Prospect Info: At 16th Overall the Rangers Select Brennan Othmann

[nyr2k2]

*WHL

Of course in Lafrenière's case that wasn't possible because his league (QMJHL) was up and running. Even if we wanted to, it wasn't even an option. This is probably the first time ever that CHL-NHL agreement has hindered us.

IIRC with Marc Staal, the team didn't really want to send him back to the OHL but also decided not to keep him in the NHL, so their hand was forced there, too.

I feel like Nigel Dawes was another but I don't remember that one as clearly.

 

[broadwayblue]

How's this Othmann kid doing? He still a bust?

 

[Thirty One]

IIRC with Marc Staal, the team didn't really want to send him back to the OHL but also decided not to keep him in the NHL, so their hand was forced there, too.

I feel like Nigel Dawes was another but I don't remember that one as clearly.

Think Dan Blackburn would have gotten some run in the AHL if that was possible. They sent him down for conditioning stints before the NHL got stingy about conditioning stints for junior-aged players.

Duclair is another one where I feel like the AHL would have been the preferred option.

 

[Thirty One]

How's this Othmann kid doing? He still a bust?

He is, unfortunately, still a winger.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

IIRC with Marc Staal, the team didn't really want to send him back to the OHL but also decided not to keep him in the NHL, so their hand was forced there, too.

I feel like Nigel Dawes was another but I don't remember that one as clearly.

Yes, Staal was 2 weeks away from eligibility in his D+2 year being born Jan 13th. Forgot about him.

 

[smoneil]

Except laf hasn’t played any ahl games. Schneider played in the ahl when the ohl was shut down.

I'm aware of this (Laf never playing in the AHL). My point was that, if they made exceptions to that rule for guys who played in the AHL last season, it would seem logical that the same exemption would be available to guys who spent the entirety of last season in the NHL.

 

[SA16]

With the teams history of developing forwards should we look to trade him now before he stagnates at the NHL level?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'm aware of this (Laf never playing in the AHL). My point was that, if they made exceptions to that rule for guys who played in the AHL last season, it would seem logical that the same exemption would be available to guys who spent the entirety of last season in the NHL.

Are you talking about this season? Because Lafrenière is AHL eligible this season. Last season the AHL was never an option for him because his league wasn't delayed/cancelled.

 

[smoneil]

Are you talking about this season? Because Lafrenière is AHL eligible this season. Last season the AHL was never an option for him because his league wasn't delayed/cancelled.

Yes, I'm talking about this season. Though I would have sent him back to the Q last season, as it was clear he needed minutes that he wasn't going to get at the NHL level. I would 100% send him down to the AHL right now for a ~20 game stretch of top line play.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yes, I'm talking about this season. Though I would have sent him back to the Q last season, as it was clear he needed minutes that he wasn't going to get at the NHL level. I would 100% send him down to the AHL right now for a ~20 game stretch of top line play.

Okay, just for clarification:

Braden Schneider is AHL eligible based on his age, not him having played in the AHL last season. That treshold would be 20 games which none of our prospects hit unfortunately.

But any prospect who turns 20 before Dec 31st, is AHL eligible that season. As such, a kid like Ryder Korczak is AHL eligible next season, while Brennan Othmann isn't.

Lafrenière, like Schneider, turned 20 before Dec 31st so he's eligible based on his age.

 

[jaywills1020]

Any reason Othmann isn’t playing in the wjc? I’m not up to date on all of the rules so take it easy on me.

 

[Thirty One]

Any reason Othmann isn’t playing in the wjc? I’m not up to date on all of the rules so take it easy on me.

He's eligible, they are just loaded on forwards.

 

[smoneil]

Okay, just for clarification:

Braden Schneider is AHL eligible based on his age, not him having played in the AHL last season. That treshold would be 20 games which none of our prospects hit unfortunately.

But any prospect who turns 20 before Dec 31st, is AHL eligible that season. As such, a kid like Ryder Korczak is AHL eligible next season, while Brennan Othmann isn't.

Lafrenière, like Schneider, turned 20 before Dec 31st so he's eligible based on his age.

Gotcha. Thanks for the info. I thought Schneider was in because of games (and that Cuylle just missed). Like I said, if Othmann shows well in camp, I'd give him his 9 games--more if he's thriving--but wouldn't hesitate to send him back to juniors ala Draisaitl if he's not getting the minutes he needs with the main team.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Gotcha. Thanks for the info. I thought Schneider was in because of games (and that Cuylle just missed). Like I said, if Othmann shows well in camp, I'd give him his 9 games--more if he's thriving--but wouldn't hesitate to send him back to juniors ala Draisaitl if he's not getting the minutes he needs with the main team.

