being completely made up.

Nah, he (Ed Willes) didn't go that far, not at all. But he failed to confirm that Krutov's long-time line mate [undrafted] was the source of the accusation, even though that's what he originally claimed. A summary of what the problems are with Willes' replies can be found here. (I'm not going to quote that post here as the name of the undrafted long-time line mate appears about a dozen times.) Here's Sturminator's take:

Yes, having been one of Krutov's biggest critics vis-á-vis doping in the past, I came away from the exchange with Willes of the opinion that at least that part of the case against Krutov is weaker than it had seemed to be. I tried as hard as I could to formulate precise questions, and was disappointed at the imprecision of the answers given.

 

[895]

The Indiana Ice will select D Harry Howell !

Often said to be the last defensive defenseman to win the Norris, Howell still placed within the top ten in points & goals for defencemen his fair share of times.

Uhh... who says that? Rod Langway?

 

[jarek]

Nah, he (Ed Willes) didn't go that far, not at all. But he failed to confirm that Krutov's long-time line mate [undrafted] was the source of the accusation, even though that's what he originally claimed. A summary of what the problems are with Willes' replies can be found here. (I'm not going to quote that post here as the name of the undrafted long-time line mate appears about a dozen times.) Here's Sturminator's take:

Thank you for the clarification.

 

[Voight]

Uhh... who says that? Rod Langway?

I misworded that

 

[Dreakmur]

I misworded that

Did yiu mean he was the last defensive defenseman to deserve the Norris?

 

[Johnny Engine]

I'm pretty sure Bobby Orr just took over the Norris entirely after Howell's win, and has actually won the last 49 Norrises in a row.

 

[tinyzombies]

Will be fun to do a draft where only physicality mattered and the old guys would have to survive in that world

 

[Johnny Engine]

Will be fun to do a draft where only physicality mattered and the old guys would have to survive in that world

If we're doing that, I'm still keeping Pulford.

 

[tinyzombies]

If we're doing that, I'm still keeping Pulford.

Yeah actually a lot of these crybaby millionaires would not survive

Edit: that was a joke btw... these guys are brave af

 

[Ben Grimm]

2nd pick in a row with no pm and I'm the one who picks. Does anyone remember me from previous drafts? pls pm next on my phone

C Vladimir Petrov

Vladimir Vladimirovich Petrov (Russian: Влади́мир Влади́мирович Петро́в) (born June 30, 1947 in Krasnogorsk, Soviet Union) is a former Soviet ice hockey player, two times Olympic Champion (1972—gold, 1976—gold, 1980—silver).
Vladimir Petrov played in Soviet Ice Hockey League for Krylya Sovetov, Moscow (from 1965 to 1967), CSKA Moscow (from 1967 to 1981) and SKA, Leningrad (from 1981 to 1983). In CSKA Moscow and Soviet national team, he, together with Boris Mikhailov and Valeri Kharlamov, formed one of the best offensive lines ever.
Vladimir Petrov played for Soviet Team in three Winter Olympics, 1972 Soviet Union-Canada Summit Series and many IIHF World Championships. He is 4th all-time leading scorer in World Championships, with 154 points (74 goals and 80 assists) in 102 games and scored 7 points (3 goals and 4 assists) in 8 games of Summit Series. He retired from ice hockey in 1983.
In mid-1990s, Vladimir Petrov was the president of Russian Ice Hockey Federation. In 2006, Petrov has been immortalized in the IIHF Hall of Fame.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Petrov_(ice_hockey)​

 

[Namba 17]

C Vladimir Petrov

The most underrated player on HF. Should be much higher, than Maltsev, for example. It seems, people don't understand, how good he was. Don't read books - watch games
The same can be said about Pospisil - he should be drafted as high, as Vasiliev.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Krutov has a stigma around with the whole PED speculation. Totally undeserved IMO

Nah, he (Ed Willes) didn't go that far, not at all. But he failed to confirm that Krutov's long-time line mate [undrafted] was the source of the accusation, even though that's what he originally claimed. A summary of what the problems are with Willes' replies can be found here. (I'm not going to quote that post here as the name of the undrafted long-time line mate appears about a dozen times.) Here's Sturminator's take:

It was very weak evidence and it never made any sense in the first place to individually single out Krutov based on what we know of those teams.

