ATD 2017 Draft Thread II

[jarek]

We'll take Art Ross, D.

It is said that if you wanted to win a Stanley Cup, you went out and acquired Ross. The Milt Dunnel cup isn't the Stanley Cup, but the same logic still applies!

He was primarily a rushing defenseman but there's plenty to support his two-way game. I will consolidate all the information available. He also played with Gerard in 1915 and 1916.

 

[seventieslord]

We'll take Art Ross, D.

It is said that if you wanted to win a Stanley Cup, you went out and acquired Ross. The Milt Dunnel cup isn't the Stanley Cup, but the same logic still applies!

He was primarily a rushing defenseman but there's plenty to support his two-way game. I will consolidate all the information available. He also played with Gerard in 1915 and 1916.

He must be a two way player, because his offense it's not remotely close to a Cameron or Cleghorn using defense vsx.

 

[jarek]

He must be a two way player, because his offense it's not remotely close to a Cameron or Cleghorn using defense vsx.

Yeah, you're right. And I don't think you'll get anyone remotely close to those guys offensively at this point in the draft without giving up a lot elsewhere. We still needed a top pairing D who could move the puck and play well in his own end, and Ross fits that, while being arguably the best D available.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Yeah, you're right. And I don't think you'll get anyone remotely close to those guys offensively at this point in the draft without giving up a lot elsewhere. We still needed a top pairing D who could move the puck and play well in his own end, and Ross fits that, while being arguably the best D available.

Yeah, there's a reason Ross is in the 180s and Cleghorn in the 40-50s

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

Yeah, you're right. And I don't think you'll get anyone remotely close to those guys offensively at this point in the draft without giving up a lot elsewhere. We still needed a top pairing D who could move the puck and play well in his own end, and Ross fits that, while being arguably the best D available.

He's definitely not a top pair defenseman at 25 teams..

 

[jarek]

Yeah, there's a reason Ross is in the 180s and Cleghorn in the 40-50s

Indeed!

He's definitely not a top pair defenseman at 25 teams..

He is on our team!

 

[ResilientBeast]

He's definitely not a top pair defenseman at 25 teams..

Look at that top 6 though

As long as the rest of his D are at least good for their spot on the depth chart jarek has built an interesting squad ignoring common draft conventions.

 

[jarek]

Look at that top 6 though

As long as the rest of his D are at least good for their spot on the depth chart jarek has built an interesting squad ignoring common draft conventions.

And I think the HOH list not having Ross underrates him a bit because I think he would have made it if done a few years later. The vast majority of the information pulled up about Ross came after the HOH list was completed.

He's probably a top-60 defenseman.

Now I'm not going to go around parading he was some kind of steal or anything, but I think he's at least as good as some of the recently taken defensemen.

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

I'll pick C/LW Marty Barry. Barry is top-40 in 7 year VsX score as of 2013. His balanced scoring, defensive play, and speed will be a good compliment to Cook, and Kennedy.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

Look at that top 6 though

As long as the rest of his D are at least good for their spot on the depth chart jarek has built an interesting squad ignoring common draft conventions.

I don't think I see any sepeartion between teams at this point. None.

 

[jarek]

I'll pick C/LW Marty Barry. Barry is top-40 in 7 year VsX score as of 2013. His balanced scoring, defensive play, and speed will be a good compliment to Cook, and Kennedy.

Very nice choice there. Or at least it would be if he wasn't already taken.

I have PM'd Sprague to let him know about this.

I don't think I see any sepeartion between teams at this point. None.

For the most part I agree. The HOH lists, past draft lists, etc. have done a *lot* to create parity in this thing.

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

For the most part I agree. The HOH lists, past draft lists, etc. have done a *lot* to create parity in this thing.

This draft badly needs new blood and a larger league than 25-26 teams. I dont think i've even seen a bad pick in nearly 200 picks now...extreme party like this just sucks.

 

[Dreakmur]

And I think the HOH list not having Ross underrates him a bit because I think he would have made it if done a few years later. The vast majority of the information pulled up about Ross came after the HOH list was completed.

He's probably a top-60 defenseman.

Now I'm not going to go around parading he was some kind of steal or anything, but I think he's at least as good as some of the recently taken defensemen.

Guys like Art Ross get over-rated because not enough people challenge players. I think you've got a lot of work to do to show why he's a top-60 defenseman. Based on the currently put together information, I'd be hard-pressed to call him a lock for the top-100.

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

I'll pick LW, Vladimir Krutov. Don't know if he's gonna be on the first or second line yet.

 

[jarek]

This draft badly needs new blood and a larger league than 25-26 teams. I dont think i've even seen a bad pick in nearly 200 picks now...extreme party like this just sucks.

I'm not sure you'd achieve less parity by bringing in new GMs. The fact remains that the past draft lists and HOH lists are all readily available.

I think the parity within the first 250 or so picks is here to stay. The 5-6 picks for each team after that point will likely determine the champion.

 

[rmartin65]

This draft badly needs new blood and a larger league than 25-26 teams. I dont think i've even seen a bad pick in nearly 200 picks now...extreme party like this just sucks.

I agree to the new blood/larger league thing... But I dont see parity as a bad thing. It is now about who creates the best team, not just who gets the best players because bad picks were made.

It should make the playoffs more exciting as well (more debate to try to prove why your side should win).

 

[ResilientBeast]

I agree to the new blood/larger league thing... But I dont see parity as a bad thing. It is now about who creates the best team, not just who gets the best players because bad picks were made.

It should make the playoffs more exciting as well (more debate to try to prove why your side should win).

Agree on that last part, and with the seedings hidden it'll be interesting to see how the votes go

 

[jarek]

Guys like Art Ross get over-rated because not enough people challenge players. I think you've got a lot of work to do to show why he's a top-60 defenseman. Based on the currently put together information, I'd be hard-pressed to call him a lock for the top-100.

Well that's bogus and you know it. There's plenty of information available in the 3 currently available bios to make a sound decision on the matter.

Oh well, guess opinions will vary on these early era guys.

I'll pick LW, Vladimir Krutov. Don't know if he's gonna be on the first or second line yet.

I would have taken him instead if I didn't take Ross.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Foyston and Krutov last year made Rob Scuderi's team winner. Two great picks

 

[Sprague Cleghorn]

Plan A was to take Foyston. Plan B was to take Noble. Both were taken way earlier than where they usually went, so I was forced to move on to plan C, Krutov.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Plan A was to take Foyston. Plan B was to take Noble. Both were taken way earlier than where they usually went, so I was forced to move on to plan C, Krutov.

Krutov has a stigma around with the whole PED speculation. Totally undeserved IMO

 

[jarek]

Krutov has a stigma around with the whole PED speculation. Totally undeserved IMO

That stigma was eliminated last year, no? Sturm had apparently contacted the guy who started those allegations in the first place, and if memory serves, he admitted to the allegations being completely made up.

 

[ResilientBeast]

That stigma was eliminated last year, no? Sturm had apparently contacted the guy who started those allegations in the first place, and if memory serves, he admitted to the allegations being completely made up.

But even then he slid way further than a player of his stature deserved

 

[jarek]

But even then he slid way further than a player of his stature deserved

Is 191 too low for him? Probably.

Not sure what makes a guy like Robitaille any better than him, for example.

Man I should have taken him, but I think that would have been ATD suicide.

 

[Dreakmur]

Well that's bogus and you know it. There's plenty of information available in the 3 currently available bios to make a sound decision on the matter.

There are quotes in those bios, many of which don't contain any useful information.

Go through them, cut out the fluff, and see what valuable information is left.