Yeah, I prefer them doing a better job than Edmonton did with Draisaitl because they had him on the team for more than 41 games (despite not playing more than 9 games) resulting in that season counting as an accrued season bringing him closer to UFA eligibility

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

With the teams history of developing forwards should we look to trade him now before he stagnates at the NHL level?

"A joke, a story with a humorous ending" -Captain Spock, 2286

 

[Miamipuck]

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[egelband]

Trouba is 100% more talented then mayfield. They both focus on defense 1st and they are both physical and can throw big hits. That’s pretty much where the similarities stop.
Trouba is much better with the puck. He’s a better passer, a bigger threat to join the rush on offense, and Trouba also has a better shot.
Overall he’s just more talented in knots every facet of the game.
Add in the fact that he’s become an important mentor/leader and is instrumental in helping both Miller and fox. He’s basically like their security blanket.
Trouba takes a ton of hard minutes so Fox doesn’t get gassed or injured from being overplayed.
And miller has leaned on Trouba heavily since he’s come up and they were paired together.
Trouba has bailed him out a lot, ( less this season). And has depended on Trouba for help in most likely every facet of defensive play.
If Trouba wasn’t millers partner, there a good chance he doesn’t last a whole year with NYR without being sent down. He’s been critical for his development. Miller playing a full first season was very important to his development. It’s healed him weather the storm and get more comfortable at this level. He’s probably not the player he is right now if he’s sent to hartford mid-season last year,, Any 2nd grader could see that plain as daylight.
Man you have been salty about Trouba from day 1, it’s probably killing you that since we traded for him, all he’s done has gotten better and become a big part of the team on and off the ice.
You would probably still talk the same nonsense if he was making 6.5-7 mill per year.
As far as overpaid players go, Trouba is hardly the most egregious.
I wager he’s at least a ranger for 2 more seasons after this when his NMC changes. It’s possible he could waive and be traded prior, but Drury/Gallant/ and the rest of the fan base and free world, except for a select few realize how important Trouba is and how he’s going to be tough to replace as 2 RD.
Thinking Schneider is going to get called up at 21-22 and walk right in the spot vacated by Trouba and play as good or better is a giant mistake. It’s also very naive.
That’s why there are people that understand The importance of breaking Schneider in on 3rd pair while Fox and Trouba are still top 2 RD.
It insulates Schneider for a bit with easier match ups and minutes and he gets to watch the guy he’s going to eventually take over for a lot. He’ll see the things he’s expected to do once he steps in to fill that role...
Schneider is/will defiantly be ready for NHL 3rd pair duty by the start of next season, but expecting him to come up and stick him as top 4 D in Trouba’s place and trade Trouba because of cap is setting Schneider up to fail. It’s just not realistic or smart.

Totally agree. Trouba barring injury is a Ranger for a while and really a critical player. A very shrewd addition by Gorton.

 

[jay from jersey]

Re: the bold--Based on how they handled the Henrik situation and the Buch situation, I really doubt that they take the "aw f*** it we'll worry about it later" approach with the salary cap. They have been really careful about, and proactive about, cap issues in recent years. Plus, TBL just offered a crash course on what can happen to teams who assume that one of their NMC players will be sure to waive. If not for the Kucherov issue AND the shortened season, they would have been screwed and had to move several guys they didn't want to move.

As for the second post, I don't dislike Gallant at all. I want to be clear about that from the start. He's using the best players he has at his disposal to win now. But in terms of getting minutes to young players? He's as bad as Quinn was. He's also burying guys on one line, and Laf in particular is playing nearly a minute less per game than he did last season, and has a lower production rate to go with it. If a kid isn't going to be a staple in the top 6 and one of the power play units, then the kid would be best served by getting top line minutes at a lower level. If Othmann impresses, give him his 9 games and then send him back down. And while they are at it, they should send Laf down to Hartford for a 15-20 game stretch.