Good on Sturm to dig into it and finally change his position, though.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

With our next pick, the Borg are proud to assimilate Vladimir Konstantinborg. Resistance is futile.

We are unintentionally assimilating the 1997 Red Wings

 

[chaosrevolver]

The Cobalt Silver Kings select a defenseman who is rugged, defensively solid and still was able to not only transition the puck up decently well but also could contribute offensively. This man was also a long time captain and we are very happy to have him man our second pairing.

D - Fern Flaman

 

[ck26]

Looking at both Flaman and Big Vlad with my next pick. Solid 2-3 stay at home types.

 

[JFA87-66-99]

The Pittsburgh Bankers select RW Babe Dye

...A great goal-scorer, with a great shot and also a good playoff player. Could possibly be good a good winger for Mario Lemieux. Mario always played great with a power forward on his line and Babe Dye should fill that role quite nicely.

 

[VanIslander]

...A great goal-scorer, with a great shot and also a good playoff player. Could possibly be good a good winger for Mario Lemieux. Mario always played great with a power forward on his line and Babe Dye should fill that role quite nicely.

Dye didn't skate well according to most sources, and was small (5'8 was below average even back then) but his STICKHANDLING and especially his SHOT were all-time great! I think Dye's lack of footspeed will not hurt him when Mario has the puck, because Mario often took his time moving up ice, controlling the play, and he'll have plenty of time to decide whether to shoot himself, pass off to the left or defense or go to Dye, who should be in position by then for a legendary quality shot on net! But,... I dunno if Dye would be much of a 'power forward'. He certainly would be wasted crashing the net when he should be the guy in the slot. The line could use a powerplay net-crashing left winger who hustles also on the backcheck.

 

[JFA87-66-99]

Dye didn't skate well according to most sources, and was small (5'8 was below average even back then) but his STICKHANDLING and especially his SHOT were all-time great! I think Dye's lack of footspeed will not hurt him when Mario has the puck, because Mario often took his time moving up ice, controlling the play, and he'll have plenty of time to decide whether to shoot himself, pass off to the left or defense or go to Dye, who should be in position by then for a legendary quality shot on net! But,... I dunno if Dye would be much of a 'power forward'. He certainly would be wasted crashing the net when he should be the guy in the slot. The line could use a powerplay net-crashing left winger who hustles also on the backcheck.

Fair enough and nice feedback. Was Babe Dye really all that small for his era? Also maybe not a true power forward in that sense but a player who might be similar in style to 2 of Lemieux's undrafted linemates who scored quite a bit on Mario'a wing. I don't think Dye's lack of footspeed will hurt his play if he's with Mario but I do like his pure goal scoring instincts and shooting abilities.

 

[VanIslander]

Fair enough and nice feedback. Was Babe Dye really all that small for his era? Also maybe not a true power forward in that sense but a player who might be similar in style to 2 of Lemieux's undrafted linemates who scored quite a bit on Mario'a wing.

Nah, just a little under average. I'd think something like 5'11 or 6'0 in today's NHL. I only mentioned it because power forwards are usually big and tough and he wasn't renowned for either of those attributes (nor could I find references to him as a netcrashers).

 

[JFA87-66-99]

Nah, just a little under average. I'd think something like 5'11 or 6'0 in today's NHL. I only mentioned it because power forwards are usually big and tough and he wasn't renowned for either of those attributes (nor could I find references to him as a netcrashers).

All in all I'm pretty happy to get Babe Dye at pick #196. He was a guy I was actually looking at with my last pick at #128, but I didn't think he'd still be in the board. I also was considering a few players who just got snagged like Petrov, who I think gets underrated a littlebit, Fern Flaman and Harry Howell. I nice run of picks yesterday hopefully my next pick at #203 will happen today.

 

[Cyborg LeClair]

About the Konstantinov pick. I trust that we're not going to pretend he was an injury prone player, he actually missed very few games due to hockey injuries. I expect we would treat his accident in 97 as an early retirement of sorts?

 

[rmartin65]

About the Konstantinov pick. I trust that we're not going to pretend he was an injury prone player, he actually missed very few games due to hockey injuries. I expect we would treat his accident in 97 as an early retirement of sorts?

I cant speak for everyone, but thats how I treat it. Non-hockey injuries dont make me think a player is injury prone. Injury prone, to me, is when a player is repeatedly hurt as a result of on-ice play.