Gallant and Quinn aren’t really comparable in burying young guys imo.
LaF saw his time go down a bit because mainly for the first 16-17 games, he had very low production.
To open the season, LaF was also up with Zibby and Kreids for a bit before bouncing around and settling back in next to chytil.
I also do think Gallant is crazy about the chemistry of that LaF-Chytil-Gauthier line.
I know the numbers may say LaF and chytil generate offense together, but they don’t produce. Watching them as a unit is more bad the. Good imo.
I assume that along with the injuries is a big part of chytil getting a scratch game and now Gallant moving him to wing to try and get him going a bit.
Our 3rd line goes together like lamb and Tuna fish opposed to peanut butter and jelly.
Hopefully by years end, strome is gone and laf takes his spot over on the PP.
Getting him going offensively and keeping his feet moving are going to be critical for him. Getting some pp points, some easy goals on rebounds, Or simple passes that get him points is a huge boost for his confidence.
Gallant also didn’t demote kakko when he made mistakes like Quinn did.
He stuck with him in the top 6 despite 0 production in the first 10 games.
Kakko mentioned in his last interview it’s like night and day with how Gallant is with the players compared to Quinn. He noted how nice it feels to have th coaches trust and not be benched for trying something creative to try and generate some offense.
Chytil has said similar things as well in terms of how Gallant/Quinn handle things.
Gallant also protects his young guys in the press conferences after the games as well.
A giant thing for me is to get laffy involved on the 1PP. I think that’s going to be immense for his confidence to get some easy points from passing to Fox/Panarin. It will also keep his feet moving, keep him in a shoot first mentality, and add more crucial ice time for him.
It’s one of the biggest reasons I don’t want strome to be resigned. LaF needs to take that spot full time next kne TV
Just like the PP being a catalyst for kakko while bread is out, I Suspect if having a similar affect on laffy as well.
Ice time may look similar for some young guys atm, but the overall feeling between the coach and players is miles apart in terms of trust etc.
That’s a huge part of the battle. Winning games has also massively improved.
I also think 15-20 games in the A wouldn’t hurt him, but that’s doubtful they’d ever send him down.
Right not laf needs to work on his footwork at practice and this offseason.
For the rest of the year, he’s got to make it a point to shoot the puck more every game and keep his feet moving as much as he can around the net.
He’ll get more point if he does just those 2 things.
Gallant also like to give the line that’s playing the best that given night, more ice time. Def makes sense to ride the hot hand.
His ice time will go up when he starts producing/ getting multiple quality chances, etc...
But like I said, I doubt he like the chemistry between those 3 currently. LaF on 2PP, and no PK is a big reason for the ice time numbers.
In the future, I believe getting him more involved in special teams is crucial for his development.

 

[Barnaby]

Gallant isn't burying kids in the same manner that quinn was though.
I dislike how little ice time laf is getting too, but its different. Laf is being asked to do 3 things, play hard, play defense, and then make offensive plays. If you get creative, and lose the puck, make sure you're still doing 1/2 and you keep getting your ice time.
When you stop doing 1/2 and cant do 3, then you lose ice time.
Quinn told his kids, do 1/2 and then if you ever lose the puck you lose your ice time. Quinn stiffled offensive creativity, Gallant says play within the system, but do what you're good at. And theres a huge gap between those two concepts.
Its why howden was quinn's golden boy, he never did anything offensively creative, but did 1/2 with "effort".

From what we've also been hearing, Gallant explains to a kid why they're being sat, whereas Quinn the kid had to figure it out himself. Asking a 19 year old to diagnose their own play without some level of instruction is absolutely infuriating. Its like being in an argument and being told "you know why im angry"

There’s an awful lot of speculation here being stated as fact. Meanwhile Laf is playing on the same line, getting less ice time, and producing less.

I certainly prefer Gallant to Quinn but this is all assumption and projection.

 

[smoneil]

Gallant and Quinn aren’t really comparable in burying young guys imo.
LaF saw his time go down a bit because mainly for the first 16-17 games, he had very low production.
To open the season, LaF was also up with Zibby and Kreids for a bit before bouncing around and settling back in next to chytil.
I also do think Gallant is crazy about the chemistry of that LaF-Chytil-Gauthier line.
I know the numbers may say LaF and chytil generate offense together, but they don’t produce. Watching them as a unit is more bad the. Good imo.
I assume that along with the injuries is a big part of chytil getting a scratch game and now Gallant moving him to wing to try and get him going a bit.
Our 3rd line goes together like lamb and Tuna fish opposed to peanut butter and jelly.
Hopefully by years end, strome is gone and laf takes his spot over on the PP.
Getting him going offensively and keeping his feet moving are going to be critical for him. Getting some pp points, some easy goals on rebounds, Or simple passes that get him points is a huge boost for his confidence.
Gallant also didn’t demote kakko when he made mistakes like Quinn did.
He stuck with him in the top 6 despite 0 production in the first 10 games.
Kakko mentioned in his last interview it’s like night and day with how Gallant is with the players compared to Quinn. He noted how nice it feels to have th coaches trust and not be benched for trying something creative to try and generate some offense.
Chytil has said similar things as well in terms of how Gallant/Quinn handle things.
Gallant also protects his young guys in the press conferences after the games as well.
A giant thing for me is to get laffy involved on the 1PP. I think that’s going to be immense for his confidence to get some easy points from passing to Fox/Panarin. It will also keep his feet moving, keep him in a shoot first mentality, and add more crucial ice time for him.
It’s one of the biggest reasons I don’t want strome to be resigned. LaF needs to take that spot full time next kne TV
Just like the PP being a catalyst for kakko while bread is out, I Suspect if having a similar affect on laffy as well.
Ice time may look similar for some young guys atm, but the overall feeling between the coach and players is miles apart in terms of trust etc.
That’s a huge part of the battle. Winning games has also massively improved.
I also think 15-20 games in the A wouldn’t hurt him, but that’s doubtful they’d ever send him down.
Right not laf needs to work on his footwork at practice and this offseason.
For the rest of the year, he’s got to make it a point to shoot the puck more every game and keep his feet moving as much as he can around the net.
He’ll get more point if he does just those 2 things.
Gallant also like to give the line that’s playing the best that given night, more ice time. Def makes sense to ride the hot hand.
His ice time will go up when he starts producing/ getting multiple quality chances, etc...
But like I said, I doubt he like the chemistry between those 3 currently. LaF on 2PP, and no PK is a big reason for the ice time numbers.
In the future, I believe getting him more involved in special teams is crucial for his development.

I agree with a lot of this, though it's a bit harder to bury Kakko considering he's the only RW on the roster with even top six potential. Quinn had Buch, so it was easier for him to banish KK. I agree that Laf and Chytil don't particularly mesh well together. It was always Chytil and Kakko who seemed to have the chemistry, but with ONE RW on the roster, you already have three lines that would be better by his addition. I'd love to see a line with Kreider, Chytiil, and Kakko (the latter two create possession and space, and Kreids is the king of the garbage goal). But again, who plays RW on the other two lines in that case?

It's clear that they don't want to send Laf to the AHL, but playing him 13 minutes a game is going to be disastrous for his development. There's a difference between doing things in practice/the offseason and doing those things in a game. He needs to not just do those things, but make them a habit; a reflex. That's never going to happen in the garbage minutes he gets, and that's not even something you can blame on the coach. He has Kreider and Bread on that LW and a mandate to win. A stint in the AHL would be the best thing in the world for Laf, because the only way he gets those minutes in the NHL is to bump Kreider down. And the only way for him to do that is to get the minutes to develop.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n218lt-FZA0

Here's some tape from this season. This month actually.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Othmann ranked as the 12th best prospect by Button:

Blueline Power: Sabres' D-Man tops Button's annual top prospects list - TSN.ca

Craig Button has seen the future of the NHL and it’s in 3D. TSN’s Director of Scouting has defencemen 1-2-3 on his 2022 list of the Top 50 NHL-affiliated Prospects: No. 1 Owen Power of Buffalo, No. 2 Jake Sanderson of Ottawa, and No. 3 Simon Edvinsson of Detroit.

www.tsn.ca

What a great pick by Drury and company.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Othmann ranked as the 12th best prospect by Button:

Blueline Power: Sabres' D-Man tops Button's annual top prospects list - TSN.ca

Craig Button has seen the future of the NHL and it’s in 3D. TSN’s Director of Scouting has defencemen 1-2-3 on his 2022 list of the Top 50 NHL-affiliated Prospects: No. 1 Owen Power of Buffalo, No. 2 Jake Sanderson of Ottawa, and No. 3 Simon Edvinsson of Detroit.

www.tsn.ca

Not #1 like a certain someone was , but that will do.

 

[Irishguy42]

Othmann ranked as the 12th best prospect by Button:

Blueline Power: Sabres' D-Man tops Button's annual top prospects list - TSN.ca

Craig Button has seen the future of the NHL and it’s in 3D. TSN’s Director of Scouting has defencemen 1-2-3 on his 2022 list of the Top 50 NHL-affiliated Prospects: No. 1 Owen Power of Buffalo, No. 2 Jake Sanderson of Ottawa, and No. 3 Simon Edvinsson of Detroit.

www.tsn.ca

What a great pick by Drury and company.

Pretty not good list by Button, ngl.

I like Othmann, but there are players on this list that are better than him.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Pretty not good list by Button, ngl.

I like Othmann, but there are players on this list that are better than him.

Button's ranking is always very favouring major juniors players very heavily. Proximity bias.